Why you should not buy Apple computers

I'm not an Apple person and I never have been. I think they are overpriced. Mostly, I'm replying to subscribe because there is a chance that this topic will turn caustic and be entertaining.

You can build a more capable PC for much less than the equivalent Mac, and have the ability to actually do stuff to it.

The Bible Study software Logos/Verbum/Noet has been reported to run slow on Mac. This may change somewhat in about a year due to new programming possibilities that are introduced now. But if You run that software You will need lots of RAM (yes, even for just the Bible Study software) - I would say 16 GB of RAM is not enough at least not if You use the capabilities of the software. You may get away with 16 GB. Less RAM is a disaster unless You run the Accordance Bible Study software (which is a great software and they have great books and You may get away cheaper, and it runs very fast).
With a Mac You need to keep the operative system up-to-date at all times.
The issue about where Macs are manufactured is the real disaster.
Also I wouldn't want to support an all-American company like Apple.
The last Mac I had myself was an '80s model.

Loving my 2012 mac mini~~~love OSX more than the hardware but too lazy to build a hackintosh...still, it will be my last apple purchase as I work towards dual-booting linux and eventually moving that direction in the future...still, Mavericks has worked out pretty well for me though I figure Leopard will forever be my "favorite" OS ever

..all that said there is a Windows 7 laptop and Windows 8.1 desktop in the house too

Cute Tink said:

I'm not an Apple person and I never have been. I think they are overpriced. Mostly, I'm replying to subscribe because there is a chance that this topic will turn caustic and be entertaining.

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I'm from the old school; Mac's are for people who drive Toyota's: They don't want to ever have to get under the hood and fix anything.
Is that enough caustic for you.

Unix said:

The Bible Study software Logos/Verbum/Noet has been reported to run slow on Mac. This may change somewhat in about a year due to new programming possibilities that are introduced now. But if You run that software You will need lots of RAM (yes, even for just the Bible Study software) - I would say 16 GB of RAM is not enough at least not if You use the capabilities of the software. You may get away with 16 GB. Less RAM is a disaster unless You run the Accordance Bible Study software (which is a great software and they have great books and You may get away cheaper, and it runs very fast).
With a Mac You need to keep the operative system up-to-date at all times.
The issue about where Macs are manufactured is the real disaster.
Also I wouldn't want to support an all-American company like Apple.
The last Mac I had myself was an '80s model.

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Why would you need 16 GB of RAM; is this Bible software like games; full of graphics? Something wrong with American companies? U.S. companies
were the fastest growing in the world last year. Apple has brought some of it's manufacturing to the us last couple of years:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...acturing-China-US-new-line-Mac-computers.html

In need of a new computer, I will probably just get a pre built system. Avoiding the major hassle of having to build it myself.

Ah, anybody can build a computer. The parts to build a PC have become very standardized over the years. All you really have to worry about is matching your processor with the motherboard socket(which is listed on both, so no big deal), and get a decent power supply.
And of course check the reviews to make sure you don't buy junky parts.

mnorian said:

I'm from the old school; Mac's are for people who drive Toyota's: They don't want to ever have to get under the hood and fix anything.
Is that enough caustic for you.

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Not so much. That's a fair point. I have issues with how little control Apple allows for the end user. I like opening up the box and upgrading the innards if I so choose. I'm probably just as much a control freak as Apple is, which is probably why we clash

And I used to have a Toyota. I'm sure it's still running for someone out there.

I've always found Apple objectionable. It was overpriced and I could not abide its authoritarian closed software ecosystem. OTOH, MS is no angel either, though at least once you bought the machine you could do what you wanted and the software field was wide open. Now Google is huge, and they too belie their "don't be evil" motto.

With WinX and its built-in keyloggers, and a subscription model looming, the time may finally be approaching to switch to Linux.

Thanks for that site, inlight12.

The keylogger is for the Technical Preview, and isn't going to be part of the final product.
It's intended to see what Windows 10 features will be used the most, how it will be used, what sorts of programs are being run, very useful information to have when you're designing an operating system. :3

No doubt it's useful to MS, but users of the final release will be trusting that it's removed.

Trying to leave it in would be pointless. Attempting such a thing would send their PR(not to mention market share) into the toilet. Plus hackers would find it easily.

C-Man said:

Attempting such a thing would send their PR(not to mention market share) into the toilet.

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I agree, if they got caught. And I also think it had no business being in there in the first place.

mnorian said:

I'm from the old school; Mac's are for people who drive Toyota's: They don't want to ever have to get under the hood and fix anything.
Is that enough caustic for you.

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Change that to Honda~~my 1991 Accord has 328,000 miles on it and still running great

I like most Apple products. My only problem is with some of the security features, designed to help prevent theft, but that can cause problems for honest people. My bag with my iphone, ipad, so much else, was stolen right after I arrived in the US for a year abroad. I bought a replacement ipad from a girl, who seemed legitimate. We met, I checked it out. It worked perfectly, was in good condition. Then I did a restore, to make sure all of her personal information was gone. It asked for her Apple ID and password, which I did not have. I couldn't contact her, as with craigslist, the anon emails people use for selling things stops working after the ad has been deleted. The Apple ID doesn't show the full email address, so I couldn't contact her. I think she didn't know that she had to disconnect the account, as a friend hadn't either when she sold her ipad and the buyer contacted her. I have a very expensive paperweight, lol.

MrJim said:

Change that to Honda~~my 1991 Accord has 328,000 miles on it and still running great

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Mine would be all American--1989 Chevy k3500, 454 4x4; 2001 Buick LeSabre , 2005 Dodge Caravan; all with over 200k miles and still running with original transmissions. Guess that's why I have been driving HP's since the 90's-- after getting rid of that expensive "foreign job" a 1995 IBM Aptiva--as middle of the road as you can get