rules and DID

No, not a whole lot of counselling. All healing is done by Jesus. Not so easy to explain. In scripture it clearly says Jesus came to heal the broken hearted (DID) and to set the captives free. Therefore to re-integrate DID may involve either or both deliverance ministry and inner healing, but not always.

As for where does Discernment of Spirits come into it with regards to DID? It doesn't really directly, other than it helps to deal with demons by seeing them, and some of the issues they bring. The parts needs to be cleared of all demons, if they are there, before re-integration can take place. Sometimes there are no demons, but often there is.

I can only share experiences that I have directly being involved with myself - my daughter has a very strong gifting in this area - I don't. Anyway, during one session a part (5-year old) surfaced in a 30-year old lady. My daughter actually saw a little 5-year old girl stand next to the 30-year old (both being the same lady. One was in the flesh or natural, and one was in the spirit and was 5-years old). The 5-year old then climbed onto the lap of the 30-year old self, and as Jesus brought about the healing, the 5-year old disappeared and the 30-year old lady was made whole.

Sorry, I think I just rattled off a lot, and it probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Happy to discuss or chat more.

No - actually it makes a LOT of sense. I do understand the scriptural basis.

But I know that HE works different ways with different people. Some have instantaneous results and others go thru a process. (hence the Q about the counseling). And I see exactly what you are saying about the discernment. Understanding WHAT you are dealing with is vitally important.

Thanks. I am pretty sure my wife has DID from severe sexual abuse as a child; and I may have a degree of it as well from some pretty extreme physical abuse.

As I understand it, the organic multiple personality (excluding the demonic) occurs as a self-defense mechanism where some situation becomes intoleralble and the psyche slices off a piece to handle the intolerable while the main personality continues on without the pain of the situation.

Yes, your understanding is correct. It is a unique and very complex defensive mechanism which enables the core person to continue on with a "normal" life.

The thing that frustrates me is when there are ministers or therapists who say they can help, but in the process, don't have true knowledge of DID, and are actually more harmful to the system than if those with DID had not sought their help. It's important if you find someone who says they are working as a minister or professional counselor with individuals with DID, that you interview them. Here are some of the questions I would ask.

Where did they receive their training?
Have they done any educational classes (from trauma professionals) in dissociation, PTSD, and DID?
How much training have they had since their initial training?
How many individuals with DID (or trauma for that matter) have they worked with?
How many years have they been working with trauma and DID?
Exactly what do you have to offer survivors with DID as a professional/minister, and if it's a fancy name, what does that mean?
Do you believe that those with DID are possessed?
Are you licensed or certified in your state and in current good standing?
If they are a professional counselor, you can verify this information with the state and if there have been improprieties reported. Ministers aren't so easy to verify.
What do you do in the event of emergencies? Do you take call, refer to someone or some place else? etc.?
If you have questions that are concerning for you, don't be afraid to ask them. It takes time to develop trust with someone, so ask the questions you need to ask for your comfort level of working with someone. If they don't want to answer, then that could suggest to keep looking.

I think you are right, and certainly very valid questions. The difficulty might be that there are not many people that will be able to tick all the right boxes as this is not an area many people are familiar with. Even trained psychiatrists for the most part are not familiar with DID - or at least that is my understanding.

In particular it would be interesting to hear their response to your question: "do you believe that those with DID are possessed ?" It is a key question that will reveal much.

What is your view on that?

More complex issues are often not understood by local church people. That is understandable but it does make it hard for some people to get the support and understanding they need. Each part wants to tell their story to someone who will actually believe them. That is so important.

John
NZ

Strachan said:

I think you are right, and certainly very valid questions. The difficulty might be that there are not many people that will be able to tick all the right boxes as this is not an area many people are familiar with. Even trained psychiatrists for the most part are not familiar with DID - or at least that is my understanding.

In particular it would be interesting to hear their response to your question: "do you believe that those with DID are possessed ?" It is a key question that will reveal much.

What is your view on that?

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Many professionals don't accept te reality of DID, much to the frustration of each part. It is seen as simply some kind of extreme dissociation. A secular framework has little place for any concept of the spiritual.

DID is both an inner, trauma induced reality where the person becomes divided, and an underlying spiritual reality. Often the perpetrators are involved in some cultish pratices with direct involvement in occult powers. Both need to be addressed.

John
NZ

DaveW-Ohev said:

Has anyone here ever successfully "re-integrated" a broken off personality part?

If so - how was it accomplished?

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I have had many alters to merge and/or integrate over the last 9 years. Some was after or during ministry/counseling sessions where they were able to share their experiences and memories, and be (gently) introduced to the Lord Jesus, and received comfort and truth from Him. Sometimes, these alters have to be able to come to Him often over a course of time, or in some instances, it only takes one session (for each alter/alter group). It just depends on each alter and what they need. Sometimes, alters and alter groups have chosen on their own to merge into one another and for 'one' alter. That is the case with my Hope. Hope is the result of 2 entire alter groups deciding that what I needed was for them to merge and help me out when I had all but lost hope. (in 2008)

Strachan said:

In particular it would be interesting to hear their response to your question: "do you believe that those with DID are possessed ?" It is a key question that will reveal much.

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Indeed it is.

My own take is that demonization and DID are not the same (even though they may appear similar). A person can have one, the other, or both.

KayJoy said:

I have had many alters to merge and/or integrate over the last 9 years. Some was after or during ministry/counseling sessions where they were able to share their experiences and memories, and be (gently) introduced to the Lord Jesus, and received comfort and truth from Him. Sometimes, these alters have to be able to come to Him often over a course of time, or in some instances, it only takes one session (for each alter/alter group). It just depends on each alter and what they need. Sometimes, alters and alter groups have chosen on their own to merge into one another and for 'one' alter. That is the case with my Hope. Hope is the result of 2 entire alter groups deciding that what I needed was for them to merge and help me out when I had all but lost hope. (in 2008)

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Thank you. That is a very encouraging testimony. I am not sure if DID is what my wife has or not. I have noted some of the symptoms over the years, but she adamantly denies that it is even a possibility. You at least were aware of the alters. How did that happen?

DaveW-Ohev said:

Thank you. That is a very encouraging testimony. I am not sure if DID is what my wife has or not. I have noted some of the symptoms over the years, but she adamantly denies that it is even a possibility. You at least were aware of the alters. How did that happen?

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Your wife is not uncommon in her reticence, probably for several reasons. At some stage I will simply ask for a part to talk with me. If I have established trust and some sense of safety and understanding a response soon comes. That wil be the beginning which will lead to acceptance by the 'adult'.

John
NZ

DaveW-Ohev said:

Thank you. That is a very encouraging testimony. I am not sure if DID is what my wife has or not. I have noted some of the symptoms over the years, but she adamantly denies that it is even a possibility. You at least were aware of the alters. How did that happen?

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I wasn't aware at all until about mid-2003 that I had alters. The interesting thing is, I also was not aware at that time that I was not the main host, and my only interaction with outside life was through the front alter system. It's hard to explain how it works, but I was not the one out front, and was programmed not to know about my alters... or the fact that my interaction with outside life was (hand-in-glove) through a front alter system. But I did have a good connection with Jesus (even from inside/not being out front) and He began urging me to write (journal) and that is what began to break down the amnesic barriers in my DID in 2003.

I have been here for some time. I have DID, but I don't talk about it very much. I like to pretend to be normal here, if I can. If I can't then I leave for a while.

Catherineanne said:

I have been here for some time. I have DID, but I don't talk about it very much. I like to pretend to be normal here, if I can. If I can't then I leave for a while.

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Hi.... I'm glad you posted. I understand the difficulty. It isn't an easy thing to live with.... both the trauma and the resultant DID.
Nice to meet you <3

KayJoy said:

Hi.... I'm glad you posted. I understand the difficulty. It isn't an easy thing to live with.... both the trauma and the resultant DID.
Nice to meet you <3

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Thank you. : ) You too.

notalone32 said:

No you're not being mean. I'm sorry. I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying BPD was just a label. I get that from christians a lot. Am so sorry. I didn't mean to hurt you. My head reads things a different way from most people reading them.
My perceptions are usually distorted when I speak to people. I'm so afraid I will end up alone and my pain not taken seriously.

I was ministered to by someone who used to minister to people with PDs. She was lovely and kind with the DIDS but if I was acting out due to being triggered she would call it a spirit of Self Pity or of Jezebel. She basically told me that my dad didn't abuse me and that it was a spirit telling me he had. I tried to explain my sister had proof it had happened and remembers it all. But this lady insisted I was just trying to grab all the attention for myself.
My dad used to say "I didn't really abuse you. I didn't actually hit you”. So I feel I'm overreacting. And that's why what this woman says cut deep. She says the Holy Spirit was telling her I was just being manipulative and wasn't really suffering self harm even though my last episode prior to talking to hger had been recent and I was fighting thoughts of doing it again.

So yeah I hate this woman`s God. And my dad`s God.

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How horrible that someone would react towards you that way. People like that are not full of God because those who are so not judge at all. I do not have DID or BPD but I know people who do and as far as I am concerned people who have this are survivors who may never fully understand what happened to them because they are lied to by their abusers out of shame and guilt or fear of being exposed. I feel for you and cannot imagine your inner struggle to survive and cope. How are youfeeling these days?