The true significance of the Communion
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It is well known that Luke 22:19 and 20 are later insertions. Whereas other Gospel books don't support that to be observed as a memorial. Paul and Luke were not present during this event.
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Hebrews 13:13
Galatians 2:9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Romans 16:17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
1 Corinthians 1:10Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Acts 20:6 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Acts 21:16 There went with us also certain of the disciples of Caesarea, and brought with them one Mnason of Cyprus, an old disciple, with whom we should lodge. 17 And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. 19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
I would have to say that it would be hard for Paul to preach outside of what the disciples had agreed upon so that they were all known to be speaking the same thing and having the same judgment, and preaching that one gospel.
Mark 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born. 22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. 23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it. 24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. 25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
I believe the remembrance is on what He has done for us.
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Thanks to Him as my Good Shepherd, this is my understanding of what communion is for.
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Hebrews 13:13
To remember Him of what He has done for me in having ransomed me by His death. My body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which means there is no further receiving a sacrifice for sins or to "receive" Him again since He is within me always as promised for all those that had come to & had believed in Jesus Christ.
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
John 6th chapter was never about communion, but about how we are saved. If it was really about communion, then a believer should only take communion one time and no more in declaring that faith in His promise to hunger & thirst no more "if" communion was what He was really talking about in that chapter, which He wasn't.
He told the hearers how to receive that bread of life and that was by believing in Him, and He pointed out that they did not believe in Him which was why they had not received that bread of life when they had asked Him for it.
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
In any event, communion is a reflection of our faith in Jesus Christ for what He has done for us in having bought us with a price that when we had believed in Him, we were saved.
Colossians 1:
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
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All from outsiders who were not present during the Last Supper.
The communication during those days were not what we have today.
Jesus never said to observe this as a ritual anymore.
Paul's claim is unsupported by the Gospel
Yes, but not converted to a ritual with a regular frequency!
One would not glorify Him by proclaiming His death, rather we should proclaim His resurrection and eternal life through His words and obedience.
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1. Misleading communion
It was the great dedicated and devoted work of saints and clergy of Roman Catholics that preserved many writings of apostles and disciples. They also diligently made several copies for all to refer in their service of sharing the Gospel. Without them and their work there was no question of Protestants claiming the authority of the writings! However, Catholics give more importance to the traditions, rituals and defined sacraments! We do not find much quoting of verses from Paul’s epistles in their decrees and subsequent writings of their saints. Whereas almost all theological discussions of Protestants are based very much on Paul’s writings! Paul’s epistles might not have dominated in the thinking of Catholics, but, certainly, he has left a permanent dominance in the ritual of communion that was instituted by him alone!
Paul being crafty, as admitted by him, (2 Corinthians 12:16: “But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile”), he came up with a solution for the disorderly behaviour in the notorious Corinthian church with an introduction of this ritual much against the words of the Lord! Let us read what Paul wrote in this regard:
“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, ‘Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.’ After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, ‘this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.’ For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come” (1 Corinthians 11: 23 to 26).
You see here clearly Paul telling a ‘white lie’ that the Lord had asked the apostles to repeat the Lord’s last supper as a token of ‘remembrance’ of His death! Nothing can be achieved by glorifying the death of any person for that matter! Particularly, in the case of the Lord, it is His resurrection that needs to be proclaimed boldly! Paul was not a witness to the Last Supper. Mathew who was there never mentioned about ‘remembering’ in his book of the Gospel. This was what he recorded:
“And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, ‘Take, eat; this is my body.’ And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, ‘Drink ye all of it; for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom’ ” (Matthew 26: 26 to 29).
Not only the Lord never mentioned about repeating this as a ‘remembrance’ act, but also said that He will never drink fruit of the vine until the day in Father’s kingdom.
What about John who was there at that time. He also never mentions about observing this ritual as a ‘remembrance’ of the Lord’s death. Instead he elaborated on the significance of this observance that should be made clear to all those who accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour with the following supporting verses:
“Then Jesus said unto them, ‘Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him’ ” (John 6:53 to 56).
If we referred to other writings considered as a part of apocryphal, you will find apostles breaking the bread signifying this acceptance symbolically and observed more or less immediately after baptism.
Breaking of bread indicated in the book of Acts on some occasions also informed of common communal meal on the first day of a week that was observed in Jerusalem Church with believers. As new believers were added daily in Jerusalem after the Pentecost, breaking of bread and drinking the vine was also observed symbolically in tune with the above verses of John practically every week.
We read as follows:
“And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. And all that believed were together, and had all things common; and sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved” (Acts 2: 42 to 47).
So we can see that both communal meal and communion being observed with new believers. Communion was not meant as a ritual to be observed with a regular frequency in the absence of newly baptized members. Communion was meant as a celebration of winning souls as directed by Jesus. It was not meant as a ritual with all old believers frequently!
Therefore, the ritual of communion was not established by the Lord during the Last Supper to be observed frequently to commemorate His death. The Gospel of Mark did not mention that ritual has to be observed as a token of ‘remembrance’. Gospel of Mark was basically written on behalf of Peter by Mark. Of course, Peter was a partaker during the Last Supper.
What about Luke. He was not a party in the Last Supper. This is what we see in his book of the Gospel:
“For I say unto you, ‘I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.’ And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, ‘Take this, and divide it among yourselves: For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.’ And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, ‘This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me’ (v.19). Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, ‘This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you’ (v.20)” (Luke 22:16 to 20).
Here also the Lord said that He will not eat and drink further until everything is fulfilled in the kingdom of God. Only in the verse 19, we find the word ‘remembrance’ mentioned. However, further research indicates that verses 19 and 20 were later insertions and not found in some ancient manuscripts! Additions may be the short work of biased Paul’s people later to support Paul’s verses in 1 Corinthians that have been indicated earlier! 1 Corinthians was written earlier to Luke’s Gospel so also other three books.
What was instituted on the day of Last Supper was the new covenant (testament) in blood as indicated in the verse 20 above, so also in Matthew 26:28, not communion as a ritual that needed to be observed at any desired frequency with same people over and over again! It will be meaningful if observed whenever new believers are added. That pleases God too: “Likewise, I say unto you, ‘there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth’ ” (Luke 15:10).
It is interesting to note that all kinds of different frequencies are observed by Christendom. Unfortunately, what is forgotten is the fact that Jesus fulfilled the Law and brought an end to all kinds of rituals that associated with the OT dictum. His Last Supper also happened to be last Passover for His believers. It was no longer an annual ritual or of any frequency, but of observance of seeking His communion through His words of preaching. Those who prayerfully study His words (Bread) anytime are actually observing the communion, and that should lead to a holy life (blood) with proper understanding. That is precisely, spiritually speaking, eating the bread of life and drinking of fruit of vine that lead to eternal life!
Hence, when the spirit behind the communion is not observed, one can expect all kinds of bizarre concepts and thinking based on the ritual of communion established by Paul.
Salvation Army denomination does not observe this at all at any time. Jehovah Witnesses observe this once in a year with a hint to many not to eat elements offered to them because they believe that those who partake in the elements are spurred by the spirit and will be one amongst 12000 groups indicated in the book of Revelation! Brethren Assemblies observe every week so also Catholics. Many other denominations observe once in a month along with regular Sunday service separately in the morning for convenience! Some observe in the evenings specially gathered for this purpose with teaching also. Catholics believe that the elements turn into the body and blood of Jesus mysteriously during this observance!
Brethren Assemblies have this observed at the beginning of their worship services. Many walk out after this formality ignoring the sharing of the word which is more important, and it is the one that spiritually denotes the communion and life, not mere breaking of bread! Many denominations insist on single loaf of bread and a glass of wine for sharing. Actually unleavened bread was used during Passover of the OT times and when Jesus had His Last Supper. In other places pieces of bread and several small cups of grape juice will be served to the believers where they are seated. At other places, believers kneel before the altar and get compressed piece of bread and grape juice in a small cup individually administered by a pastor. Puritans had objected to kneeling for the elements earlier several centuries ago.
What is that we can conclude from all these divergent procedure? Jesus gave the Great Commission of making disciples and baptizing them along with teaching what He had commanded the apostles during His ministry. There are three things involved in His directive, namely, reaching out, baptizing and teaching what He had said. Unfortunately, the first two is taken care of whereas the last one is ignored because it cannot be easily practiced! So the easy way out was to pick the easiest thing of participating in the formality of communion ignoring the spiritual understanding of the same as indicated in the Gospel of John quoted earlier.
Therefore, the spiritless formality of observing the communion came into the fore very soon in the early history of the churches. This was further encouraged by Paul with a ‘white lie’ of using the word ‘remembrance’ in one of his early letters when the Gospel was not fully available in written form!
Therefore, I need to reiterate that unless Paul’s thinking is supported by other books of the Bible in the NT, it is better to ignore such instructions from him. They were not meant for us but only applicable to people of that place and situation with that special problem for that time--being given room for spiritual growth in subsequent days, months or years!
Spiritual growth is not an instantaneous phenomenon! Apostles made mistakes and grew gradually in their faith and knowledge of the Saviour leaving behind their old selves, so also Paul. Paul with his previous pharisaic background and religious bent of mind offered solutions to ill reputed Corinthian church that led to religious ritual of communion! Jesus never planned on a new religion; His method was fulfilment of the ceremonial laws leading to a higher spiritual growth in thoughts and deeds. But there is always a tendency to revert back to easy religion and rituals with man-made doctrines.
Hence, a meticulous study of the scriptures clearly indicates that it was a ritual instituted by Paul to tackle the problem in notorious Corinthian Church established by him!
What is not difficult to follow: ritual of communion or abiding by the blood Covenant that is the law of Christ? Obviously, it is the communion procedure. People, naturally, settle for convenient arrangements avoiding the harder aspects, giving unnecessary importance and branding for an easy observance! Jesus never wanted this to be observed as a routine ritual!
Even Paul did not fix up a frequency for this, like, daily, weekly, monthly or yearly observance! Paul was never with Jesus in His earthly ministry, so he missed out many important tenets preached by Jesus! All the apostles grew in spiritual stature gradually. Paul still had his pharisaic mind in the beginning! He simply came up with a solution at Corinth with a ritual, influenced by his old nature with an eagerness to solve the problem based on the reports he had received!
That was not the case with the apostles. If you happened to go through the apocryphal books, such as, Acts according to Peter and Thomas, you will find that they observed the spirit of communion based on what Jesus Christ preached: "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him” (John 6:53-56).
The new believers who accepted Him as their Saviour should also believe in what He said symbolically with a spiritual sense. The communion was observed in the early Churches-- that directly involved apostles--with new believers understanding the spirit behind what the Lord had said.
What is spiritual cannot be converted to a routine practice! The communion will be meaningful only, as I have indicated before, when it is celebrated with new believers immediately after baptism. That also gives credence to the ‘Great Commission’ advocated by the Lord as a part of the responsibility of a believer. Heaven will rejoice when a new believer is brought before the Lord! What other occasions other than communion is fit to solemnize this event with the angels and other believers?
What is happening now in Churches? All kinds of bizarre thinking and belief go with that! Thinking that Jesus Christ will become body and blood in the elements of bread and wine is not supported by the Bible! Such an uncalled for belief will make everyone a kind of a cannibal! Not only that, it is a sadistic thinking of expecting Jesus Christ to get crucified and shed blood whenever communion is observed!
In the book of Acts breaking of the bread may signify both communal meal and communion or just one of the two. This performance was recorded several times since new batches of believers were added in succession in Jerusalem after the Pentecost.
Communion was never observed before the Pentecost. Why did they not observe before if it had been indicated during the Last Supper? Its first observance was recorded after 3000 people were baptized: “Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers”
(Acts 2:41 & 42).
Communion has nothing to do with our salvation, that too, when it is being carried out as a ritual! Many churches give too much of importance to this part of service relegating the word of God! In some churches people come only for this and walk away immediately afterwards without sharing the word, and in some others where word is shared first and communion taken later, people join for latter later! What is important: inspired words of the God or the elements of the communion? It is a typical tendency of people going after created elements rather than hearing the words of the Creator!
Now churches excommunicate people who do not go by its doctrines and its governance. They are prevented from participating in the communion! A big deal! Who can prevent a person in hearing the word of God?
In some other churches, one has to compulsorily participate for certain number of times in a year to claim a right to exercise his franchise in church elections! These people are after secular power and rights down on earth, and they do not want to set their minds on things spiritual up in heaven!
These different beliefs, procedures and practices clearly prove that the entire communion concept is a man-made doctrine, and it is not one single truth! Meaningless rituals ended with spiritual teaching of Jesus. Of course, it is worthwhile to mention here that baptism is not a ritual for an individual! Immersion water baptism is done once for a believing person in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Insistence of re-baptism for joining another denomination is a big sham!
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Hebrews 13:13
Jesus had commanded His disciples to teach everything He has taught unto them when giving them the "great commission". That was how they make "disciples" of other believers.
What?!!! No Twitter?
All kidding aside, you are forgetting the Holy Spirit, and Jesus being that Good Shepherd in leading us through the Holy Spirit in us.
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Albion
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OK. I wasn't sure what you were demonstrating with the Bible verses you chose. In reply, I'd say that there are some Christians (Baptists, mainly) who think it's only remembrance and, perhaps, an act of obedience. But almost all of the others, both Catholic and Protestant, believe that it is that remembrance you refer to PLUS more.
I think you're right about that, but it doesn't change much. This section of the Bible is not the main reason for believing that Christ is specially present in Communion.
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Hebrews 13:13
Just to be clear on where I stand by His grace & by His help, Christ does not need to be specially present in Communion when He is already dwelling within us.
2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
Believing that Christ's presence in communion would make that "presence" the "spirit of the antichrist".
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Albion
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Of course, he doesn't "need to be" doing that or much else that he has chosen to do out of love for us. That isn't the question.
Wrong. Christ can and (according to the Bible) chose to be with us in a special way that doesn't set aside any of the other ways and times he is with us.
I don't see in Scripture anything that says he is limited in the way you suggest he is.
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Hebrews 13:13
The scripture had been provided earlier on why believers cannot receive Him again, and why placing His Prescence outside of us makes that the spirit of the antichrist.
It also ignores this warning.
Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Lo... Christ is in the communion... believe it not.
Luke 22:14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. 15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: 16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. 17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: 18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. 19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you......30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
I see the Marriage Supper in verse 30.
To stay true to Jesus's words, He is not there in communion to share this communion or Himself with them in communion. Certainly, we are not receiving Him again in communion. As He is in us and is with us always, we can discern any spirit outside of us as that spirit of the antichrist. That is the faith we are to defend & not that subtle modified version of communion that is by the scripture; an iniquity that denies Him and denies His words of what the spirit of the antichrist is, blurring the line for our discernment.
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
One communion service began with "We come into His Presence today...." and yet by saying that is really meaning denying Him as being in us always. We should say what we mean in according to our faith or we lead credence to catholicism and their Mass.
We certainly are not walking away from His Presence after communion. All the fancy dress-ups have been added to communion down through the history of the church, but you will not find such fancy dress-ups for that "communion" in scripture as cited as a practise in the NT.
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Albion
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Yeh. That wasn't very credible, so I was giving you a chance make a stronger case if there is one.
I don't believe anyone has argued that we are. Just the opposite, in fact.
Yes, you will...and there's no question but that the church of the first century believed it was more than just the remembrance you accept.
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Hebrews 13:13
I rely on Him to reveal the truth to you. Just be ready to receive that from Him when He does. A disciple bears fruit, and yet still, He will prune that disciple to bear even more fruit.
Going to a place where Christ Presence is in communion is ignoring that warning. The defense of the faith will always be Christ in you.
In spite of Jesus saying "do this in remembrance of Me" and nothing more was added?
Feel free to share the scripture making that church of the first century of being rightly so.
Do note that the falling away from the faith as mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2nd chapter by Paul has him testifying how the iniquity was already at work in that church. Wayward believers were preaching to receive the Holy Spirit again which was after the workings of Satan and Paul had to remind them when they had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth and that was by the hearing of the gospel. This is another form of iniquity, but I believe receiving Him again in communion is the same hypocrisy prophesied in regards to acknowledging the Holy Spirit in them, and yet they seek to receive Him again after a sensational sign in the flesh.
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
So just because the first century church as referenced outside the scripture believes communion was meant to be done more than just in remembrance of Him, it is stepping outside of His words for what He plainly stated for what we are to do communion for as it is departing from faith in hypocrisy for we cannot receive Him again even in communion.
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He and I have already had that conversation, which is why I was willing to pass what I learned along to you.
Oh, quite bit more WAS added. I don't know to what we should attribute your unfamiliarity with it. I've already recommended that you take another look at the relevant verses AND referred to the information that makes the Communion more than just a remembrance.
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Hebrews 13:13
He and I have already had that conversation, which is why I was willing to pass what I learned along to you.
Oh, quite bit more WAS added. I don't know to what we should attribute your unfamiliarity with it. I've already recommended that you take another look at the relevant verses AND referred to the information that makes the Communion more than just a remembrance.
Luke 22:9 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
1 Corinthians 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Yeah... I am still not seeing anything extra added to it for what we are to "do" communion for.
You are going to have to lead me by the hand in seeing it, brother.
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TheBarrd
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Something that always bothered me...the Last Supper was supposed to be a Passover meal.
But it couldn't have been. The Passover meal wouldn't have been eaten at that time...what to us would have been Thursday night, but to the Jews a day was from sunset to sunset...so it would have been Friday, or the day of preparation.
I believe that what this was, was a breaking of a fast...The Fast of The Firstborn. All firstborn Jews would fast on the day before the day of preparation...but then, after sundown, so that they would not go into the festivities hungry, they would break their fast with a light meal, possibly of bread and wine.
The following day, Friday, would have been the day of preparation, when the lamb was slaughtered and everything was made ready for the feast. Saturday being the Sabbath, the feast must be ready, because there could be no work done, as in preparing food on that day. That is why Jesus and the others had to be down from the cross by sunset.
I wonder if we may have misunderstood...not the remembrance part...but the significance of what we are doing.
Just a thought.....
But it couldn't have been. The Passover meal wouldn't have been eaten at that time...what to us would have been Thursday night, but to the Jews a day was from sunset to sunset...so it would have been Friday, or the day of preparation.
I believe that what this was, was a breaking of a fast...The Fast of The Firstborn. All firstborn Jews would fast on the day before the day of preparation...but then, after sundown, so that they would not go into the festivities hungry, they would break their fast with a light meal, possibly of bread and wine.
The following day, Friday, would have been the day of preparation, when the lamb was slaughtered and everything was made ready for the feast. Saturday being the Sabbath, the feast must be ready, because there could be no work done, as in preparing food on that day. That is why Jesus and the others had to be down from the cross by sunset.
I wonder if we may have misunderstood...not the remembrance part...but the significance of what we are doing.
Just a thought.....
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Paul claims to have had a special tutorial for him by Jesus!
Yeah! Not even facebook! LOL
The Holy Spirit cannot be partial to Paul only!
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This helps in looking at the ritual of communion started by Paul in a different way. Jesus was preparing His apostles of His death. He never wanted the ritual of Passover to continue after His final sacrifice. Henceforth, it was His words and commandments that would offer eternal life.
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