How 'bout them Duggars?

Yes. How 'bout them Duggars...?
Fallible just like the rest of us? Shocking!

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/tv/news/tlc-pulls-19-kids-and-counting-from-lineup/ar-BBk8m7o

Armoured said:

Statistically speaking, at least one of them is almost certainly gay. I've never watched the show, but I'd pay to be a fly on the wall for THAT family moment.

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If they're NOT known to be gay, just say that one of them is, anyhow...eh? I'll take Duggar moral standards over that any day!

I'm deeply saddened and disturbed to hear this, but I'd like to say a couple of things.

What he did was awful and inexcusable and even though through Christ we are forgiven, we are not without consequence and he is now paying for his bad choices.

1-the family has never claimed to be perfect and perhaps instead of jumping on the band wagon of thinking that finally something to call them out on....consider for a moment that there are five victims here. These girls are now reliving this. In the open, for the world to see. That is horrible! I am a victim myself from when I was a child, it was a family member and I lived in a small town. Every time this is brought up, I was a victim all over again. Molestation is something that takes YEARS to get over. And even then, you always remember-it doesn't disappear, even if you do forgive the offender. That's something 21 years later, I am still working on. Even if most people think you are past it, you may not be. This is not their (the girls) fault and they are being victimized, again. Please consider that.

2-we should pray for them. I do not feel bad for the son that did wrong. He brought this on himself. Pray for these girls and pray for the family. Even if he deserves it, they do not. My heart breaks for them. As Christians, we should pray.

Actually, his parents deserve all the vilification they are receiving. They kept his offenses a secret and only "came out" when forced to do so. It is a huge wrong for any parent to refuse to report crimes committed by their kids, no matter how "forgiven" they think he was. The police should have investigated the son, and the kids who were molested should have received justice. This nonsense about sending him to Christian camp is pathetic. That wouldn't happen to anyone else. The fact is that, rather than behave like Christians who obey the law of the land, they acted how the rich and privileged act - as though there is a different law for them. There is not. There is one law - that of the land- and as Christians we are called upon to obey it, whether we like it or not. And this behavior from those who spout about "the family" and tell lies about LGBT. LGBT's are not the perverts - Josh Duggar is the pervert, and that testimony is from his own lips (when it's too late to prosecute him of course). They are even more sickening than I thought they were.

At least we get spared any more Duggars on TV, as TLC has had no choice but to remove their show from the network. Maybe they and their offspring will now have to work for their living. Imagine that.

annafullofgrace said:

What he did was awful and inexcusable and even though through Christ we are forgiven, we are not without consequence and he is now paying for his bad choices.

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Not enough. He'll never face investigation (until he does it again). He has never also never received punishment. Spending a week with a family friend is not punishment.

This is not their (the girls) fault and they are being victimized, again.

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I keep hearing this from Duggar apologists, but nobody has identified the girls so no "victimization" is taking place. Knowing how these kind of extreme cults work, they were probably told they shared the blame. Maybe now they'll hear otherwise and finally understand how wrong this creep's behavior was. I can't imagine how it would be for all these years to see their molester grinning away on tv, acting like a saint and talking smack about how evil gays are. SMH.

Hetta-I did not in any way shape or form excuse his parents. I specifically addressed the girls. I read the 33 page police report. The names were not released, but the parent admitted that four of the victims were their daughters. The fifth was a family friends daughter. They were victims. And they are victims. I will not go into detail of the report because it is extremely disturbing. The entire interviews are made public and that IS victimizing them. Yes, those girls should have received Justice. No, I do not agree with how it was handled. And the network is right for taking them off the air. And yes, I do believe he is being punished now-no, I do not believe it is what he truly deserves, but I do feel he is being punished. This is not a debate...this is horrible.

Because they've made a public display of themselves and have discredited the morals of others it IS a debate. He is not the first hypocrite to be exposed lately. Exposure is good - these things are supposed to be brought to the light. By saying it's not a debate, you're asking for it to be brushed under the carpet (for the sake of the victims, of course). No more carpet brushing.

Josh Duggar victimized the girls. He's the only victimizer here. Stop trying to pass around the blame.

I have only said that we should pray for them-the girls-the victims. I pray you are never a victim yourself. Me asking for prayer does NOT say that it should be swept under the rug-but for their to be details released like that is awful!! Do not assume my intentions. And those girls, whichever ones they are, are certainly reliving those horrible acts all over again. I will no longer be responding to you or this thread.

Hetta said:

Not enough. He'll never face investigation (until he does it again). He has never also never received punishment. Spending a week with a family friend is not punishment.

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Quite frankly, I believe he has "faced investigation" and "received punishment". That's how the grace of God works. And I don't believe it's over for him, but I'm not in his mind right now.

ImaginaryDay said:

Quite frankly, I believe he has "faced investigation" and "received punishment". That's how the grace of God works. And I don't believe it's over for him, but I'm not in his mind right now.

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No he hasn't. Not unless he was arrested and a full police investigation was carried out which, you know, us ordinary folks would have to face. They deliberately circumvented the law.

Perhaps we should just stop the normal process of law for all Christians. Let parents decide how to handle their children's transgressions, and perhaps we could extend that into adulthood where any Christian adult just has to apologize, and then we all move on. I'm sure that will teach all of those thieves, rapists and murderers not to be bad boys and girls anymore.

annafullofgrace said:

I have only said that we should pray for them-the girls-the victims. I pray you are never a victim yourself. Me asking for prayer does NOT say that it should be swept under the rug-but for their to be details released like that is awful!! Do not assume my intentions. And those girls, whichever ones they are, are certainly reliving those horrible acts all over again. I will no longer be responding to you or this thread.

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It is Josh Duggar's fault that the girls get to relive his molestation of them - not mine, not anyone else's. Put the blame where it belongs. Anything else is just making an excuse for a pervert.

You have no idea about what I have experienced because I don't post my life experiences publicly, but don't make assumptions because of that.

I was not shocked to find out these allegations, similarly to the line of thinking that one of them is surely gay, it's also a high statistical probability that abuse would occur at some point within the family. It's terrible that this is what it came from. The poor girls who have probably never been taken seriously as victims are now reliving this because a crooked officer, a dad with more regard for his one son than his four daughters, and a predator who lived in their own home and was revered as a good person. The whole thing is just disturbing.

Albion said:

If they're NOT known to be gay, just say that one of them is, anyhow...eh? I'll take Duggar moral standards over that any day!

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Huh?

Armoured said,

Statistically speaking, at least one of them is almost certainly gay. I've never watched the show, but I'd pay to be a fly on the wall for THAT family moment.

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How do you arrive at that conclusion? Kinsey was notorious for using bad methodology. One of the experts who wrote a book on statistics and methodology that is cited to this day at the time told Kinsey he'd rather see him use a random sample of 100 people than 10,000 people he'd met in bars. His 10% figure is unreliable, and his work shows that he was getting data from unsavory characters like child molesters, if the kids weren't molested for the sake of the research.

Where is there reliable data for the idea that 4% of people taken at random are 'gay'? And if one holds that there is a genetic component to it, why would members of a family be likely to be 'gay.'

LinkH said:

Armoured said,


How do you arrive at that conclusion? Kinsey was notorious for using bad methodology. One of the experts who wrote a book on statistics and methodology that is cited to this day at the time told Kinsey he'd rather see him use a random sample of 100 people than 10,000 people he'd met in bars. His 10% figure is unreliable, and his work shows that he was getting data from unsavory characters like child molesters, if the kids weren't molested for the sake of the research.

Where is there reliable data for the idea that 4% of people taken at random are 'gay'? And if one holds that there is a genetic component to it, why would members of a family be likely to be 'gay.'

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It's not Kinsey I'm alluding to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order_and_male_sexual_orientation

I've read the news and it is disturbing. It's awful. The boy was still a child at the time, 14, a teenager. Are the girls reliving it? They don't normally watch TV, so the parents may be able to keep them from reliving it.

LinkH said:

I've read the news and it is disturbing. It's awful. The boy was still a child at the time, 14, a teenager. Are the girls reliving it? They don't normally watch TV, so the parents may be able to keep them from reliving it.

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There is no get out clause for 14 year olds unless they have rich and powerful parents who can bend the law. IMO, those parents should be investigated for not making a report of an action that they knew was an offense.

I suspect that if this was a black teen carrying out sexual crimes, the media and public would be all over him, but because it's a Duggar, he's a "child." No. A 14 year old is fully responsible for their actions. My youngest is 15, and a year ago, if he had molested young kids, I would have had no hesitation in involving the law - because that's the right thing to do, no matter how hard it is as a parent. You simply don't cover these things up.

When people go on about the girls reliving it - do they think they haven't relived it hundreds of times already? Sexual assault leaves a scar and victims can relive these offenses for the rest of their lives without adequate counseling. Victims of assault can and often do suffer from PTSD. I'll say again, that it is Josh Duggar's fault that the girls relive his assaults, not the fault of anyone else.

I also read that one of the things the girls were told was that they needed to bind up their chests more, because ya know boobs. No boy - not even your brother - can be held accountable when a girl doesn't bandage her breasts up.

I am just waiting for the day when one or more of these kids breaks loose and tells the true story of this family. I bet there is much more to hear than this. Maybe then people will finally accept that these sects are NOT healthy.

Duggar with members of the party of moral & family values:






Duggar previously said,









http://thinkprogress.org/culture/20...people-family-values-admitted-child-molester/


The culture of Pharisaism is quite readily evident here.

ImaginaryDay said:

Quite frankly, I believe he has "faced investigation" and "received punishment". That's how the grace of God works. And I don't believe it's over for him, but I'm not in his mind right now.

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Hetta said:

No he hasn't. Not unless he was arrested and a full police investigation was carried out which, you know, us ordinary folks would have to face. They deliberately circumvented the law.

Perhaps we should just stop the normal process of law for all Christians. Let parents decide how to handle their children's transgressions, and perhaps we could extend that into adulthood where any Christian adult just has to apologize, and then we all move on. I'm sure that will teach all of those thieves, rapists and murderers not to be bad boys and girls anymore.

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Sorry, I read the link again, and followed the "link trail" to find out what was really going on. No. He hasn't been punished enough...