Reclaim Australia rallies 4th April

hmw · Apr 6, 2015

Reclaim Australia held rallies in cities around Australia on 4th April.
The police in most cities did a good job of keeping the bullying leftist activists from disrupting the peaceful rallies.

Melbourne police, however, did a poor job and only helped to split up the peaceful rally there for Reclaim Australia, whilst the leftist activists even bashed someone trying to attend the Reclaim Australia rally.

The progressive/Lefist activists are renowned for being against free speech and thought, and they don't even want to allow ordinary Australians to have a peaceful rally.

The leftist activists however, will not harrass Muslim extremists holding protest rallies in Sydney where banners calling for the beheading of all who insult their prophet, and other such hate messages are preached.

Totalitarian ideologies such as Islam and that of the progressive Left, share a common bigotry and hate against any who oppose them. And they both share the same hatred against Christian values and identity.

Below is a facebook site for Reclaim Australia reporting on these rallies.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Reclaim-Australia-Rally-Australia-wide/762398587169729

hmw · Apr 7, 2015

Below is a link to the Cairns post article describing the disruption by of the Reclaim Australia rally in Melbourne.

It also describes the state of affairs within Australia briefly describing the tactics used by the PC thought police to deceitfully stop any rational public debate.

Reclaim Australia rallies expose the real bigots in our midst | Cairns Post

hmw · Apr 8, 2015

For those here who are wondering what Reclaim Australia is all about, I found this mission statement on their web site.

1. To stop any enforcing of Sharia law throughout the whole of Australia. To make Sharia Law illegal in every State and Territory.

2. Keep our traditional values ie. Christmas, Easter, Australia Day, Anzac Day and other beliefs a large number of Australians have grown up with.

3. Keep our rights and freedom of speech.

4. Halal certification should be banned and made illegal. (if not banned, then control should be handed over to the government so it isn't a moneymaking scheme for islam).

5. Introduce pride in the Australian flag and Anthem at all levels of schooling.

6. Ban the teaching of Islam in government schools.

7. Ban the Burqa or any variant thereof.

8.Ban Female Genital Mutilation and introduce mandatory 10 year jail terms for perpetrators and organizers. This includes those who send girls overseas to have FGM carried out outside Australia. Once their jail term has been completed, their citizenship should be cancelled and they be immediately deported back to the country they originated from.

9. Stop Centrelink recognizing polygamy and only recognize the first marriage for benefits.

This is what those bullying leftist activists were illegally disrupting the Melbourne Reclaim Australia rally about. Those activists disrupting that rally were against free speech, the Australian flag, against Australia's Judeo/Christian heritage and traditions, etc.

hmw · Apr 18, 2015

It should be interesting to see the outcome of a report made to the Human Rights Commission regarding the burning of the Australian flag by aggressive leftist activists attempting to disrupt a peaceful Reclaim Australia rally in Melbourne.

George Christensen, the National Party Whip, said that section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act makes acts against persons because of their national origin unlawful.

He also said that "“If sections of the Act can be applied to one race or nationality it must apply to all, whether a minority or the majority,”. Thus his report to the Human Rights Commission (not leftist Gillian Triggs who has proved herself to be very biased and untrustworthy) against these leftist activists who targeted Australians with their offensive flag burning.

George said further that it's a shame that these leftist activists "took such aggressive and racist action to shut down any free speech that doesn’t agree with their own ideology,”

And, “According to the Left, free speech is a right — as long as you agree with the Left.”

George Christensen is quite correct as the tyranny of political correctness through the Left's domination of the mainstream media, education system, etc over the past decades has shown. Free speech and thought is strictly limited to leftist ideology and any who dare stray from this criteria (as Reclaim Australia did) will be bullied and deceitfully misrepresented by leftist activists and their leftist media mates.

tgg · May 5, 2015

If you don't like how this country operates, HMW, I suggest you go somewhere else.

Trogdor the Burninator · May 5, 2015

hmw said:
For those here who are wondering what Reclaim Australia is all about, I found this mission statement on their web site.

Most of the things they're arguing against aren't legal anyway - e.g. polygamy - you can't claim centrelink for multiple wives, it simply isn't legal under Australian law.

hmw · May 6, 2015

tgg said:
If you don't like how this country operates, HMW, I suggest you go somewhere else.

Hi tgg,

Why am I not surprised a leftist suggests that non-leftists leave "their" PC totalitarian country.

Reality is that we all know that the progressive Left have been bullying Australians for the past several decades under the tyranny of political correctness. I know that you don't want Australians to rock the PC boat, but throughout history tyrannies eventually do get kicked out.

Armoured · May 6, 2015

I wish our home grown idiot fringe would stop ripping of America's idiot fringe's lunatic ideas.

TheDag · May 8, 2015

Number four and six are nothing but discrimination. That is why I refused to vote for christian democrats. Jesus had some very strong words about hypocrites and double standards and that is exactly what this group and christian democrats preach.

To introduce pride into the flag and anthem means there needs to be something to be proud of. So make something to be proud of and people will be proud. You can't legislate that and only an idiot would try to legislate it.

Generally speaking we do not have freedom of speech. The high court decision was only within a limited scope and it has not been legislated.

I see no need to ban the burqa but introduce rules about how and when they should remove it for identification purposes. Airports do this and do so in a sensitive way. I see no need for restricting religious freedoms because I do not want my religious freedom restricted. If I say nothing now then I have no right to speak when my freedoms are infringed.

In terms of polygamy then get the authorities (police) to enforce it. Simple as that.

hmw · May 9, 2015

TheDag said:
Number four and six are nothing but discrimination. That is why I refused to vote for christian democrats. Jesus had some very strong words about hypocrites and double standards and that is exactly what this group and christian democrats preach.

Regarding Halal foods products, the current system is very discriminatory and definitely needs to big change.

Halal certification, along with it's costs, are imposed on non-Muslims against their will. The funds raised through Halal certification go towards funding Islamic agendas, against the will of non-Muslims. Most manufacturers do not even provide Halal labeling, which again discriminates against those who seek to avoid buying such products. And some, such as Sikhs, are not to partake of Halal foods for religious/philosophical reasons, which is again more discrimination under the current system.

Regarding the teaching of Islam in schools, Islam has shown itself to be an intolerant, supremacist, and discriminatory ideology, badly in need of reformation of the kind that the first Turkish president, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, imposed.

BTW, hypocrisy is very common, especially from the progressive Left activists, journalists and politicians, etc. However, Jesus was referring specifically to the hypocrisy of those who determine righteousness by works of the law.

TheDag said:
To introduce pride into the flag and anthem means there needs to be something to be proud of. So make something to be proud of and people will be proud.

The issue about the flag came up due to acts by the progressive Left activists such as aggressively stealing a flag from an elderly lady, leaving her bruised and shaken as a result, and also burning a flag to display the hate these progressive activists have for Australia's identity. Such leftists have been brainwashed with hate through the education system, especially socialist activism at universities and leftist academics in humanities studies. I suggest the education system is the best place to start by regulating it so that these leftist bullies are prevented from dominating an institution that is supposed to encourage objective, free thinking.

TheDag said:
I see no need to ban the burqa but introduce rules about how and when they should remove it for identification purposes. Airports do this and do so in a sensitive way. I see no need for restricting religious freedoms because I do not want my religious freedom restricted. If I say nothing now then I have no right to speak when my freedoms are infringed.

We currently do have freedoms restricted under the tyranny of political correctness. A local example in Brisbane was of a private school who discriminated against a whole class of 6 year old students preventing them from celebrating Christmas in their class room so as not to offend one Muslim pupil. There are many more such examples of freedoms being restricted under the discriminatory values of political correctness.

The UK, which has descended even further into the pit of political correct discrimination, saw fit to even ignore the reports from white girls raped by Muslim Pakistanis in Rotherham. The PC discrimination against these white rape victims was based on a much greater concern that it might be seen as racist if the authorities charged the Muslim Pakistani child rape gang. Sadly it took over 14 years for these 1400 child rape victims to be finally considered by loony PC authorities to have rights and freedoms too.

TheDag · May 9, 2015

oh look you decided to ignore several points. Guess you have no answer for them.
NOW BE A MAN AND BE HONEST FOR ONCE AND ADDRESS THE KOSHER FOOD CERTIFICATION THAT IS FORCED ON OTHERS. Also with the cost of halal certification you would be lucky if it added one tenth of a cent to the cost of the product and several companies have said they wear that cost and do not pass it on to the consumer.

TheDag · May 9, 2015

By the way before the election when people were going on about halal certification fees (it isn't a tax) I made a list of all food in my house. Four days of food roughly and not one item was halal certified so I call liar on anyone who claims they do not have a choice unless they have no option but to shop at auburn or bankstown. That would be very few people who don't have a choice and don't want any halal certified products.

Armoured · May 9, 2015

TheDag said:
By the way before the election when people were going on about halal certification fees (it isn't a tax) I made a list of all food in my house. Four days of food roughly and not one item was halal certified so I call liar on anyone who claims they do not have a choice unless they have no option but to shop at auburn or bankstown. That would be very few people who don't have a choice and don't want any halal certified products.

Yes, but this isn't meant to be a measured, proportional response. It's an ad hoc justification for a preexisting racism. I don't think anyone, even the reclaimers, expects anyone to believe otherwise.

hmw · May 10, 2015

TheDag said:
oh look you decided to ignore several points. Guess you have no answer for them.
NOW BE A MAN AND BE HONEST FOR ONCE AND ADDRESS THE KOSHER FOOD CERTIFICATION THAT IS FORCED ON OTHERS. Also with the cost of halal certification you would be lucky if it added one tenth of a cent to the cost of the product and several companies have said they wear that cost and do not pass it on to the consumer.

Not really surprised about your tone here. It's the same old Dag tactics. I suggest you try to be honest and cordial next time or else the Moderator will join in again.

I understand that there has been a call for a parliamentary inquiry into Halal certification. If this goes ahead then hopefully it will reveal exactly what is going on in these unregulated schemes. How much money is raised through certification, where does it go, etc. Other issues are some businesses with Halal certification not labeling their products as Halal, and certifiers charging markedly differing fees for the same service. There are even disagreements on the validity of the various certifiers.

The same dodgy circumstances are seen with Kosher certification in Israel, which has only jacked up the price of food products, and often also stands in the way of the free market and competition.
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The global market for halal-certified products and services is estimated to be worth more than USD2.3 trillion, expanding by 20% per year. These schemes are not limited to food alone, with products and services ranging from halal certified cosmetics to water, trucks, warehousing and sharia finance, there is no limit to the schemes. Plans are in place to certify every step of the market from suppliers of animal feed, to food processing and eventually the transport to your supermarket and shopping bag. Halal certification is a like an Islamic tax on goods and services.

There is no other religious group imposing such a broad, tax-like scheme on our supply chain. Whilst I don't approve of paying for Kosher certification the evidence suggests that Halal certification is even more pervasive and costly.

Non-Muslims and Non-Jews deserve to be informed about these unregulated certifiers imposing costs for services against our will.

Also of note is the discrimination entailed with the Halal process. In many Australian abattoirs, for example, only Muslim males can now find employment as slaughterers. Non-Muslims and women are considered haram - unclean. This is sharia law, manifest in discrimination on gender and religious grounds (or racist, if one uses the same "logic" as found in leftist propaganda).

TheDag · May 11, 2015

hmw said:
Not really surprised about your tone here. It's the same old Dag tactics. I suggest you try to be honest and cordial next time or else the Moderator will join in again.

Well can you suggest some other way that actually works that gets you to respond to the point made? Fact is you completely ignored the point until I did this.

hmw said:
I understand that there has been a call for a parliamentary inquiry into Halal certification. If this goes ahead then hopefully it will reveal exactly what is going on in these unregulated schemes. How much money is raised through certification, where does it go, etc. Other issues are some businesses with Halal certification not labeling their products as Halal, and certifiers charging markedly differing fees for the same service. There are even disagreements on the validity of the various certifiers.

Wow they called for a parliamentary inquiry! Do you have any idea how many calls there are for parliamentary enquiries on different topics? Once again though the very same people calling for that are strangely silent on kosher certification. Any thinking person would wonder why that is and what the real agenda is. You however choose to lap it up and cry foul at a simple business decision. That some businesses choose not to do halal certification shows that. Same as companies made a business decision not to make food that would meet the dietry requirements of the SDA church. They didn't think there was money in it. So the SDA started Sanitarium foods. Of course all those other companies now cry foul because they made a business decision and got it wrong. It still remains that a business decision was made.

hmw said:
The same dodgy circumstances are seen with Kosher certification in Israel, which has only jacked up the price of food products, and often also stands in the way of the free market and competition.

Dishonesty once again. We are talking about Australia not kosher certification in Israel. Anyone who calls for a ban on halal certification and fails to address kosher certification clearly has a bias and is prejudiced against a particular group.

hmw said:
The global market for halal-certified products and services is estimated to be worth more than USD2.3 trillion, expanding by 20% per year. These schemes are not limited to food alone, with products and services ranging from halal certified cosmetics to water, trucks, warehousing and sharia finance, there is no limit to the schemes. Plans are in place to certify every step of the market from suppliers of animal feed, to food processing and eventually the transport to your supermarket and shopping bag. Halal certification is a like an Islamic tax on goods and services.

There is no other religious group imposing such a broad, tax-like scheme on our supply chain. Whilst I don't approve of paying for Kosher certification the evidence suggests that Halal certification is even more pervasive and costly.

Non-Muslims and Non-Jews deserve to be informed about these unregulated certifiers imposing costs for services against our will.

See this is where your lack of thinking comes into play. You acknowledge that it is a increasing market worth massive amounts of money and think places are being forced into this! Do you have any grasp on business at all? Companies do halal certifciation for one reason and one reason only. They know they can make way more money from doing so. It really is that simple. yet you want to believe it is some big conspiracy!

Also of note is the discrimination entailed with the Halal process. In many Australian abattoirs, for example, only Muslim males can now find employment as slaughterers. Non-Muslims and women are considered haram - unclean. This is sharia law, manifest in discrimination on gender and religious grounds (or racist, if one uses the same "logic" as found in leftist propaganda).[/quote]

hmw · May 15, 2015

TheDag said:
Wow they called for a parliamentary inquiry! Do you have any idea how many calls there are for parliamentary enquiries on different topics? Once again though the very same people calling for that are strangely silent on kosher certification. Any thinking person would wonder why that is and what the real agenda is. You however choose to lap it up and cry foul at a simple business decision. That some businesses choose not to do halal certification shows that. Same as companies made a business decision not to make food that would meet the dietry requirements of the SDA church. They didn't think there was money in it. So the SDA started Sanitarium foods. Of course all those other companies now cry foul because they made a business decision and got it wrong. It still remains that a business decision was made.

I dont accept your irrational fear of a hidden agenda.
And your dishonesty in linking business decisions with your hidden agenda claim, is simply wrong.
The parliamentary inquiry covers more than just Halal certification.
Most Australians were not even aware of Kosher certification until fundamentalist Muslims dominated the news with their intolerance, bigotry and hate, thus bringing attention to Halal certification funding an Islamic agenda.

TheDag said:
Dishonesty once again. We are talking about Australia not kosher certification in Israel. Anyone who calls for a ban on halal certification and fails to address kosher certification clearly has a bias and is prejudiced against a particular group.

Once again you're being dishonest here. You raised Kosher certification as an issue, upon which I used that Israeli news article highlighting the problems created by certification systems that are not regulated.

And here we see your irrational fear (or is it dishonesty?) alleging that it's only the poor old Muslims who are being targeted. As the parliamentary inquiry is covering Kosher and even organic certification, I can assure you your concerns are unfounded. But as your concerns are so consistent with the Left's alliance with Muslims, I conclude your preference is for the leftist propagandists world view rather than the truth.

TheDag said:
See this is where your lack of thinking comes into play. You acknowledge that it is a increasing market worth massive amounts of money and think places are being forced into this! Do you have any grasp on business at all? Companies do halal certifciation for one reason and one reason only. They know they can make way more money from doing so. It really is that simple. yet you want to believe it is some big conspiracy!

I realize that companies do it for business reasons, as without such certification they cannot export their goods. But your being dishonest in choosing to ignore that Halal certifiers have them over a barrel, and profiting by it, to the tune of trillions of dollars per year.

TheDag said:
Also of note is the discrimination entailed with the Halal process. In many Australian abattoirs, for example, only Muslim males can now find employment as slaughterers. Non-Muslims and women are considered haram - unclean. This is sharia law, manifest in discrimination on gender and religious grounds (or racist, if one uses the same "logic" as found in leftist propaganda).

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TheDag · May 16, 2015

hmw said:
I dont accept your irrational fear of a hidden agenda.
And your dishonesty in linking business decisions with your hidden agenda claim, is simply wrong.
The parliamentary inquiry covers more than just Halal certification.
Most Australians were not even aware of Kosher certification until fundamentalist Muslims dominated the news with their intolerance, bigotry and hate, thus bringing attention to Halal certification funding an Islamic agenda.

You can ignore the hidden agenda all you like. Doesn't mean it is not true. I never linked business decisions with any hidden agenda on this topic. That is your poor interpretation. I said those calling for a ban on halal certification have a hidden agenda when the reality is that it is a simple business decision. That is not linking them. It is a simple to understand explanation but I am not surprised that once again you fail to comprehend what is being said.

hmw said:
Once again you're being dishonest here. You raised Kosher certification as an issue, upon which I used that Israeli news article highlighting the problems created by certification systems that are not regulated.

That is not talking about what is happening in Australia according to your summary. When the link triggers the automatic filter and includes word advertisment then yeah I'm not opening it.

hmw said:
And here we see your irrational fear (or is it dishonesty?) alleging that it's only the poor old Muslims who are being targeted. As the parliamentary inquiry is covering Kosher and even organic certification, I can assure you your concerns are unfounded. But as your concerns are so consistent with the Left's alliance with Muslims, I conclude your preference is for the leftist propagandists world view rather than the truth.

Not dishonesty at all. The topic is about Reclaim Australia group and they only target halal. If it was not for Halal nobody would have mentioned kosher which has been happening for decades here in Australia. Not to mention there was no announcement about any such inquiry when I made my comments. Of course there is no denying that the driver behind this was halal certification. Due to counter arguments sure they are including SOME other certifications. There are some certifications that are being left out.

Once again you want to turn everything into a left vs right battle. Sorry but I'm in the centre. No matter what you like to think you are actually to the right and both major parties have been moving further to the right as always happens when prosperity happens because people become more obsessed with protecting what they have.

hmw said:
I realize that companies do it for business reasons, as without such certification they cannot export their goods. But your being dishonest in choosing to ignore that Halal certifiers have them over a barrel, and profiting by it, to the tune of trillions of dollars per year.

Nope as I said they can choose not to do it just like some companies have not. Pretty easy. Of course when decisions are made by greed then they will choose to but it is still their choice.

Trillons of dollars a year is a nice line used by people with an agenda to scare people but it has no factual basis. Fees really are not that high. Plenty of that money stays here in Australia and is donated to worthwhile causes.

Oafman · May 19, 2015

Just stumbled upon this thread. Wow! I'm beginning to understand how Abbott got elected...

hmw · May 21, 2015

Oafman said:
Just stumbled upon this thread. Wow! I'm beginning to understand how Abbott got elected...

Hi Atheist Oafman,

Its obvious that Abbott got elected because Rudd/Gillard/Greens made such a mess of things. But, no doubt you will side with all the leftist propaganda that is pushed here on this forum.

Lepanto · Jun 2, 2015

The West should wake up and stop muslim immigration.

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