Best Form of Church Governance

Which is the best polity for Church Governance?

  • Episcopal: Bishop, Priest, Deacon

  • Presbyterian: Elder, Deacon

  • Congregationalist: Varies, but usually none


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Targaryen

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Here in Canada, the Methodist Church has merged with the Congregational Church of Canada and the the majority of the Presbyterian Church of Canada joining forces to become the United Church of Canada, which is under a Presbyterian style polity I can't really comment on the UMC's polity as I do not understand the specifics of it.
 
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Here in Canada, the Methodist Church has merged with the Congregational Church of Canada and the the majority of the Presbyterian Church of Canada joining forces to become the United Church of Canada, which is under a Presbyterian style polity I can't really comment on the UMC's polity as I do not understand the specifics of it.

While there is a Presbyterian influence within the UCoC, it's influence in the congregations is found more west of Ontario where almost all of the Presbyterian Churches merged. Here, in the East, few Presbyterian Churches joined the ECoC but there was a lot of EUB Congregations that merged with the Methodists. It's my understanding that at the congregation level, there are variations in governance and structure.:)
 
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The Methodist and Wesleyan denominations here in the U.S. exhibit varying degrees of episcopal polity, but none have archbishops. There seems to be varying degrees of congregational independence within these denominations.

None of the American Episcopal dioceses have archbishops either, as for the congregational independance perhaps that is how there form of Episcopal polity has been reformed. Again I cannot truly comment.
 
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None of the American Episcopal dioceses have archbishops either, as for the congregational independance perhaps that is how there form of Episcopal polity has been reformed. Again I cannot truly comment.

Isn't archbishoprics only established if a given area is too big or significant for a bishop to handle alone? As far as Catholicism is considered (this may be differences in ecclesiology), archbishops are merely first among equals with two other bishops in a "triumvirate" system of dioceses and is usually established in a capital city.
 
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I can only go on the Canadian system in the anglican church of which I belong to to answer the question, so bare that in mind.

Archbishoprics are deterimed by ecclesiastical provinces in the church they serve as well as Primate of the National body. In Canada there are four provinces in the church body, British Columbia and the Yukon,Rupert's Land, Ontario and Canada. Each have an Archbishop as senior cleric and administrator as well as our Primate of the National Church also carries the title Archbishop, as he/she is senior cleric and administrator of the National church. Each province is then thus split into dioceses like those in the Catholic church.

As for additional bishoprics, in the Anglican Church of Canada, suffragan or assistant bishops are elected and serve in some diocese without the need for the diocese to declare a Province, for instance the Diocese of the Arctic has one administrator bishop and one suffragan.
 
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I think it would have been better to ask about Denominational Institutional structure rather than Church governance as Christ is the only governance of the Church but the governance of the human institutions called churches or denominations that attempt to carry out the will of Christ on earth( with varying degrees of success and varying degrees of sincerity) is what it seems to me you are actually wanting to ask about and to discern which form people prefer.
 
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What do you think is the best polity is for church governance?

I like what we have in the Church of England which is officially episcopal, but the local church is run on more Presbyterian lines.

We have a broad outline of rules laid out by the diocese, but the incumbent and PCC have the freedom to operated according to local needs within these rules. At the same time, the diocese provides specialist support that is beyond our fellowship.

The only problem I have with the diocese is how much they charge us for their services (aka parish share).
 
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I like what we have in the Church of England which is officially episcopal, but the local church is run on more Presbyterian lines.

I agree with that.


Open Heart said:
The bishop, priest/presbyter, and deacon is what is in scripture. I cannot understand churches that use the congregationalist governance.

and with that.

:)


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The bishop, priest/presbyter, and deacon is what is in scripture. I cannot understand churches that use the congregationalist governance.

Many argue that since one of the most primitive texts (Didache) (95-110 AD)doesn't explicitly mention the espicopate or apostolic succession but rather the congregation appointing and the presence of itinerant prophets

"Therefore appoint for yourselves bishops and deacons worthy of the Lord, men who are humble and not avaricious and true and approved, for they too carry out for you the ministry of the prophets and teachers. You must not, therefore, despise them, for they are your honored men, along with the prophets and teachers."
 
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Many argue that since one of the most primitive texts (Didache) (95-110 AD)doesn't explicitly mention the espicopate or apostolic succession but rather the congregation appointing and the presence of itinerant prophets

"Therefore appoint for yourselves bishops and deacons worthy of the Lord, men who are humble and not avaricious and true and approved, for they too carry out for you the ministry of the prophets and teachers. You must not, therefore, despise them, for they are your honored men, along with the prophets and teachers."

But it's agreed--apparently--that it mentions bishops, which is almost the same thing. I mean, there is no reason to elaborate on all the mechanics of ordination, etc. every time a bishop is referred to.
 
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But it's agreed--apparently--that it mentions bishops, which is almost the same thing. I mean, there is no reason to elaborate on all the mechanics of ordination, etc. every time a bishop is referred to.
ya and the pastorals paint a pretty good picture to connect the dots to second century texts IMO.
 
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The Biblical form. I see a role for three 'categories' of people:

1. The saints/the Brethren/disciples. There are many occasions in Acts where, 'the brethren' do many things. They send back the prophet Judas to Jerusalem. They recommend Silas to Paul. They sent a letter of recommendation for Apollos. They brethren received Paul's group gladly. Many regular church decisions are made by 'the brethren' in Acts.

In Acts 15, there is a meeting of the church and regular people in the church speak up about it. Some of them were wrong, but they could speak.

A disciple named Ananias also baptized Saul of Tarsus. God used this disciple to heal. In James 5, we are to confess our faults 'one to another' and pray one for another.

Most epistles are addressed to churches as a whole, who collectively had a responsibility to obey the instructions therein. Most epistles aren't written to leaders exclusively. Timothy and Titus did receive personal letters.

The Bible never teaches that clergy, elders, etc. are the exclusive teachers or ministers in church. Someone who is not an elder could be gifted to teach, and I Peter 3 commands good stewardship of gifts. One should teach BEFORE becoming an elder, since elders are already supposed to be 'apt to teach.' I Corinthians 14, the one long chapter that says what to do in church doesn't even mention elders (or 'pastors'). It does give instructions to prophets and 'every one of you' who would speak in church, telling how to minister 'unto edifying.' Church ministry is not supposed to be pulpit-centered and clergy centered, with one person doing all the talking and everyone else listening, unless we mean one Person ministering through the various members of the body.

2. The elders of the church/overseers.
In the Bible, we see that the apostles would appoint elders to oversee and pastor the churches.

3. Apostles.
This principle is still important on missions fields and where new churches are formed. Paul and his coworkers had a 'measure of rule' in Corinth because they had introduced the Gospel of Christ there. And they would instruct the people. Paul even judged a case about a sin by distance in I Corinthians 5, chiding the congregation for not having their own judges in the next chapter dealing with law suits among believers.

In Acts, we see apostles handling a lot of the affairs of the local church, collecting money and feeding widows. But later, we see they had deacons feed the widows and elders collected money from out of town. As others matured, the apostles could devote themselves to prayer and being witnesses of the resurrection. The apostles stepped back from handling the affairs of the church. When Paul came to town in Acts 21 amidst controversy, the apostles referred him to James and the elders.

Missionaries may have to handle a lot of the nitty gritty of new church plants at first. But as churches mature, the brethren handle it. At some point, men within the congregation mature to the point where they can serve as elders, pastor, and oversee the flock. Some also mature to serve as deacons to serve in various ways.
 
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Something to remember about the 'pastorals' is that they were named that in the 1800s. Timothy and Titus were part of the same church-planting, apostolic teams that Paul led They appointed local overseers. The Intro to the KJV version of I and II Timothy that calls Timothy a 'bishop' is not a part of the actual text of scripture.
 
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Personally, I believe the biblical form of church governance is a blend of congregationalism and presbyterianism.

Basically, the local congregation is autonomous and independent, but the congregation is led by a body of elders or presbyters.
 
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Personally, I believe the biblical form of church governance is a blend of congregationalism and presbyterianism.

Basically, the local congregation is autonomous and independent, but the congregation is led by a body of elders or presbyters.
That's classified as Congregationalism. :)
 
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