Why Some Can Not See That DAY Approaching..

ThatTrueLight · May 22, 2015

There's a reason why many here can't see that DAY approaching.. and of course that is because the Spirit of God is the One who does show us things to come.

So when men constantly speak about the past, or that it happened in AD70.. think of what that means..

Straightshot · May 22, 2015

It means that they have been deceived and cannot see through the fog ... not a good thing

This is what has happened to professing Christianity today .... clouded over with man made diversions of many different colors

Interplanner · May 22, 2015

Unless you think that the baggage about a set of events in the middle east etc is not part of that day, and is actually a distraction.

The Thess material was written about things expect to happen very quickly. We know this from the text for several reasons. If compared with Mt 24, it seems to have no allowance for delay, which Mt 24 does.

After the dust of 70AD, I'm not aware of any ECF's who thought that anything could ever happen in Israel again; apparently some did about a hundred years later, according to the former writer here, Biblewriter (you can go read his posts or book on it). But this would not answer the question as to why more things needed to happen in Israel. None of the NT passages on the 2nd coming are dependent on another suite of things happening in Israel.

ThatTrueLight · May 22, 2015

I would agree SS.. we can't rule out the enemy planting his seeds..

ThatTrueLight · May 22, 2015

Interplanner said:
The Thess material was written about things expect to happen very quickly.

And then again, every Christian with Christ in them knows that He hasn't come yet.

Interplanner · May 22, 2015

I'm referring to the "things." All the battles and events supposedly to happen in Israel. That kind of thing (in Thess) was about the 1st century; this is clear from the language details. I was not referring to the 2nd coming in judgement, which will be swift and worldwide and followed by the NHNE.

ThatTrueLight · May 22, 2015

Interplanner said:
I'm referring to the "things." All the battles and events supposedly to happen in Israel. That kind of thing (in Thess) was about the 1st century; this is clear from the language details. I was not referring to the 2nd coming in judgement, which will be swift and worldwide and followed by the NHNE.

The context of 2 Thess 2 is the man of sin.. and of course a piece of that is him being revealed in that Day, and then being destroyed by the brightness of His coming.

Simple FUTURE events for any man with the Spirit of Christ in him.

brinny · May 22, 2015

I am also reminded of how even the elect if were possible, would b e deceived (blinded)
Tragic.

Thank you kindly.

ThatTrueLight · May 22, 2015

brinny said:
I am also reminded of how even the elect if were possible, would b e deceived (blinded)
Tragic.

Thank you kindly.

That's how bad it is going to get before it gets better... a person's only hope is the Sword of the Spirit which is the word of God with which we CAN quench all the fiery darts of that wicked one.

Interplanner · May 22, 2015

The man of sin of the 1st century was destroyed; it didn't happen quite as Thess expected, and it happened in a way that history has gone on afterward from there.

He was the character who was the leader of the 'rebellion that desolates' of Dan 8:13. This expression was then used as the 'abomination that...' so the coming rebellion within Israel was the abomination. It took place shortly after the arrival of Messiah, terminating in the "end" that Dan 9:27 was referring to. That kind of timeline (the 490 years) is why the apostles thought the whole end of the world was due. This rebellion was already underway in the 1st century; from Judas the Galilean in 6 AD to other pockets of rebellion (Acts 21:38; 5:36-37; Jn 18:40).

But as we know, 2 Pet 3 is specifically written to take up this question--or do you think that the 'coming' referred to there is the mistaken idea of Judaism that the physical/politically national kingdom was supposed to start with Christ, like Jn 12:34? I'm quite sure Peter was handling our question: what has delayed the worldwide day of judgement, because there is nothing Judaic about Peter's question or answer, as you know.

It would be very strange if another exact event like this (man of sin at the temple) happened all over again, but I wouldn't want to be any more specific than Rev. 20:7+ which doesn't happen in Israel anyway; it happens worldwide.

ThatTrueLight · May 22, 2015

Interplanner said:
The man of sin of the 1st century was destroyed; it didn't happen quite as Thess expected, and it happened in a way that history has gone on afterward from there.

Every Christian with Christ in their earthen vessel knows that Christ didn't come (again) in the first century.

You're affirming what this thread is about.. not able to see that Day approaching.. and I understand that.

Straightshot · May 22, 2015

"After the dust of 70AD, I'm not aware of any ECF's who thought that anything could ever happen in Israel again"

Do you believe that I care about what others think .... ECF's or any others?

It is the very words of the Lord revealed in His Bible that I trust

And guess what? ..... He can actually be understood

Some spend much time listening to what others think to the extent that the Lord is not heard above the commotion

BABerean2 · May 22, 2015

Straightshot said:
It means that they have been deceived and cannot see through the fog ... not a good thing

This is what has happened to professing Christianity today .... clouded over with man made diversions of many different colors

Like "The Left Behind" books and movies that sit on the shelves of many Christian churches and homes...

ThatTrueLight · May 22, 2015

At least they can SEE that Day approaching.. that is more than I can say for those who can't.

Straightshot · May 22, 2015

"Like "The Left Behind" books and movies"

That too .... a pathetic attempt to explain the Lord's snatching that is on the cusp

And so is your romance with the 70 AD rant just as pathetic

Some people pick up all sorts of human trivia for attempting to discover truth

.... like you do

You will never clarify until you turn to the Lord's Word alone and leave all of the other words of men to the birds, if you know what I mean

I really don't care what you do ... but thanks for the opportunity to tell others the truth

Strong in Him · May 22, 2015

ThatTrueLight said:
There's a reason why many here can't see that DAY approaching.. and of course that is because the Spirit of God is the One who does show us things to come..

Not necessarily.
I believe that Jesus will return one day; I can't say I feel certain that it is imminent or will be in my lifetime, and I'm not particularly watching. I'm just trying to live as God wants me to. Nor am I certain that the Holy Spirit's role is to tell us, in advance, when certain things will happen.

Christians have been expecting Jesus to return ever since he went away. Yes, we have wars and rumours of wars, but it has almost always been like that. I'm sure Christians felt that the end was near while bombs were falling on them during WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam etc. So what makes it different today?

Some of the things that Jesus said, DID refer to, ad happen in, AD 70.
The only thing I really know for certain is that Jesus is going to return, he said that no one knows the day or hour, several have said, (either on this forum or elsewhere) "yes we do" - and everyone has so far been wrong.

ThatTrueLight · May 22, 2015

Strong in Him said:
Not necessarily.
I believe that Jesus will return one day; I can't say I feel certain that it is imminent or will be in my lifetime, and I'm not particularly watching. I'm just trying to live as God wants me to. Nor am I certain that the Holy Spirit's role is to tell us, in advance, when certain things will happen.

Christians have been expecting Jesus to return ever since he went away. Yes, we have wars and rumours of wars, but it has almost always been like that. I'm sure Christians felt that the end was near while bombs were falling on them during WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam etc. So what makes it different today?

Some of the things that Jesus said, DID refer to, ad happen in, AD 70.
The only thing I really know for certain is that Jesus is going to return, he said that no one knows the day or hour, several have said, (either on this forum or elsewhere) "yes we do" - and everyone has so far been wrong.

So you can see that Day approaching, right.. How do you know of things to come outside of the Spirit of God and His word?

Here are the very words of the LORD on the matter.. from John 16

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

ThatTrueLight · May 22, 2015

And of course the Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy.. as the Spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus.

ThatTrueLight · May 22, 2015

Let's take a real life example here.. buying and selling.. there are already plans in motion to eliminate cash and to make everything "online" so to speak.. I can't imagine how men can't see that coming.. and all the technology is in place for marking men and governing their every move.

To me this is painfully obvious.

That was written in the revelation over two thousand years ago and it of course is spot on as all His word is.

The rulers of this world are doing all they can to make men believe that it's in the past.. because they know what's coming in that Day.. probably more so than most Christians do.

Straightshot · May 22, 2015

"The rulers of this world are doing all they can to make men believe that it's in the past"

They are for sure ..... hiding the truth

[Matthew 24: 36-39]

Why Some Can Not See That DAY Approaching..

John 1:9

Member

Newbie

John 1:9

John 1:9

Newbie

John 1:9

everlovin' shiner of light in dark places

John 1:9

Newbie

John 1:9

Member

Newbie

John 1:9

Member

Great is thy faithfulness

John 1:9

John 1:9

John 1:9

Member

Similar threads