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Frogster · May 23, 2015

Open Heart said:
Even though the only two scholarly sources I've been able to find both say it does? Let's see what you can find. Do you have anything besides your own opinion to back up what you are saying?

ok, fine, here is jews from a scholar. I said, it could be Acts 8, so does he, but in any event, it was the Jews.

MacLaren's Expositions
1 PeterSOJOURNERS OF THE DISPERSION1 Peter 1:1The words rendered ‘strangers scattered’ are literally ‘sojourners of the Dispersion,’ and are so rendered in the Revised Version. The Dispersion was the recognised name for the Jews dwelling in Gentile countries; as, for instance,

Benson Commentary
1 Peter 1:1. Peter, &c., to the strangers — Or sojourners, as παρεπιδημοις more properly signifies; that is, to the Jewish or Gentile Christians sojourning on earth: see on 1 Chronicles 29:15; Psalm 39:12; Hebrews 11:13. Scattered — Διασπορας, of the dispersion, or dispersed, partly, probably, by the persecution mentioned Acts 8:1; or the expression may merely signify, that they lived at a distance from each other, being scattered through the widely-extended regions here mentioned; through Pontus, &c. — He names these five provinces in the order wherein they occurred to him, writing from the east. All these countries lie in the Lesser Asia. The Asia here distinguished from other provinces, is that which was usually called the Proconsular Asia, being a Roman province.

LOOk at what James says, and that epistle was to jews...

1 James, a servanta of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,

To the twelve tribes in the Dispersion:

Greetings.

Open Heart · May 23, 2015

I said:

Chapter and verse where Peter addresses this.

You said:

Frogster said:
look, if you don't konw that peter was written later than Acts 21, forget it!

1 Peter was written in the mid 60's. Acts 21 was about 56, ten years earlier.

Do you see how instead of answering my question you wrote a bunch of stuff that had no relationship to my quote? Do you know how frustrating it is for me when you divert like that? Can we please at least try to speak rationally, point for point?

You made the claim that Peter addressed the "fact" that the Jews never returned to Jerusalem. Please give me the Chapter and verse from 1 Peter that supports your position. Thanks.

BTW, scholars can't agree when these respective books were written, so don't base your argument that 1 Peter was written before or after or any such thing.

Frogster · May 23, 2015

LOOk at what James says, and that epistle was to Jews...

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,

To the twelve tribes in the Dispersion:

Greetings.

The frog proved the point.

Frogster · May 23, 2015

Open Heart said:
I said:
You said:
Do you see how instead of answering my question you wrote a bunch of stuff that had no relationship to my quote? Do you know how frustrating it is for me when you divert like that? Can we please at least try to speak rationally, point for point?

I did answer, peter was written way after Acts 21, that nullified your point.

Frogster · May 23, 2015

Frogster said:
ok, what are you talking about in 18:23?

23 After spending some time there, he departed and went from one place to the next through the region of Galatia and Phrygia, strengthening all the disciples

Open Heart · May 23, 2015

Frogster said:
ok, fine, here is jews from a scholar. I said, it could be Acts 8, so does he, but in any event, it was the Jews.

MacLaren's Expositions
1 PeterSOJOURNERS OF THE DISPERSION1 Peter 1:1The words rendered ‘strangers scattered’ are literally ‘sojourners of the Dispersion,’ and are so rendered in the Revised Version. The Dispersion was the recognised name for the Jews dwelling in Gentile countries; as, for instance,

Good you found ONE. That means, since the scholars disagree, I am free to weigh what they say and choose whom I find most credible. I find that the scholars I've referred you to make the most sense, since the churches in question were overwhelmingly Gentile.

Benson Commentary
1 Peter 1:1. Peter, &c., to the strangers — Or sojourners, as παρεπιδημοις more properly signifies; that is, to the Jewish or Gentile Christians sojourning on earth:

This one agrees with my scholars.

LOOk at what James says, and that epistle was to jews...

Yes, James addressed Jewish Christians, because it was written at a time before there were Gentile churches. But we are not discussing the book of James, so why are you bringing it up? Apples and Oranges....

Open Heart · May 23, 2015

Frogster said:
LOOk at what James says, and that epistle was to Jews...

Are you repeating yourself to be deliberately annoying or what?

Open Heart · May 23, 2015

Frogster said:
I did answer, peter was written way after Acts 21, that nullified your point.

No, I'm afraid it didn't. But you had fun diverting again instead of directly addressing my point.

Frogster · May 23, 2015

oh come on, because James used the dispersion word, and it was about Jews, not gentiles.

No, you made like they all returned in Acts 21, but 10 years later, wasn't peter talking to those dispersed who were not returned? You tried to make like they all returned, to make like Peter was not talking to about Jews, but he was.

When there is a 10 year time span from Acts 21, until 1 peter, few will argue that, do your point is moot.

Frogster · May 23, 2015

Open Heart said:
Good you found ONE. That means, since the scholars disagree, I am free to weigh what they say and choose whom I find most credible. I find that the scholars I've referred you to make the most sense, since the churches in question were overwhelmingly Gentile.

This one agrees with my scholars.

Yes, James addressed Jewish Christians, because it was written at a time before there were Gentile churches. But we are not discussing the book of James, so why are you bringing it up? Apples and Oranges....

as far as benson, he talks about Acts 8, news flash, there were no gentiles in the church then! And he does mention Jews.

Benson Commentary
1 Peter 1:1
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
1 Peter 1:1. Peter, &c., to the strangers — Or sojourners, as παρεπιδημοις more properly signifies; that is, to the Jewish or Gentile Christians sojourning on earth: see on 1 Chronicles 29:15; Psalm 39:12; Hebrews 11:13. Scattered — Διασπορας, of the dispersion, or dispersed, partly, probably, by the persecution mentioned Acts 8:1; or the expression may merely signify, that they lived at a distance from each other, being scattered through the widely-extended regions here mentioned; through Pontus, &c. — He names these five provinces in the order wherein they occurred to him, writing from the east. All these countries lie in the Lesser Asia. The Asia here distinguished from other provinces, is that which was usually called the Proconsular Asia, being a Roman province.

Frogster · May 23, 2015

Open Heart said:
Good you found ONE. That means, since the scholars disagree, I am free to weigh what they say and choose whom I find most credible. I find that the scholars I've referred you to make the most sense, since the churches in question were overwhelmingly Gentile.

This one agrees with my scholars.

Yes, James addressed Jewish Christians, because it was written at a time before there were Gentile churches. But we are not discussing the book of James, so why are you bringing it up? Apples and Oranges....

Pulpit Commentary
to the elect sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, etc. "The dispersion" (διασπορά) was the recognized term (comp. James 1:1; John 7:35; 2 Macc. 1:27) for the Jews who were scattered over Gentile countries. The gospel of the circumcision was committed unto Peter (Galatians 2:7);

Frogster · May 23, 2015

Open Heart said:
Are you repeating yourself to be deliberately annoying or what?

so we got the diaspora Jews, we got the scattered Jews of Acts 8, and 18, then we got James saying dispersion to Jews, yet...somehow, 1 Peter 1, is not about Jews when he says dispersion?

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

1 James, a servanta of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
To the twelve tribes in the Dispersion:
Greetings.

Open Heart · May 24, 2015

Frogster said:
oh come on, because James used the dispersion word, and it was about Jews, not gentiles.

Apples and oranges. James clearly says "to the 12 tribes." Plus we must consider WHEN he was writing: at a time before there were the gentile churches. James is the first epistle.

No, you made like they all returned in Acts 21, but 10 years later, wasn't peter talking to those dispersed who were not returned? You tried to make like they all returned, to make like Peter was not talking to about Jews, but he was.

When there is a 10 year time span from Acts 21, until 1 peter, few will argue that, do your point is moot.

Again, you are making a HUGE assumption about this 10 year time span. Scholars can't even determine when these books were written.

Secondly, I fail to see its relavance.

Third, the Jews in the gentile cities were converts from the Hellenized Jews of the Diaspora who lived there already when the cities were first evangelized.

Open Heart · May 24, 2015

Frogster said:
as far as benson, he talks about Acts 8, news flash, there were no gentiles in the church then! And he does mention Jews.

I already quoted the section and highlighted the words that prove you wrong. Scroll back and look again.

Open Heart · May 24, 2015

Frogster said:
Pulpit Commentary
to the elect sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, etc. "The dispersion" (διασπορά) was the recognized term (comp. James 1:1; John 7:35; 2 Macc. 1:27) for the Jews who were scattered over Gentile countries. The gospel of the circumcision was committed unto Peter (Galatians 2:7);

You obviously didn't bother to read my awesome reply, so here it is again:

Good you found ONE. That means, since the scholars disagree, I am free to weigh what they say and choose whom I find most credible. I find that the scholars I've referred you to make the most sense, since the churches in question were overwhelmingly Gentile.

Open Heart · May 24, 2015

Frogster said:
so we got the diaspora Jews, we got the scattered Jews of Acts 8, and 18, then we got James saying dispersion to Jews, yet...somehow, 1 Peter 1, is not about Jews when he says dispersion?

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

1 James, a servanta of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
To the twelve tribes in the Dispersion:
Greetings.

I have replied to all of this. You are just repeating yourself again. Unless you have something new to say, the subject appears to be worn out.

Frogster · May 24, 2015

Open Heart said:
Apples and oranges. James clearly says "to the 12 tribes." Plus we must consider WHEN he was writing: at a time before there were the gentile churches. James is the first epistle.

Again, you are making a HUGE assumption about this 10 year time span. Scholars can't even determine when these books were written.

Secondly, I fail to see its relavance.

Third, the Jews in the gentile cities were converts from the Hellenized Jews of the Diaspora who lived there already when the cities were first evangelized.

but James said dispersion, to the Jews, that is a fact. Lol, check around, 1 peter was about 10 years after Acts 21. So he did not think they returned. hehehe

But the Jews are known as the dispersion, this stuff is abc Bible stuff.

Peter and James, both used the word.

Sis, there is a time to admit your pal frog is right.

Frogster · May 24, 2015

Open Heart said:
You obviously didn't bother to read my awesome reply, so here it is again:

well scholars disagree on alot, we all know that, but the dispersion thing, is really pretty clear, we got acts 8, 18, the diaspora, and peter and James using the same word, and the clincher is, James it about Jews using it, so really, sis..time to surrender! You hit a road block.

Open Heart · May 24, 2015

Frogster said:
but the dispersion thing, is really pretty clear

What is really clear to me is that these churches were overwhelmingly GENTILE.

Frogster · May 24, 2015

Open Heart said:
I already quoted the section and highlighted the words that prove you wrong. Scroll back and look again.

well, benson says acts 8, but there were just Jews then. He does say Jews also though. Some are just trying to prove that there were also gentiles in the church Peter wrote too. Again, some even think Peter wrote only to Jews, so you are in a real minority opinion

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