If you can call the Holy Spirit God, why can't you call God the Son?

Kristin E said:

But the Holy Spirit is NOT God...
Its all in the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit as 3 in 1.
They are 3 distinct individuals in 1 unison.
Jesus and the Holy Spirit have to do the will of God because He's the head of it all.

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The Holy Spirit is indeed God. I believe you are mistaking the priority within the Godhead ("the Head of Christ is God [the Father]) with the essence of the Godhead (each Divine Person is God, yet there is only ONE GOD). Once again, we are dealing with the Mystery of God, so we need to limit the application of human reasoning to matters which transcend our reasoning.

Job8 said:

The Holy Spirit is indeed God. I believe you are mistaking the priority within the Godhead ("the Head of Christ is God [the Father]) with the essence of the Godhead (each Divine Person is God, yet there is only ONE GOD). Once again, we are dealing with the Mystery of God, so we need to limit the application of human reasoning to matters which transcend our reasoning.

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The Holy Sprit is not God, He's a part of the Godhead. There is different parts, they are three different persons. Although they work in one accord. The holy spirit is on earth, God and Jesus are up in heaven.

Kristin E said:

The Holy Sprit is not God, He's a part of the Godhead. There is different parts, they are three different persons. Although they work in one accord. The holy spirit is on earth, God and Jesus are up in heaven.

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The Holy Spirit -- because He is both God and Spirit - is both in Heaven and on earth. Note what John says in the book of Revelation 22:17. Both the Spirit and the Bride in those visions were in Heaven, even while the Holy Spirit was on earth. Since God is everywhere (OMNIPRESENT) all three Persons of the Godhead are everywhere, and yet they are in Heaven. Don't try to use human reasoning on something that is beyond you reasoning powers.

Job8 said:

The Holy Spirit -- because He is both God and Spirit - is both in Heaven and on earth. Note what John says in the book of Revelation 22:17. Both the Spirit and the Bride in those visions were in Heaven, even while the Holy Spirit was on earth. Since God is everywhere (OMNIPRESENT) all three Persons of the Godhead are everywhere, and yet they are in Heaven. Don't try to use human reasoning on something that is beyond you reasoning powers.

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Revelation is in the future, that vision is what is to come it's not now... So basically that being said the Holy Spirit is on Earth, and Jesus and God are in Heaven.
Did I ever say that Jesus and God The Father were not omnipresent? Nope, never said that.
Again I stand the Holy Spirit is a part of the God head He is distinct, just like Jesus, and God the Father are distinct yet they are 3 in 1.

I don't think you understand what I am trying to say, I am not denoting the Holy Spirit, BUT He is not meant to take the place of God the Father. They are all of one accord, but yet they all have distinct personalities.

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Kristin E said:

Revelation is in the future, that vision is what is to come it's not now... So basically that being said the Holy Spirit is on Earth, and Jesus and God are in Heaven.
Did I ever say that Jesus and God The Father were not omnipresent? Nope, never said that.
Again I stand the Holy Spirit is a part of the God head He is distinct, just like Jesus, and God the Father are distinct yet they are 3 in 1.

I don't think you understand what I am trying to say, I am not denoting the Holy Spirit, BUT He is not meant to take the place of God the Father. They are all of one accord, but yet they all have distinct personalities.

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1 Corinthians 10:20 Rather, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to idol deamonic beings as gods and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with idols or deamonic beings as gods. (21) You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of deamonic beings as gods; you cannot partake of the Lord"s table and of the table of idols.
1Co 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none God but one.
Here it is the gods believed by the worshippers to be represented by the idols which are denied to have any existence which delude the worshippers.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be idol deamonic beings as gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

An idol is really what the heathen thought it to be, a god, and that in eating idol-meats they had fellowship with the god. This verse guards against such an inference: “What would I say then? that a thing sacrificed to an idol is any real thing (in the sense that the heathen regard it), or that an idol is any real thing?” (The oldest manuscripts read the words in this order. Supply “Nay”)

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to impostors of spirits and teachings of demonic beings" (I Timothy 4:1)
We must acknowledge the source of the false teaching; Pagan pluralism, of idol deamonic beings, as the false teachers to truly appreciate the seriousness of heresy.
The Bible gives only a few specific doctrines with which imposters of spirits, heresy or false teachers are directly associated. No doctrine is treated as if holy or immune from criticism.

Joel 2:28-“And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. ...I will pour out my Spirit in those days.

he-man said:

]1 Corinthians 10:20 Rather, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to idol deamonic beings as gods and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with idols or deamonic beings as gods. (21) You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of deamonic beings as gods; you cannot partake of the Lord"s table and of the table of idols.
1Co 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none God but one.
Here it is the gods believed by the worshippers to be represented by the idols which are denied to have any existence which delude the worshippers.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be idol deamonic beings as gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

An idol is really what the heathen thought it to be, a god, and that in eating idol-meats they had fellowship with the god. This verse guards against such an inference: “What would I say then? that a thing sacrificed to an idol is any real thing (in the sense that the heathen regard it), or that an idol is any real thing?” (The oldest manuscripts read the words in this order. Supply “Nay”)

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to impostors of spirits and teachings of demonic beings" (I Timothy 4:1)
We must acknowledge the source of the false teaching; Pagan pluralism, of idol deamonic beings, as the false teachers to truly appreciate the seriousness of heresy.
The Bible gives only a few specific doctrines with which imposters of spirits, heresy or false teachers are directly associated. No doctrine is treated as if holy or immune from criticism.

Joel 2:28-“And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. ...I will pour out my Spirit in those days.

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Are you calling me a Pagan? No thanks, I tried that once and it wasn't for me.

I believe in God The Father, Jesus Christ The Son, and The Holy Spirit, I believe they are 3 in 1.
Do I believe that The Holy Spirit is from God? YES, BUT with that being said I believe He is NOT God the Father.
Why? because although they are 3 in 1, they are still 3 distinct separate persons that make up the God head.
They are emanations OF GOD, but they are NOT GOD The Father.
God has 3 distinct personalities that are real individualistic person(S), Himself as The Father, Himself as The Son, and The Holy Spirit.
If God the Father did NOT exist than Jesus The Son (God in the flesh), and The Holy Spirit would not exist because they are emanations from Him.
What you are teaching is not Trinitarian, but is Oneness and that belief is a false doctrinal belief.

Do you grasp what I am saying here? I am not denying or denoting The Holy Spirit...
I am not saying He is not GOD perse', but what I am saying is He is NOT God The Father, period.
Even Jesus said that we are to pray to the Father in His name.
Yes we can worship Jesus AS GOD in the Flesh that died for our sins, and The Holy Spirit but God will always sit on the throne.
Even Jesus said when He dies He will sit at Gods right hand, that clearly states that God the Father is the HEAD of the Trinity.
Jesus also said He came to do Who's will? The Fathers will. We must NOT forget The Father!

Do not take Gods right to sit on that throne!
Jesus sent the Holy Spirit down to earth as what? A COMFORTER! The Holy Spirit again is NOT GOD THE FATHER! He is The Holy Spirit.
Jesus is ALSO NOT God The Father, although He IS GOD IN THE FLESH, do you see what I am saying? He is God incarnate, but He also does NOT take Gods throne.

"Oneness Pentecostalism derives its distinctive name from its teaching on the Godhead, which is popularly referred to as the Oneness doctrine.[3] This doctrine states that there is one God, a singular divine Spirit, who manifests himself in many ways, including as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (a.k.a. Holy Spirit). This stands in sharp contrast to the doctrine of three distinct and eternal "persons" posited by Trinitarian theology. Oneness believers baptize in the name of Jesus Christ, commonly referred to as Jesus-name baptism, rather than using the Trinitarian formula."

I am NOT Oneness NOR will I ever be Oneness, they are three distinct person(s) they are NOT ONE!

"The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (from Latin trinitas "triad", from trinus "threefold")[1] defines God as three consubstantial persons,[2] expressions, or hypostases:[3] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit; "one God in three persons". The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature".[4] In this context, a "nature" is what one is, while a "person" is who one is."

I believe in the TRINITY.

Tertullian's refutation of Praxeas;

I bid you also observe, that on my side I advance the passage where the Father said to the Son, 'Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten Thee.' If you want me to believe Him to be both the Father and the Son [i.e., simultaneously two persons but each is God] show me some other passage where it is declared, 'The Lord said unto Himself, I am my own Son, to-day have I begotten myself;' or again, 'Before the morning did I beget myself;' and likewise, 'I the Lord possessed Myself in the beginning of my ways for my own works; before all the hills, too, did I beget myself;' and whatever other passages are to the same effect. Why, moreover, could God the Lord of all things, have hesitated to speak thus of Himself, if the fact had been so? (Tertullian, Latin Christianity (Scaff ed.) Ch. XI.)

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Meta Tron said:

Tertullian's refutation of Praxeas;

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The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the idea to their own faith. They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognised the mysterious and undefined existence of the Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One, and the Apostles' Creed, which is the earliest of the formulated articles of Christian faith, does not mention it. = Aristotle, On the Heavens, I.

The idea of a co-equal Trinity, however, offers a reasonable means of expressing the inexpressible; but it must not be forgotten that Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word " Trinity" appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord; and the origin of the conception is entirely pagan.[ Page 197 Paganism in our Christianity, Weigall]

Kristin E said:

But the Holy Spirit is NOT God...

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Kristin - I think you are running into the same issue that the OP was writing about. Your word choice is saying something OTHER than what you are actually trying to say.

In a later post you said "The Holy Spirit again is NOT GOD THE FATHER!" That is much more clear. But in the former statemen you are claiming the Holy Spirit is not divine; which He clearly is.

God is NOT just the Father. The Trinity is made up of Father Son and Spirit. All are God; but not all of God.

Gottservant said:

If you can call the Holy Spirit God, why can't you call God the Son?

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That sounds problematic. Luckily this is no problem for disciple of Jesus. Many things can be called gods. For example like in these:

God presides in the great assembly. He judges among the gods.
Psalms 82:1

I said, "You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High. Nevertheless you shall die like men, And fall like one of the rulers."
Psalms 82:6-7

Now it happened n the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Yahweh, that Satan also came among them.
Job 1:6

Even Satan could be called god. However for us, disciples of Jesus, there is only one true God like Paul says in this:

For though there are things that are called "gods," whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many "gods" and many "lords;" yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
1 Corinthians 8:4-6

Paul said also this:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5

But I understand if you don’t agree with Paul, after all, he is not like the original twelve apostles and not Jesus. But if you don’t believe Jesus, when he says:

I said 'I am going to my Father;' for the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works…
John 14:10-14

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

…it is not good if you don’t believe Jesus, because:

It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
John 6:63

Truly, truly I tell you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death at all.
John. 8:51

1213 said:

That sounds problematic. Luckily this is no problem for disciple of Jesus. Many things can be called gods. For example like in these: God presides in the great assembly. He judges among the gods.

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In the Fourth Century B.C. Aristotle wrote: "All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods; for, as the Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bounded by threes, for the end, the middle, and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the Trinity."'
The ancient Egyptians, whose influence on early religious thought was profound, usually arranged their gods or goddesses in trinities: there was the trinity of Osiris, Isis, and Horus, the trinity of Amen, Mut, and Khonsu, the trinity of Khnum, Satis, and Anukis, and so forth. The Hindu trinity of Brahman, Siva, and Vishnu is another of the many and widespread instances of this theological conception. The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the idea to their own faith. They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognised the mysterious and undefined existence of the Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One, and the Apostles' Creed, which is the earliest of the formulated articles of Christian faith, does not mention it/b]. Aristotle, On the Heavens,i.
The application of this old pagan conception of a Trinity to Christian theology was made possible by the recognition of the Holy Spirit as the required third "Person," co-equal with the other " Person" The idea of the Holy Spirit, as an emanation from God, had been known to the Jews from early times; but the Hebrew word which was used was roach, literally meaning "wind" or "breath," this being translated into Greek as imeurna, which has precisely that significance, the action of the Spirit being described theologically as "pneumatic." Thus, in the Book of Genesis, where it is related that God breathed into Adam's nostrils the breath of life, the reference is to this Spirit, which had also moved upon the face of the waters in the earlier act of creation; and Job' speaks of the Spirit of God as being in his nostrils, and says: "The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life."
This conception of the Holy Spirit as the wind, or breath, of life is found in other ancient religions, and is clearly revealed in the prayer to the god; x Job xxvii. 3; xxxiii. 4;.Page 199 CHAPTER XVIII THE TRINITY

he-man said:

In the Fourth Century B.C. Aristotle wrote: "All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods; for, as the Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bounded by threes, for the end, the middle, and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the Trinity."'
The ancient Egyptians, whose influence on early religious thought was profound, usually arranged their gods or goddesses in trinities: there was the trinity of Osiris, Isis, and Horus, the trinity of Amen, Mut, and Khonsu, the trinity of Khnum, Satis, and Anukis, and so forth. The Hindu trinity of Brahman, Siva, and Vishnu is another of the many and widespread instances of this theological conception. The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the idea to their own faith. They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognised the mysterious and undefined existence of the Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One, and the Apostles' Creed, which is the earliest of the formulated articles of Christian faith, does not mention it/b]. Aristotle, On the Heavens,i.
The application of this old pagan conception of a Trinity to Christian theology was made possible by the recognition of the Holy Spirit as the required third "Person," co-equal with the other " Person" The idea of the Holy Spirit, as an emanation from God, had been known to the Jews from early times; but the Hebrew word which was used was roach, literally meaning "wind" or "breath," this being translated into Greek as imeurna, which has precisely that significance, the action of the Spirit being described theologically as "pneumatic." Thus, in the Book of Genesis, where it is related that God breathed into Adam's nostrils the breath of life, the reference is to this Spirit, which had also moved upon the face of the waters in the earlier act of creation; and Job' speaks of the Spirit of God as being in his nostrils, and says: "The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life."
This conception of the Holy Spirit as the wind, or breath, of life is found in other ancient religions, and is clearly revealed in the prayer to the god; x Job xxvii. 3; xxxiii. 4;.Page 199 CHAPTER XVIII THE TRINITY

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Not the same, and perhaps the perception of the difference is marred by not perceiving the subtle difference between "trinity" and "triune."

As you have noted, "trinity" merely refers to "three" that can be wholly separate individuals--even humans. "Triune" emphasizes the unity of three "persons" as moral agents and specifically not three separate individuals. All the Nicene Creed does is acknowledge characteristics of identity and relationships, from which a "triune" nature can be derived...but "trinity" falls somewhat short of an ideal term.

he-man said:

...but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One, and the Apostles' Creed, which is the earliest of the formulated articles of Christian faith, does not mention it/b]. ...

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I think it would be wise to remain in Biblical teaching, and not develop own doctrines.

Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that no idol is anything in the world, and that there is no other God but one. For though there are things that are called "gods," whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many "gods" and many "lords;" yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
1 Corinthians 8:4-6

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

I don’t understand why Bible is not enough for “Christians” and why they want to twist it to be like some ancient pagan belief system.

1213 said:

I think it would be wise to remain in Biblical teaching, and not develop own doctrines. I don’t understand why Bible is not enough for “Christians” and why they want to twist it to be like some ancient pagan belief system.

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Where do you think he Cannons came from???
but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One, and the Apostles' Creed, which is the earliest of the formulated articles of Christian faith, does not mention it