Do Baptists Believe They Are The Only True Religion?

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Had a Baptist pastor stop by the apartment today. I guess he was making the rounds. He started questioning me on how I was saved, and made a big deal about me becoming Lutheran. He then asked if I wanted to listen to their radio station and I politely declined and then he proceeded to tell me that we will all stand in front of God on judgement day. He left when I mentioned that I do not read from the King James Bible (He had a look of disgust at that point).

To me it sounded like he was trying to get me to leave the Lutheran church without actually coming right out and saying it.

So are Baptists like Catholics in that they feel they are the one true religion and all must become Baptist to be saved?

One of the reasons that I truly love being a Lutheran is that I have yet to hear any Lutheran claim that Lutheranism is the one true religion and anyone else will not be saved.

*Note I am not trying to get anyone to leave the Baptist faith or denounce the Baptist faith. I Am just curious if this is a regular thing?
There are many different kinds of Baptist. Example: Southern Baptist, American Baptist, Reformed Baptist, General Association of Regular Baptist, Free Will Baptist, Independent Baptist and so on. Within these groups I have found through experience that a few Independent Baptist churches, and even among them there are differences, feel that yes, if your not Baptist your not going to heaven as one ordained deacon verbalized to me in such a church. This is one reason why I wrote may latest book. The Christian Faith: A Quick Guide in Understanding its Inter-Workings. In the end, don't paint all Baptist in this camp, for this position is held by very few, a minority of a minority. Hope this was helpful.
 
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I can't speak for Baptists so I won't but Catholics do not believe nor teach that one must join the Catholic Church to be saved.

I was raised Catholic and they did teach that you had to be a Catholic to go to heaven. They didn't even use the word "saved." That was years ago, though, so things may have changed now.
 
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I was raised Catholic and they did teach that you had to be a Catholic to go to heaven. They didn't even use the word "saved." That was years ago, though, so things may have changed now.
It isn't what the Church teaches.
 
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Wow! With all the misturned words and ill speech over a question I'm just happy I'm Pentecostal. (lol) OP, I truly feel for you as I myself have often asked a question only to have it misinterpreted as vile. Good on you for making yourself clear, more than once. Good on the latter posters for actually giving information requested.
May the good Lord bless you and keep you all.
Man, Quest, I agree. The Christian forum idea is a good one, but Dudes, we've got to remember - same team! Baptist, Pentecostal, Lutheran, etc... The foundation is still Christ. Check out 1 Corinthians 1:12-15 (or so). Is Christ divided? Heck no... Everybody think we can go back to adopting the label of "Christian" before branding ourselves (and most often overshadowing the foundation) with "Baptist," etc...? Just my personal vendetta...
 
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Get back to the Bible, guys. If you're English-speaking, read one in up-to-date English, as the King James version is in old English, and there are some passages which have lost their meaning in modern English. If a doctrine is not plainly stated in the Bible, or is not supported by it or its context, it's been added by your denomination leaders who are sin-stained humans. It's as plain and simple as that. Read it intelligently, without taking statements or verses out of context.

Denominations are merely groups of people who, for one reason or another, have started their own groups which have grown. If a denomination emphasises one part of scripture more than the rest, it may not be interpreting scripture in a balanced way.

If a denomination claims to be Christian it must, by nature, be Christ-centred, not Mary-centred, or Paul-centred, but Jesus-centred. If a denomination says you must eat this or that, and not another type of food, it goes against the account of Peter's experience on the roof of a house where God told him all foods are permissible.

Baptism, in the New Testament, was done by immersion every time, so shouldn't we take that as our example for our churches today? Yes. Is immersion essential to salvation? No, the Bible doesn't say that.

Close! Oh so close....

"Unless you are born of water and the spirit....." - Jesus
"Do you not know that as many of you as have been baptized in Christ have put on Christ?" -Paul
”...what are we do to?" -Jewish hearers to Peter ..... Be baptized for the remission of your sins." -Peter in response
"Go and it will be told to you what you must do" -Jesus to Paul, "Arise and be baptized, washing away your sins." - Annanias to Paul
 
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Get back to the Bible, guys. If you're English-speaking, read one in up-to-date English, as the King James version is in old English, and there are some passages which have lost their meaning in modern English. If a doctrine is not plainly stated in the Bible, or is not supported by it or its context, it's been added by your denomination leaders who are sin-stained humans. It's as plain and simple as that. Read it intelligently, without taking statements or verses out of context.

Denominations are merely groups of people who, for one reason or another, have started their own groups which have grown. If a denomination emphasises one part of scripture more than the rest, it may not be interpreting scripture in a balanced way.

If a denomination claims to be Christian it must, by nature, be Christ-centred, not Mary-centred, or Paul-centred, but Jesus-centred. If a denomination says you must eat this or that, and not another type of food, it goes against the account of Peter's experience on the roof of a house where God told him all foods are permissible.

Baptism, in the New Testament, was done by immersion every time, so shouldn't we take that as our example for our churches today? Yes. Is immersion essential to salvation? No, the Bible doesn't say that.


God did not tell Peter that all foods are permissible! Unclean foods are still not permissible today. Jesus did not eat unclean foods, neither did the disciples, including after Jesus rose from the dead.

The unclean foods in Peter's vision represented Gentiles, and the message was that salvation was for all men, Jew and Gentile, the "clean and the unclean." Scripture explains what Peter's vision meant:

(From Acts 10)

27While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people.28He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.29So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?”

30Cornelius answered: “Three days ago I was in my house praying at this hour, at three in the afternoon. Suddenly a man in shining clothes stood before me31and said, ‘Cornelius, God has heard your prayer and remembered your gifts to the poor.32Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He is a guest in the home of Simon the tanner, who lives by the sea.’33So I sent for you immediately, and it was good of you to come. Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.”

34Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism35but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.36You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.37You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.

39“We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross,40but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen.41He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.42He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.43All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.45The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles.46For they heard them speaking in tonguesband praising God.

Then Peter said,47“Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
 
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I think you need to forgive the guy and stop making an issue trying to make him look bad for being a Baptist. You come to the Baptist forum as a Lutheran and try to make Baptists look bad. Why do you do that? It sounds like you have an issue against Baptists and you are trying to make them look bad.
This isn't "the Baptist forum", this is christianforums - If you want the Baptist forum, visit www.baptistboard.com; like this one, it's a good forum.
 
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There are going to be representatives of every Christian sect that believe their interpretation is the one truth. No religion is immune to the believers on the extreme ends of their membership. The trick is to politely disagree with them, say "Bless you brother" or "Bless you sister" and walk away.
 
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This isn't "the Baptist forum", this is christianforums - If you want the Baptist forum, visit www.baptistboard.com; like this one, it's a good forum.

This congregational forum IS the Baptist forum. There are a number of congregational forums. Please check them out.
 
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First of all, it's not about "religion" it's about "relationship" with Elohim. And secondly, Yeshua [jesus] Himself said that He came only for the lost sheep of Israel. Thirdly, only if you are grafted into Israel, are you in covenant with Elohim through Yeshua, as there is no other Way, except through being grafted in to Israel, through Yeshua who is the Divine Bridegroom of Israel. Now, with that said, who is grafted in then? Those who keep the commandments of YHVH Elohim and were given at Mt. Sinai. Yeshua said that not one jot nor tittle of YAH's Word would be done away with. So why is it that the enemy has succeeded so well in changing the 4th commandment and trying to make everyone think that YHVH's commanded feasts were only for the "jews" and then replaced them with the pagan feasts of christ-mass, ishtar [easter], and the other ones? The commanded feasts of YHVH are for Israel. The jews are but one tribe out of 12. And in YAH's Kingdom where Yeshua is our King, there are only 12 gates, no gentile gates.
 
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From what I have heard Baptists believe that baptism is "necessary" for salvation which I believe is false. Then they claim that the only baptism acceptable is the one by Immersion. That belief is false too. Furthermore they reject Infant baptism and that's what further complicate things. Now the reason why he made your being a Lutheran a big deal is because pretty much every christian denomination (including lutherans) approve and practice infant baptism except for Baptists who believe it to be unbiblical which is false conclusion. Hence he would have wanted you to be Baptised once again .

None of the Baptist churches I have gone to believe that baptism is necessary for salvation. It is a matter of obedience and done as an outward sign of an inward change.

And they accepted those baptized in other churches by sprinkling.

Please review the Baptist Statement of Faith which includes:
A few things to know about what Baptists believe:
1. The Believers Baptism (credobaptism) – We believe that baptism should be by immersion and that it is an outward symbol of of an inward change that has already occurred.
 
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Had a Baptist pastor stop by the apartment today. I guess he was making the rounds. He started questioning me on how I was saved, and made a big deal about me becoming Lutheran. He then asked if I wanted to listen to their radio station and I politely declined and then he proceeded to tell me that we will all stand in front of God on judgement day. He left when I mentioned that I do not read from the King James Bible (He had a look of disgust at that point).

To me it sounded like he was trying to get me to leave the Lutheran church without actually coming right out and saying it.

So are Baptists like Catholics in that they feel they are the one true religion and all must become Baptist to be saved?

One of the reasons that I truly love being a Lutheran is that I have yet to hear any Lutheran claim that Lutheranism is the one true religion and anyone else will not be saved.

*Note I am not trying to get anyone to leave the Baptist faith or denounce the Baptist faith. I Am just curious if this is a regular thing?


Boidae,

You left out some very important facts. You cannot get a proper answer without them. What type of Baptist was he? Southern, Conservative, Converge, American, Free Will, Fundamentalist, etc? Also, was he a Calvinist?

Also, what type of Lutheran are you? Are you Missouri Synod? ELCA? etc? Do you consider yourself to be a Protestant?

It sounds as if this Baptist whoever, had an understanding of the doctrine of salvation. Do you?

All of these things are very important. They reveal the level of your understanding and commitment. Right now I see neither understanding or commitment.

You said, "One of the reasons that I truly love being a Lutheran is that I have yet to hear any Lutheran claim that Lutheranism is the one true religion and anyone else will not be saved." This statement makes it sound like to me that you haven't a clue about God and His Son. I must be blunt. What an absolutely ignorant reason for being anything. Go join a golf club or something, that will be as spiritually beneficial to you as your current state of spirituality. I browsed a few of the replies. Most appear to be in your category. So follow their advice and you will both fall into a ditch.

Disgusted,
Zeke25
 
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Had a Baptist pastor stop by the apartment today. I guess he was making the rounds. He started questioning me on how I was saved, and made a big deal about me becoming Lutheran. He then asked if I wanted to listen to their radio station and I politely declined and then he proceeded to tell me that we will all stand in front of God on judgement day. He left when I mentioned that I do not read from the King James Bible (He had a look of disgust at that point).

To me it sounded like he was trying to get me to leave the Lutheran church without actually coming right out and saying it.

So are Baptists like Catholics in that they feel they are the one true religion and all must become Baptist to be saved?

One of the reasons that I truly love being a Lutheran is that I have yet to hear any Lutheran claim that Lutheranism is the one true religion and anyone else will not be saved.

*Note I am not trying to get anyone to leave the Baptist faith or denounce the Baptist faith. I Am just curious if this is a regular thing?

I think you just got a bad one. Baptist isn't a religion, it's a denomination. Our views and interpretations, while different than other denominations, may be justified and backed by Scripture. The Truth does not depend on religion or denomination, but is Christ. Those who accept Him and His Word and His Spirit welcome the Will of God, and that's the True people of God.
 
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God did not tell Peter that all foods are permissible! Unclean foods are still not permissible today. Jesus did not eat unclean foods, neither did the disciples, including after Jesus rose from the dead.

If you choose to follow some of the old law, you must choose to follow it all. Do you?
Yes, the early disciples and even some of the apostles had issues with Judaism hanging around in their minds and lives. Judaizing teachers were a big problem in the early church. Some problems still remain it would seem. Careful study of the book of Romans - written by Paul, once the Jew's Jew, taught by whom some say was the greatest rabbi of the time, Gamaliel - clearly shows this converted Jew trying to impress upon those Christians that the old law was no longer in force. Rom. 7:6: “But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.”
If someone chooses to follow some dietary practice for his own reasons, then so be it. Blunt to try to bind that on every Christian living under the New Testament covenant is not understanding that Christ's death was the end of the old law. For a testament is not in force until the death of the testator. An honest study without bias is essential to finding truth. Paul knew this better than most. He was the Jew sent to the Gentiles. But he still struggl d to get the Hebrews to understand their way of life which they associated with their relationship to the creator, was to change and held no benefit anymore over a Gentile. Circumcision, sacrifice of animals, culinary law (save one- see below), priesthood, the temple itself - all undone on the cross.

A group of converted gentiles had some questions. They asked the elders at the church at Jeruselem. Those elders, some of which were apostles having been with Jesus, wrote back to them the following letter. If there were ever an opportunity ripe to tell a newly formed group of gentile converts that they must adhere to all or certain sections of the old law, this was it. But they did not do so.
Acts:15
22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers,

23 with the following letter: "The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions,

25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth.

28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:

29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."

Here we see the only culinary law referred to in the NT - blood, don't eat it and take precautions against such, hence the part about "things strangled" because those things would not have been bled in any way. So I too would say it good to avoid eating blood.

This happened, by the way, after Peter's vision that led to the conversion of Cornelius. Peter was one of those apostles in Jeruselem that was party to this letter, so it would seem that he understood his vision a little deeper than has been suggested.
 
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Had a Baptist pastor stop by the apartment today. I guess he was making the rounds. He started questioning me on how I was saved, and made a big deal about me becoming Lutheran. He then asked if I wanted to listen to their radio station and I politely declined and then he proceeded to tell me that we will all stand in front of God on judgement day. He left when I mentioned that I do not read from the King James Bible (He had a look of disgust at that point).

To me it sounded like he was trying to get me to leave the Lutheran church without actually coming right out and saying it.

So are Baptists like Catholics in that they feel they are the one true religion and all must become Baptist to be saved?

One of the reasons that I truly love being a Lutheran is that I have yet to hear any Lutheran claim that Lutheranism is the one true religion and anyone else will not be saved.

*Note I am not trying to get anyone to leave the Baptist faith or denounce the Baptist faith. I Am just curious if this is a regular thing?

God bless you
As a child I attended a Lutheran church and later in life I received my training in the Baptist seminary and I think they are both good as far as that goes but we know that the church can not save us. If we put our trust in being a Baptist or what ever we are lost for God is not going to require from us what church we belonged to but what we did with His Word, Jesus Christ. As far as most 'Christian' folk believing that they only have the trueth and if you don't belong to their group you are lost, of course we know it is a lie of the devil just as he told Eve that he has the way.
God has His children everywhere led by the Spirit - not the church.
I would thank the Baptist pastor and let him go on his way for only God can grant revelation.
What ever church I go to is just fine but when the church leaves the Word than I would stay with the Word and leave the church.
 
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God did not tell Peter that all foods are permissible! Unclean foods are still not permissible today. Jesus did not eat unclean foods, neither did the disciples, including after Jesus rose from the dead.

The unclean foods in Peter's vision represented Gentiles, and the message was that salvation was for all men, Jew and Gentile, the "clean and the unclean." Scripture explains what Peter's vision meant:

(From Acts 10)

27While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people.28He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.29So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?”

30Cornelius answered: “Three days ago I was in my house praying at this hour, at three in the afternoon. Suddenly a man in shining clothes stood before me31and said, ‘Cornelius, God has heard your prayer and remembered your gifts to the poor.32Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He is a guest in the home of Simon the tanner, who lives by the sea.’33So I sent for you immediately, and it was good of you to come. Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.”

34Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism35but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.36You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.37You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.

39“We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross,40but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen.41He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.42He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.43All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.45The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles.46For they heard them speaking in tonguesband praising God.

Then Peter said,47“Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
 
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Had a Baptist pastor stop by the apartment today. I guess he was making the rounds. He started questioning me on how I was saved, and made a big deal about me becoming Lutheran. He then asked if I wanted to listen to their radio station and I politely declined and then he proceeded to tell me that we will all stand in front of God on judgement day. He left when I mentioned that I do not read from the King James Bible (He had a look of disgust at that point).

To me it sounded like he was trying to get me to leave the Lutheran church without actually coming right out and saying it.

So are Baptists like Catholics in that they feel they are the one true religion and all must become Baptist to be saved?

One of the reasons that I truly love being a Lutheran is that I have yet to hear any Lutheran claim that Lutheranism is the one true religion and anyone else will not be saved.

*Note I am not trying to get anyone to leave the Baptist faith or denounce the Baptist faith. I Am just curious if this is a regular thing?
All religions are of man. I think you would be safe to just believe in the Lord and worship Him and leave religions behind.
 
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God did not tell Peter that all foods are permissible! Unclean foods are still not permissible today. Jesus did not eat unclean foods, neither did the disciples, including after Jesus rose from the dead.
The unclean foods in Peter's vision represented Gentiles, and the message was that salvation was for all men, Jew and Gentile, the "clean and the unclean." Scripture explains what Peter's vision meant.
God may not have told PETER that all foods are permissible; but He has told us through Acts 15:28-29 that the distinction between clean and unclean species need no longer effect our diet. Two classes of food remained forbidden at that time, but as we now understand that the blood of animals is no longer offered to make atonement on the altar, we are no longer under any obligation to abstain from eating it; and while it is not generally a good idea to eat animals that have died of themselves or been strangled, we know that it is not that which entereth into a man that defiles him, but that which comes out of him.
 
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you are correct that God was revealing to Peter His love for Jews AND Gentiles in Acts 10, but Christ Himself said in Matthew 15 "10 And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.” ". Dietary laws were given for their health because 'unclean' foods could cause illness or parasite infestation.
 
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