Culture of Christians?

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The one thing that I've never quite got my head around is the idea that if it's not Christian = it's evil. Here's a story to illustrate this: A couple of years ago, I was getting gas before driving across the state out to a wacipi, already dressed in traditional apparel, to meet the rest of my family. Anyway, this guy comes up to me and starts talking about pagan worship, the occult, how we're deceived, the false gods of the natives, etc. I can't get a word in, but I'm thinking "okay dude, you're really doing this right now? You're literally insulting, me and my culture at the same time!" He continues to say he's half Lakota (unless he got no genes from that parent, this was a lie), and says he prays for our people every night. I said thank you for your prayers, I'm now running late, and left.
 
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What do you expect from your average Christian of culture? (positive or negative)

For example, I've come to learn that they never apologize for anything.

Never apologize for anything? That seems a bit extreme. If you mean not apologizing for their beliefs that's a different topic. Ask yourself this; How often do you apologize for being who you are? Do you need to apologize for say, being a vegetarian? Could you be sensitive to someone expressing their opinion and interpreting this as the Christian "forcing" their beliefs?

Learning the art of apologetics may help you. For example, If someone expresses their opinion of Christians having dominion over animals as a lead in to your being a vegetarian just ask them if they can show you where in the Bible its wrong to be a vegetarian.
 
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I think there is a Christian culture; maybe cultures. I have heard that Christians were known for their love for one another in earlier times. I think it is fair to ask what Christians are like from your experience.

Maybe we can name some good qualities.
 
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I think there is a Christian culture; maybe cultures. I have heard that Christians were known for their love for one another in earlier times. I think it is fair to ask what Christians are like from your experience.

Maybe we can name some good qualities.

Christian culture has become something very tangible since the rise of evangelicalism in the 20th century, and the intangible aspects of it have continued to vary over the years. The culture of, for example, Methodists, is going to be very different from Eastern Orthodox. Although there are traditions that tend to cluster together.

Some forms of the culture is toxic (like the evangelical tendency to create a "Christian version" of everything secular) or the idea of shaming people for certain things in a few different denominations.

The core Christian culture is rather uniform I believe, but when you get into the denominational-specific culture that's where some of the issues arise.
 
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What do you expect from your average Christian of culture? (positive or negative)

I don't know that I can put Christians in a box, especially considering my own personal evolution. What I have notice though is that I think denominationalism & institutionalism play a big part for some. I've noticed in NOT being a part of those things it can and many times does unglue some Christians. They can't handle that...
 
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I'm glad that Darth Bagel mentioned this, because I think it depends on which church you're actually looking at. The Coptic Orthodox Christian culture, which is what I am most familiar with, is very different than whatever kind of generic or even denomination-specific European Christian culture you can point to in the West, or America specifically. Generally speaking, we do not go around telling others about the fate of their immortal souls or castigating them for being immoral according to Christian standards or whatever, and I have to imagine that this is probably because the Coptic people have lived as second-class citizens in their own country for centuries now, and that country (Egypt) is largely non-Christian, so the Copts aren't used to situations where they can expect to be part of a majority, or to be free to speak about what they see as right or wrong. (And here in America it just continues, anyway; often times I find myself having to explain to people at my parish what a Lutheran is, or what makes Roman Catholicism different from Orthodoxy, or whatever...these are just not things that are on the radar of most Coptic people, since 95%+ are members of the same church. So they come to America, are happy because they are in a Christian country where they won't get kidnapped and people won't destroy their churches or monasteries, and then they become confused because "Christian" means a lot of different things here that they don't understand, and technically they're a much smaller minority here than they were in Egypt, and the dominant culture is so, so different.)

Among Coptic Orthodox people it is more important to fast and pray than to involve ourselves in useless bickering (I'm different, since I'm an American; hahaha). We save that stuff for after the liturgy, at least! Also, Coptic people are usually involved in this or that aspect of the traditional healing professions, which might seem a little unusual compared to other churches (if only because it is so prevalent; when one of our deacons got his Ph.D. in computer science, even our priest commented that this is unusual that a Copt would be a computer scientist and not in medicine). Our current Pope, HH Pope Tawadros II, was a pharmacist and managed a state-owned pharmaceutical factory before he joined the monastery, and even in my own tiny parish (of 6 families) there is one doctor. We highly respect knowledge, and take seriously the cooperation of God and man in the healing of the body.

An Egyptian friend of mine in the Eastern Orthodox Church once commented that when he last lived in Egypt, in the 1980s, a common saying among Egyptian Muslims was that a neighborhood without Christians was not a good neighborhood. This was said because apparently it was understood that if you needed something, you could go to your Christian neighbor and they would give it to you without asking for anything in return, whereas a Muslim would expect a favor or make unreasonable demands regarding repayment, even from another Muslim. Egypt has changed a lot since then, though, so I'm not sure if that's still a common saying, but I think the principle behind it shows that giving and selflessness are a big part of Egyptian Christian culture.

And, hopefully like all Christians everywhere, we thank God for everything. As a church of mostly poor people, there's perhaps a lot to be sad about, but you don't often hear about it. The Coptic Orthodox Church really has a culture of martyrdom (HH Pope Tawadros II responded recently to a Western reporter's question about the current troubles in Egypt by saying that he is not worried, because the church must present martyrs in every age), and probably produces more martyrs today than any other particular church. It helps focus us and strengthen us, so we praise God in all his saints, old and new. Here, for example, is the message of HG Bishop Moussa Fr. Tadros Yaqoub at the funeral for the martyrs of the 2011 bombing of the Church of the Saints in Alexandria:


This, I hope, qualifies as reflective of Christian culture even more so than particular prohibitions or attitudes about hot-button social issues.
 
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I'm glad that Darth Bagel mentioned this, because I think it depends on which church you're actually looking at. The Coptic Orthodox Christian culture, which is what I am most familiar with, is very different than whatever kind of generic or even denomination-specific European Christian culture you can point to in the West, or America specifically. Generally speaking, we do not go around telling others about the fate of their immortal souls or castigating them for being immoral according to Christian standards or whatever, and I have to imagine that this is probably because the Coptic people have lived as second-class citizens in their own country for centuries now, and that country (Egypt) is largely non-Christian, so the Copts aren't used to situations where they can expect to be part of a majority, or to be free to speak about what they see as right or wrong. (And here in America it just continues, anyway; often times I find myself having to explain to people at my parish what a Lutheran is, or what makes Roman Catholicism different from Orthodoxy, or whatever...these are just not things that are on the radar of most Coptic people, since 95%+ are members of the same church. So they come to America, are happy because they are in a Christian country where they won't get kidnapped and people won't destroy their churches or monasteries, and then they become confused because "Christian" means a lot of different things here that they don't understand, and technically they're a much smaller minority here than they were in Egypt, and the dominant culture is so, so different.)

Among Coptic Orthodox people it is more important to fast and pray than to involve ourselves in useless bickering (I'm different, since I'm an American; hahaha). We save that stuff for after the liturgy, at least! Also, Coptic people are usually involved in this or that aspect of the traditional healing professions, which might seem a little unusual compared to other churches (if only because it is so prevalent; when one of our deacons got his Ph.D. in computer science, even our priest commented that this is unusual that a Copt would be a computer scientist and not in medicine). Our current Pope, HH Pope Tawadros II, was a pharmacist and managed a state-owned pharmaceutical factory before he joined the monastery, and even in my own tiny parish (of 6 families) there is one doctor. We highly respect knowledge, and take seriously the cooperation of God and man in the healing of the body.

An Egyptian friend of mine in the Eastern Orthodox Church once commented that when he last lived in Egypt, in the 1980s, a common saying among Egyptian Muslims was that a neighborhood without Christians was not a good neighborhood. This was said because apparently it was understood that if you needed something, you could go to your Christian neighbor and they would give it to you without asking for anything in return, whereas a Muslim would expect a favor or make unreasonable demands regarding repayment, even from another Muslim. Egypt has changed a lot since then, though, so I'm not sure if that's still a common saying, but I think the principle behind it shows that giving and selflessness are a big part of Egyptian Christian culture.

And, hopefully like all Christians everywhere, we thank God for everything. As a church of mostly poor people, there's perhaps a lot to be sad about, but you don't often hear about it. The Coptic Orthodox Church really has a culture of martyrdom (HH Pope Tawadros II responded recently to a Western reporter's question about the current troubles in Egypt by saying that he is not worried, because the church must present martyrs in every age), and probably produces more martyrs today than any other particular church. It helps focus us and strengthen us, so we praise God in all his saints, old and new. Here, for example, is the message of HG Bishop Moussa Fr. Tadros Yaqoub at the funeral for the martyrs of the 2011 bombing of the Church of the Saints in Alexandria:


This, I hope, qualifies as reflective of Christian culture even more so than particular prohibitions or attitudes about hot-button social issues.

One thing that your post reminds me of, and it's something we discussed here: http://www.christianforums.com/threads/religion-v-personal-relationship.7877549/ . A big emphasis/belief of Evangelical culture is that Christianity is about having a relationship with God and Christ instead of a religion, which is all well and good, however it usually results in ignoring liturgy, and at the extreme ends sacraments to avoid the appearance of being "religious".
 
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I think it comes down to the matter of self-control and identifying your limits. I've been drunk before and I always know well before I am drunk that I am approaching it, so a person can know their limits.

As for the stealing, wellllllll, technically you aren't stealing at that point because the legal definition is to take with the intent to permanently deprive, but that's just me being picky :D
I haven't really been drunk. Maybe close but not exactly there.
Maybe 3-4 times I've been like "I don't like this, I can't do anything useful now! When will this wear off?" Only reason that happened is some drinks are harder to gauge, and I have a very low tolerence.. Everybody can and will abuse something. Those who judge with make sharp and snappy conclusions are people I avoid.
 
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This has been great. In my little experience, I have felt the feeling of "warning" and it is hard to get over. World Christianity so puts it in balance. While I expect the worst to be found in church, I also at the same time expect the greatest will also be found somewhere in church.
 
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1) Love to debate. It is very important to be right. (To be fair, I am in this group too.)

2) Competitive in school and work. Loves showing off to each other. Looking down on the weak. (I was one of those "losers" for the longest time so I got nothing.)

3) Form their own clique in church. If you are an outsider you are an outsider. And they will talk with the same people every single week. (I was an outsider. Guess why I am bitter? :p )
 
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