Do Baptists Believe They Are The Only True Religion?

ValorWoman4Jesus · May 22, 2015

FreeinChrist said:
Baptists believe they have correct, Biblical belief but not that they are the one true religion

Yep. That's exactly as I see it.

graphuto · May 22, 2015

If I believe that I have the correct biblical belief and you don't, let's not beat around the bush :
I don't know about their religion.

SaintJoeNow · May 22, 2015

Sir Lionel Luckhoo, awarded the title of worlds most successful lawyer by the Guiness Book of Word Records and twice knighted by the Queen of England stated: "I have spent more than forty two years as a defense trial lawyer appearing in many parts of the world....I say unequivocally the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no doubt."
Luckahoo, like many great minds, had set out to prove the resurrection of Jesus Christ to be a myth and ended up becoming a follower of Jesus Christ.

The public school system and a lot of evil sources are doing all they can to blur and destroy the true account of history. God keeps the record and it cannot be changed. Jesus Christ is God and He is going to rule the Earth.

You will have to google the writings of Luckhoo for this reference, and you can also google the fact of his awards as I stated. I memorized this stuff and do not have direct links for the source, but Luckhoo is the source.
Luckhoo, like many great minds, had set out to prove the resurrection of Jesus Christ to be a myth and ended up becoming a follower of Jesus Christ.

The public school system and a lot of evil sources are doing all they can to blur and destroy the true account of history. God keeps the record and it cannot be changed. Jesus Christ is God and He is going to rule the Earth.

Boidae · May 22, 2015

SaintJoeNow said:
Well you got that right. How in the world people fail to see there is only one Bible and all modern versions make the changes and deletions you mention proving they are perversions, twists, fraudulent, devilish...amazing. I knew within weeks of being saved that the King James Bible is God's word in English and all other English versions are imposters with devil inspired insertions, changes, and deletions.

Joe, please do not turn this thread into a debate regarding the KJV.

I do not use it and therefore I no longer want it discussed.

SaintJoeNow · May 22, 2015

SaintJoeNow said:
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dkin · May 22, 2015

zeke25 said:
Acts 2:40 KJV, "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation." So, Peter exhorted people to believe. Call it an altar call, or call it exhorting, call it whatever you like, except unscriptural. If you want to talk about church doctrine, then the RCC has no scriptural defense for its doctrines.
Zeke25

I can quote all sorts of scripture to back up our doctrine but have been asked by the moderator nor to engage in such conversations here.

dkin · May 22, 2015

SaintJoeNow said:
There are huge differences in Lutheran synods or whatever they call them. I know one, I think the Missouri synod, is not far from conservative Baptists though they would be considered liberal in my church. Other branches of the Lutheran church are very much further off to the left with Catholic resemblance and liberal/left wing political affiliations. It's true there are perhaps hundreds of different kinds of Baptists because many of them are completely independent and recognize no governing board outside of the Bible and their own choices (which can be Biblical or self-serving choices in various degrees), but the contrast between left wing Lutherans and conservative Lutherans probably is much greater, and at least equally comparable, to contrasts between Baptists. The Baptist churches that are way out there on issues become isolated from other Baptists. I believe the most unshakeable In faith and in practice are the independent fundamental, KJV only, soul-winning focused.....no offense, I'm sure some fine Baptists would debate me on that point....but I sure have seen a lot of Baptist churches, including the one where I attended Christian college, drop the "Baptist" distinction from there name and change to "community" or non-denominational and I think it's a shame when they do that. Being a Baptist and getting your head cut off for it was good enough for John the Baptist, and being baptized by a Baptist was good enough for Jesus, and being crucified was good enough for Jesus.......it's good enough for me to be baptized by a Baptist and be crucified with Jesus. Jesus promised the world would hate us if we follow Him, the same as they hated Him, and what group of Christians is the most hated today if not Baptists?

I would argue that's the Catholic Church. And BTW...no child sacrifices beneath the Vatican. Sheesh.

SaintJoeNow · May 22, 2015

graphuto said:
If I believe that I have the correct biblical belief and you don't, let's not beat around the bush :
I don't know about their religion.

Just be careful not to imply people who say they are Christians here are in fact not Christians....that is one rule the site is picky about, you cannot imply someone here is not a Christian if they say they are a Christian.

SaintJoeNow · May 22, 2015

dkin said:
I would argue that's the Catholic Church. And BTW...no child sacrifices beneath the Vatican. Sheesh.

I was a regular attender in a church which was in close fellowship with an evangelical Lutheran church, I believe it was Missouri Synod.....I have not studied Lutheran branches in detail, but I did pick up on it enough to know the basics of what I am saying are true and I'm talking about Lutheran churches, not Catholic churches.

I don't know why you are trying to say I'm talking about Catholic churches here other than the part where I speak of some of the Lutheran churches having more resemblance of Catholicism than others.

paulinemc · May 22, 2015

I haven't been on this site in years & years & years & . . . glad to get an email today, & very glad to read Boidae's post. I'm also a Lutheran Christian, & have also encountered a number of challenges to my faith. I grew up in a strict, fundamentalist, holiness denomination that I left the week after high school graduation & moved into my own apartment. I had read tons of books about various denominations & their beliefs, & the one that was a life-changer for me was "Religions of America" by Leo Rosten. It may be out of print now, but used copies are still available online (Amazon.com, etc.) Each chapter is written by a leader of a different denomination, answering similar questions about that group’s beliefs. The Lutheran writer answered the question, "Do Lutherans believe theirs is the only true faith?" with "Yes -- but we don't believe we're the only ones who have it." I was working on a small newspaper at the time, & one of my responsibilities was the church page. I became acquainted with all the clergy in town, & "sampled" worship services at a different congregation each week. I also read & prayed, waiting for some indication that "here" or "there" was the part of the Body of Christ whose beliefs I could embrace wholeheartedly. . . one with roots deep in the historical Church, firm in its core doctrines, flexible enough to adapt to the needs of the day, etc. I was invited to attend a series of Lenten mid-week services by a Lutheran pastor, & I accepted. That Maundy Thursday, 1965, I felt as if my soul had found its home.

Boidae, there will always be other Christians who question your faith; they'll criticize the liturgy, disdain the efficacy of the sacraments, & tell you that you haven't truly been born again because you've never made a "decision for Christ" -- a phrase which, by the way, is not in the Bible. Some denominations say you're "saved by grace," but you're kept in relationship with God by your good works, or following a set of rules. Some groups make a great to-do about things not specified in scripture; Luther called these things "adiaphora” – things not essential to faith. These could certainly include a lot of human-made rules & regulations that a Christian must follow to remain in Christ. When you feel your faith is being challenged or questioned, do what Luther advised – repeat to yourself, “I am baptized!” & therefore a child of God. Other Christians may disagree with you on many points, but if you cling to Christ & ask Him to strengthen your faith, & seek fellowship with other like-minded Christians, you’ll experience the peace that passes understanding that Jesus talked about. I didn’t read any “Baptist-bashing” attitude in your posting. On the contrary, many varieties of Christians believe their God-appointed duty is to make other (maybe not ‘real’) Christians to “see the light,” pray the sinner’s prayer (also not in scripture) & accept Jesus as their personal Savior (phrase also not in scripture). Be respectful to them as a brother or sister in Christ, but don’t buy into their interpretation of the faith unless you feel sincerely led by God.
One more thing – hurray for not being a King James Only Christian. Some of the veneration given to that version of scripture borders on worship, in my opinion. Jesus spoke to the people in their contemporary language – often Aramaic. Surely he spoke Hebrew in the Temple, but with the ordinary folks, he used their ordinary, colloquial language. Blessings to you, Boidae!

SaintJoeNow · May 22, 2015

Boidae said:
Joe, please do not turn this thread into a debate regarding the KJV.

I do not use it and therefore I no longer want it discussed.

If you don't want it discussed, you should have left it out of your OP. You trashed a Baptist pastor by saying he had a look of disgust on his face when you told him you don't use the KJV. You started it in your OP. It is part of the topic you created for the thread. Next time, don't put it in your OP if you don't want people to talk about it.
Sorry...the thread seems to have gone in many directions, I was not the first to introduce the issue of modern versions casting doubt on the veracity of God's word, it seems some far back were using the concept of many versions of God's word as proof that their denomination was batter than the Baptists who sent that pastor to your door, remember, the one you spoke of as being rude and insensitive when he visited you and was concerned about you being sure your sins are forgiven and that you are going to heaven?

I think you also quickly admitted that from the start of your thread, your questions about Baptist belief were not questions at all, but rhetorical questions to make statements against Baptists and specifically against KJV only Baptists.....against KJV only Baptists is strongly implied in your OP, against Baptists in generally is practically plainly stated by you as you said they are not your "cup of tea".

SaintJoeNow · May 22, 2015

paulinemc said:
I haven't been on this site in years & years & years & . . . glad to get an email today, & very glad to read Boidae's post. I'm also a Lutheran Christian, & have also encountered a number of challenges to my faith. I grew up in a strict, fundamentalist, holiness denomination that I left the week after high school graduation & moved into my own apartment. I had read tons of books about various denominations & their beliefs, & the one that was a life-changer for me was "Religions of America" by Leo Rosten. It may be out of print now, but used copies are still available online (Amazon.com, etc.) Each chapter is written by a leader of a different denomination, answering similar questions about that group’s beliefs. The Lutheran writer answered the question, "Do Lutherans believe theirs is the only true faith?" with "Yes -- but we don't believe we're the only ones who have it." I was working on a small newspaper at the time, & one of my responsibilities was the church page. I became acquainted with all the clergy in town, & "sampled" worship services at a different congregation each week. I also read & prayed, waiting for some indication that "here" or "there" was the part of the Body of Christ whose beliefs I could embrace wholeheartedly. . . one with roots deep in the historical Church, firm in its core doctrines, flexible enough to adapt to the needs of the day, etc. I was invited to attend a series of Lenten mid-week services by a Lutheran pastor, & I accepted. That Maundy Thursday, 1965, I felt as if my soul had found its home.

Boidae, there will always be other Christians who question your faith; they'll criticize the liturgy, disdain the efficacy of the sacraments, & tell you that you haven't truly been born again because you've never made a "decision for Christ" -- a phrase which, by the way, is not in the Bible. Some denominations say you're "saved by grace," but you're kept in relationship with God by your good works, or following a set of rules. Some groups make a great to-do about things not specified in scripture; Luther called these things "adiaphora” – things not essential to faith. These could certainly include a lot of human-made rules & regulations that a Christian must follow to remain in Christ. When you feel your faith is being challenged or questioned, do what Luther advised – repeat to yourself, “I am baptized!” & therefore a child of God. Other Christians may disagree with you on many points, but if you cling to Christ & ask Him to strengthen your faith, & seek fellowship with other like-minded Christians, you’ll experience the peace that passes understanding that Jesus talked about. I didn’t read any “Baptist-bashing” attitude in your posting. On the contrary, many varieties of Christians believe their God-appointed duty is to make other (maybe not ‘real’) Christians to “see the light,” pray the sinner’s prayer (also not in scripture) & accept Jesus as their personal Savior (phrase also not in scripture). Be respectful to them as a brother or sister in Christ, but don’t buy into their interpretation of the faith unless you feel sincerely led by God.
One more thing – hurray for not being a King James Only Christian. Some of the veneration given to that version of scripture borders on worship, in my opinion. Jesus spoke to the people in their contemporary language – often Aramaic. Surely he spoke Hebrew in the Temple, but with the ordinary folks, he used their ordinary, colloquial language. Blessings to you, Boidae!

Now here you have another responding to YOUR OP INSERTION OF THE KJV ONLY ISSUE IN THIS THREAD.

You started it, and if you want me to not talk about it then you need to tell everybody else, including your Lutheran supporters, not to discuss it....but I really don't see how you can do that since you started it yourself in the OP

SaintJoeNow · May 22, 2015

SaintJoeNow said:
Now here you have another responding to YOUR OP INSERTION OF THE KJV ONLY ISSUE IN THIS THREAD.

You started it, and if you want me to not talk about it then you need to tell everybody else, including your Lutheran supporters, not to discuss it....but I really don't see how you can do that since you started it yourself in the OP

But don't worry, it is not the main issue of this thread and I certainly don't want to make it the main issue....I get tired of people believing God's word has errors, I get tired of arguing with them and I really don't want to do it here...but since you started it in the OP, I certainly will state I believe God's word is preserved without error in English when it seems to fit the discussion.

Boidae · May 22, 2015

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SaintJoeNow said:
If you don't want it discussed, you should have left it out of your OP. You trashed a Baptist pastor by saying he had a look of disgust on his face when you told him you don't use the KJV. You started it in your OP. It is part of the topic you created for the thread. Next time, don't put it in your OP if you don't want people to talk about it.
Sorry...the thread seems to have gone in many directions, I was not the first to introduce the issue of modern versions casting doubt on the veracity of God's word, it seems some far back were using the concept of many versions of God's word as proof that their denomination was batter than the Baptists who sent that pastor to your door, remember, the one you spoke of as being rude and insensitive when he visited you and was concerned about you being sure your sins are forgiven and that you are going to heaven?

I think you also quickly admitted that from the start of your thread, your questions about Baptist belief were not questions at all, but rhetorical questions to make statements against Baptists and specifically against KJV only Baptists.....against KJV only Baptists is strongly implied in your OP, against Baptists in generally is practically plainly stated by you as you said they are not your "cup of tea".

Once again Joe you are speaking falsehoods about me. You are bearing false witness against me and I am once again going to ask you to stop.

I never admitted that my questions were rhetorical questions, I stated that they are questions because I wanted to know more, as in I was curious. I have not made any statements against Baptists and is a bold faced lie by you to imply otherwise. I did not trash that pastor by stating that he had a look of disgust. It was a facial expression that he used and I merely stated that he had it. That is not trashing anyone, but rather stating a fact.

I stated that the Baptist faith is not my cup of tea, yes, it's a figure of speech. What I mean is that Baptist theology doesn't line up with what I believe. It is not the insult that you are taking it to be.

Now, please stop lying and speaking falsehoods about me when my words are plain to see and they are not saying what you have said they are saying.

Boidae · May 22, 2015

No more talk of KJV or any other version within my thread. It is now off-topic.

graphuto · May 22, 2015

What don't people understand about the new versions blatantly changing and really messing up core doctrine?
I know that the NIV calls Jesus, Satan in a not so round-about way.

The NIV in Hosea 11:12 says "And Judah is unruly against God", while the KJV says "but Judah yet ruled with God."

The NIV, ESV, NAS, etc say in Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;"
"who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,"
"who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,"

while the King James says : "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".

These are just a few examples from off the top of my head, but don't you guys see the seriousness of this?

Edit : I'm sorry, it took me awhile to construct this post and I didn't see the above.

Boidae · May 22, 2015

graphuto said:
What don't people understand about the new versions blatantly changing and really messing up core doctrine?
I know that the NIV calls Jesus, Satan in a not so round-about way.

The NIV in Hosea 11:12 says "And Judah is unruly against God", while the KJV says "but Judah yet ruled with God."

The NIV, ESV, NAS, etc say in Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;"
"who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,"
"who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,"

while the King James says : "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".

These are just a few examples from off the top of my head, but don't you guys see the seriousness of this?

You were probably typing this reply out when I posted that I do not want anymore talk of the KJV or any other Bible version within my thread as I now consider it off-topic.

Thank you!

Job8 · May 22, 2015

Boidae said:
Nope, because I explained to him how I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and then how I was baptized by immersion. I was clear on that.

That should have been the end of the discussion.

He just seemed to have an issue with me being Lutheran because he even asked how long I have been Lutheran.

Had he asked you if you would be interested in knowing what he believed and why it would have made more sense.

You can't assess a Christian group by one individual. By the same token there was a time when "Baptist" meant a born-again Bible-believing Christian. That may not be the case any longer, since many Baptists are compromising their beliefs.

Saricharity · May 22, 2015

Wowsas! I have never seen so many new people on a thread here before. Who emailed who? And what made this such a hot topic?
The answer is simple... NO, baptists do not believe they are the ONLY true faith. It's ridiculous to think that. Believers can exist in any Christian faith if they believe Gods Holy Word and follow it ....believe in The Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.
Salvation is a free gift given by the Grace of God so that we shall not boast.

I am concerned for people's salvation. I am concerned if they pick and chose what is truth in scripture. I am concerned when people twist scripture to make it say what they want so they can do what is right in their own eyes.
I don't believe I'm right and saved because I'm baptist. I believe I am saved because I trusted in the finish work of Christ. I confessed my sins and asked Jesus to be the Lord of my life.
I want to share the hope I have in Christ so others don't spend eternity separated from God.
The thought of that sucks my breath away.
My passion is to share with as many as I can.
It's not about a denomination being right and others wrong. It's not about us. It's about others and Christ. People are dying and being lost and our hearts should break with that realization. So much so that it gets us off our high horses of who is right and who is wrong and we put our words to work...being the hands and feet of a Christ to fulfil the great commission.

graphuto · May 22, 2015

I'd say that it really is quite important for everyone to be pinned down on their doctrine. Half of what Paul wrote down was about being wary of false prophets and teachers and those among us that would bring false doctrine.

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