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Jubilee 6:24 And Noah ordained them for himself as feasts for the generations for ever, so that they have become thereby a memorial unto him. 25 And on the new moon of the first month he was bidden to make for himself an ark, and on that (day) the earth became dry and he opened (the ark) and saw the earth. 26 And on the new moon of the fourth month the mouths of the depths of the abyss beneath were closed. And on the new moon of the seventh month all the mouths of the abysses of the earth were opened, and the waters began to descend into them. 27 And on the new moon of the tenth month the tops of the mountains were seen, and Noah was glad. 28 And on this account he ordained them for himself as feasts for a memorial for ever, and thus are they ordained. 29 And they placed them on the heavenly tablets, each had thirteen weeks; from one to another (passed) their memorial, from the first to the second, and from the second to the third, and from the third to the fourth. 30 And all the days of the commandment will be two and fifty weeks of days, and (these will make) the entire year complete. Thus it is engraven and ordained on the heavenly tablets. 31 And there is no neglecting (this commandment) for a single year or from year to year. 32 And command thou the children of Israel that they observe the years according to this reckoning- three hundred and sixty-four days, and (these) will constitute a complete year, and they will not disturb its time from its days and from its feasts; for everything will fall out in them according to their testimony, and they will not leave out any day nor disturb any feasts. 33 But if they do neglect and do not observe them according to His commandment, then they will disturb all their seasons and the years will be dislodged from this (order), [and they will disturb the seasons and the years will be dislodged] and they will neglect their ordinances. 34 And all the children of Israel will forget and will not find the path of the years, and will forget the new moons, and seasons, and sabbaths and they will go wrong as to all the order of the years. 35 For I know and from henceforth will I declare it unto thee, and it is not of my own devising; for the book (lies) written before me, and on the heavenly tablets the division of days is ordained, lest they forget the feasts of the covenant and walk according to the feasts of the Gentiles after their error and after their ignorance. 36 For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon -how (it) disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon. 37 For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an abominable (day) the day of testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the holy with the unclean, and the unclean day with the holy; for they will go wrong as to the months and sabbaths and feasts and jubilees. 38 For this reason I command and testify to thee that thou mayst testify to them; for after thy death thy children will disturb (them), so that they will not make the year three hundred and sixty-four days only, and for this reason they will go wrong as to the new moons and seasons and sabbaths and festivals, and they will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh.


Based on this statement made in Jubilees, is there any other evidence that indicated that the current Hebrew Calendar has been messed with?

Alfred Edersheim in his book "The Temple" stated in Ch 10 on pg 204 that "after their return from exile, the Jews dated their years according to the Selcidic era."
 

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For example, let's look at the first temple destruction. According to Seder Olam it was 3338 [423 BC] which historians place at 587 BC. There is a reason for this. The prophecy of Jeremiah which Daniel read and received the answer in prophecy hinge from this. If you use Seder Olam date, you will end up at the time of Simon Bar Kokhba, the revolutionary Sanhedrin appoint Messiah of his day.

587-423 = 164 year difference.

Today is 5775 according to the Jewish calendar and add 164 would equals 5939. How close to the 11th hour is that?
 
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Based on this statement made in Jubilees, is there any other evidence that indicated that the current Hebrew Calendar has been messed with?

Yep. Plenty.

Alfred Edersheim in his book "The Temple" stated in Ch 10 on pg 204 that "after their return from exile, the Jews dated their years according to the Selcidic era."

Yep, and I reckon he was right. But there's been changes since too.
 
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The Hillel calendar is the only we have. Anything else is chaos, disorganization, utter confusion. God is not the author of confusion. So I think the best way is to follow the Jewish calendar as it stands. You can keep it or not keep it, or keep it to some extent, but to attempt to replace it with another calendar is fundamentally a problem and a disruption that leads to nothing good.
 
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Well then it doesn't really matter. But as a matter of theory, your answers might be found here:
http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Creation-Calendar

The conclusion of the article, written in 2010, said:
"We are currently in the creation year 5934 AM (2010/2011 CE), which is 5771 on the Jewish calendar."

So this certainly fits with your chronology above. I personally hold by this chronology. But it doesn't really affect my daily life.
 
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It is the years, not the months, feasts, or days of the weeks that we are discussing on this thread.

Sorry. Does that include the fact that the original calendar was 360 days instead of almost 365 as today? The fact that Jubilee says a year is 364 days proves it is much more recent than it seems to be. The slowing of our solar year happened sometime after the flood, most likely the result of it.

The facts that it puts the 364 day calender in Noah's day and talks about the children of Israel, which were still hundreds of years from beginning, tell me this is not a reliable script for anything.
 
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Since the return to Israel, the Hillel calender is no longer needed. The moon can be sighted from Jerusalem and the barley checked for the beginning of months and the year.

So when and how you expect or recommend the change-over (from one calendar to another) to occur ?

It is certainly not historically unprecedented, but it is still a big thing.
 
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The Hillel calendar is the only we have. Anything else is chaos, disorganization, utter confusion. God is not the author of confusion. So I think the best way is to follow the Jewish calendar as it stands. You can keep it or not keep it, or keep it to some extent, but to attempt to replace it with another calendar is fundamentally a problem and a disruption that leads to nothing good.

Interesting. God is not the author of confusion, so all we have to do is follow this man's calendar and we won't be confused. I like it. Works for me. But uniformity could happen with any calendar. Works fine with the secular calendar, come to think of it. Church calendar works too. Muslims have theirs, and it works for them. Remember authority only works with assent.

I say don't change the current Jewish calendar for the exact same reason. It works. It's not in line with the calendar of Moses, we know that. But obviously God doesn't mind, and He's in charge anyway.
 
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I think he uses means to communicate that he thinks we will pick up on.
If the calendar is hidden and known to only a few hundred people, I don't think God will use it.
I think he uses a language and a calendar and so on that we actually have access to.
Otherwise it were not communication.
 
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I think God probably included Hillel's calendar in his plan for a reason. I don't think we should create a new calendar, but when Yeshua returns, chances are we will return to the original calendar. I think the fact that the true year we are in is not known to us is part of the whole "time of the gentiles" thing, the time of confusion.

God isn't the author of a stupid or self-contradictory ideology, is what "God is not the author of confusion" means to me. But clearly confusion exists in the world.
 
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shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws

Interesting that you mention, I was just studying that verse.

Can't be referring to Hillel and Hillel's calendar though.
Hillel 2 is the antichrist ?
And wearing out saints ?
His calendar didn't really change times and laws in any dramatic way, it was an utterly necessary thing, and probably from God. There really is no other Jewish calendar that we can keep. To me, it is clear the entity referred to in that verse you quoted is an end-time antichrist figure, not a Rabbi who lived over a thousand years ago.
 
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No I wasn't referring to Hillel, but when I read the posts about all these calendars and also from Jubilees, it seems that many have changed the times and if the times change does this change the laws attached to them?

Just something to think about, not to blame any particular. But Daniel wrote this you say speaking of the anti-christ but would this be an end time change or has it been happening over the centuries and millennia so that when he does it it will look like it is straightening out things and will not be realized by those not watching and studying carefully?
 
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