If you say so, but most of us here believe the Bible to be what it purports to be.
For confirmation, other writings, particularly, Gospel should support it.
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If you say so, but most of us here believe the Bible to be what it purports to be.
Luke confirms that Jesus commanded: “Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” (Luke 22:19) These words have also been rendered: “Do this in memory of me” (Today’s English Version) and “Do this as a memorial of me.” (The Jerusalem Bible) In fact, this observance is often referred to as the Memorial of Christ’s death. Paul also calls it the Lord’s Evening Meal—an appropriate designation, since this was instituted at night. (1 Corinthians 11:20) Christians are commanded to observe the Lord’s Evening Meal.
It is well known that Luke 22:19 and 20 are later insertions. Whereas other Gospel books don't support that to be observed as a memorial. Paul and Luke were not present during this event.
WHAT, exactly, is your understanding of what communion is for?
Galatians 2:9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Romans 16:17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
1 Corinthians 1:10Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Acts 20:6 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Acts 21:16 There went with us also certain of the disciples of Caesarea, and brought with them one Mnason of Cyprus, an old disciple, with whom we should lodge. 17 And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. 19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
I would have to say that it would be hard for Paul to preach outside of what the disciples had agreed upon so that they were all known to be speaking the same thing and having the same judgment, and preaching that one gospel.
Mark 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born. 22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. 23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it. 24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. 25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
I believe the remembrance is on what He has done for us.
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
WHAT, exactly, is your understanding of what communion is for?
All from outsiders who were not present during the Last Supper.
The communication during those days were not what we have today.
Jesus never said to observe this as a ritual anymore.Since you doubt the validity of the scripture by claiming insertions by the RCC or whomever, this point cannot be proven, but it can be disproven quite easily because there are too much scripture remaining that reproves catholicism for what it is, a system of works denying that they are saved when they first had come to & believed in Jesus Christ.
Do note that in spite of labouring in unbelief in coming into that rest provided by Jesus, Catholics that believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God raised Him from the dead, are saved even if they do not believe the promise of God's words.
This is where discipleship is supposed to come in where teaching them His words and taking His words over any church tradition, ( since the Catholic church is not alone in this area ) is how by His grace & by His help, believers are abiding in Him as His disciples.
Paul's claim is unsupported by the Gospel
Are you sure that you are not reading Paul's words wrong? Receiving "of" the Lord is different than saying he had received "from" the Lord the tradition of communion. Having the right hand of fellowship with some of the disciples does mean that they all had spoken the same thing, having the same judgment, and the same gospel from which for Paul to be called an apostle unto the Gentiles "by them" means they had taught Paul communion.
Yes, but not converted to a ritual with a regular frequency!
I do not believe the scripture teaches to do communion in that manner, but to emphasize what communion was for when they do partake of it.
One would not glorify Him by proclaiming His death, rather we should proclaim His resurrection and eternal life through His words and obedience.
The quoted reference was about glorifying God in our body by avoiding fornication, not about glorifying communion for what communion stands for. In that reference was the mention of the price that was paid for having ransomed us as His and the result being our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Communion is just a reminder of that ransomed that was paid since the world would like for us to forget and lose faith into believing that something else is required to be saved in becoming His.
To remember Him of what He has done for me in having ransomed me by His death. My body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which means there is no further receiving a sacrifice for sins or to "receive" Him again since He is within me always as promised for all those that had come to & had believed in Jesus Christ.
I think you're right about that, but it doesn't change much. This section of the Bible is not the main reason for believing that Christ is specially present in Communion.John 6th chapter was never about communion, but about how we are saved.
OK. I wasn't sure what you were demonstrating with the Bible verses you chose. In reply, I'd say that there are some Christians (Baptists, mainly) who think it's only remembrance and, perhaps, an act of obedience. But almost all of the others, both Catholic and Protestant, believe that it is that remembrance you refer to PLUS more.
I think you're right about that, but it doesn't change much. This section of the Bible is not the main reason for believing that Christ is specially present in Communion.
Of course, he doesn't "need to be" doing that or much else that he has chosen to do out of love for us. That isn't the question.Just to be clear on where I stand by His grace & by His help, Christ does not need to be specially present in Communion when He is already dwelling within us.
Wrong. Christ can and (according to the Bible) chose to be with us in a special way that doesn't set aside any of the other ways and times he is with us.Believing that Christ's presence in communion would make that "presence" the "spirit of the antichrist".
Of course, he doesn't "need to be" doing that or much else that he has chosen to do out of love for us. That isn't the question.
Wrong. Christ can and (according to the Bible) chose to be with us in a special way that doesn't set aside any of the other ways and times he is with us.
I don't see in Scripture anything that says he is limited in the way you suggest he is.
Yeh. That wasn't very credible, so I was giving you a chance make a stronger case if there is one.The scripture had been provided earlier on why believers cannot receive Him again, and why placing His Prescence outside of us makes that the spirit of the antichrist.
I don't believe anyone has argued that we are. Just the opposite, in fact.We certainly are not walking away from His Presence after communion.
Yes, you will...and there's no question but that the church of the first century believed it was more than just the remembrance you accept.All the fancy dress-ups have been added to communion down through the history of the church, but you will not find such fancy dress-ups for that "communion" in scripture as cited as a practise in the NT.
Yeh. That wasn't very credible, so I was giving you a chance make a stronger case if there is one.
I don't believe anyone has argued that we are. Just the opposite, in fact.
Yes, you will...and there's no question but that the church of the first century believed it was more than just the remembrance you accept.
He and I have already had that conversation, which is why I was willing to pass what I learned along to you.I rely on Him to reveal the truth to you. Just be ready to receive that from Him when He does.
Oh, quite bit more WAS added. I don't know to what we should attribute your unfamiliarity with it. I've already recommended that you take another look at the relevant verses AND referred to the information that makes the Communion more than just a remembrance.In spite of Jesus saying "do this in remembrance of Me" and nothing more was added?
He and I have already had that conversation, which is why I was willing to pass what I learned along to you.
Oh, quite bit more WAS added. I don't know to what we should attribute your unfamiliarity with it. I've already recommended that you take another look at the relevant verses AND referred to the information that makes the Communion more than just a remembrance.
Jesus had commanded His disciples to teach everything He has taught unto them when giving them the "great commission". That was how they make "disciples" of other believers.
What?!!! No Twitter?
All kidding aside, you are forgetting the Holy Spirit, and Jesus being that Good Shepherd in leading us through the Holy Spirit in us.
Something that always bothered me...the Last Supper was supposed to be a Passover meal.
But it couldn't have been. The Passover meal wouldn't have been eaten at that time...what to us would have been Thursday night, but to the Jews a day was from sunset to sunset...so it would have been Friday, or the day of preparation.
I believe that what this was, was a breaking of a fast...The Fast of The Firstborn. All firstborn Jews would fast on the day before the day of preparation...but then, after sundown, so that they would not go into the festivities hungry, they would break their fast with a light meal, possibly of bread and wine.
The following day, Friday, would have been the day of preparation, when the lamb was slaughtered and everything was made ready for the feast. Saturday being the Sabbath, the feast must be ready, because there could be no work done, as in preparing food on that day. That is why Jesus and the others had to be down from the cross by sunset.
I wonder if we may have misunderstood...not the remembrance part...but the significance of what we are doing.
Just a thought.....