Atheism makes no sense.

[WarriorAngel]

Ok, so they believe in what they see.
Fine.
Who doesnt?

But what about their animation?
What about the soul? How did the 'earth' or the chem soup just create an animated soul?
Yes yes i know they dont believe in souls - most likely.

But they may not be in tune with their soul/spirit.

However; anyone who ever experienced the metaphysical cannot deny it.
And metaphysical is the energy God animated us with known as the soul/spirit.

Metaphysical and ethereal bodies exist.
though unseen - there is no explanation of our animation and how without the soul - one would not otherwise die if it was made purposely to just exist via a chem soup mix.

I could continue on with my philosophical meanderings...
but truly - all things of the other plain though intangible - are evidence of life after.

 

[WarriorAngel]

i'm sure an atheist might come in and disagree.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

I find it that to prozetylate those who refer to themselves as atheists is a waste of time.
They have already crowned their own ego and pride to God and have a stone heart.

Those who refer to themselves as agnostics however is more worth your time and efforts.

Just how I see things...

 

[WarriorAngel]

I find it that to prozetylate those who refer to themselves as atheists is a waste of time.
They have already crowned their own ego and pride to God and have a stone heart.

Those who refer to themselves as agnostics however is more worth your time and efforts.

Just how I've observed things...

Agnostics are seeking answers as much as any seeker.
All are difficult to reach unless they 'want to know'
Most atheists are just angry at God for their life.

Ever notice the anger they have for scriptures - and o wow - how misinterpreted they are.
For instance, atheists love to misquote scriptures.
Using the OT as an example.

I have a well liked atheist on FB - as in i like them.
and to see their posts - i just sigh.
it's like i cant take God's grace - hand it to you and explain 20 + years of studying and so forth to help you see the error in these posts. [meme's]

so i'm waiting for the day as i pray for him - to present itself.
because a closed mind absorbs no grace...as you said.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Agnostics are seeking answers as much as any seeker.
All are difficult to reach unless they 'want to know'
Most atheists are just angry at God for their life.

Ever notice the anger they have for scriptures - and o wow - how misinterpreted they are.
For instance, atheists love to misquote scriptures.
Using the OT as an example.

I have a well liked atheist on FB - as in i like them.
and to see their posts - i just sigh.
it's like i cant take God's grace - hand it to you and explain 20 + years of studying and so forth to help you see the error in these posts. [meme's]

so i'm waiting for the day as i pray for him - to present itself.
because a closed mind absorbs no grace...as you said.

forgot to add - the meme's say why cant christians see? or give me one explanation...

And i am like - hold back, dont do it.
so i wont. but i pray - and in time something will spark him.
ya have to keep praying.

 

[concretecamper]

As all men are touched by God’s love, so all are also touched by the desire for His intimacy. No one escapes this longing; we are all kings in exile, miserable without the Infinite. Those who reject the grace of God have a desire to avoid God, as those who accept it have a desire for God. The modern atheist does not disbelieve because of his intellect, but because of his will; it is not knowledge that makes him an atheist…The denial of God springs from a man’s desire not to have a God—from his wish that there were no Justice behind the universe, so that his injustices would fear not retribution; from his desire that there be no Law, so that he may not be judged by it; from his wish that there were no Absolute Goodness, that he might go on sinning with impunity. That is why the modern atheist is always angered when he hears anything said about God and religion—he would be incapable of such a resentment if God were only a myth. His feeling toward God is the same as that which a wicked man has for one whom he has wronged: he wishes he were dead so that he could do nothing to avenge the wrong. The betrayer of friendship knows his friend exists, but he wished he did not; the post-Christian atheist knows God exists, but he desires He should not.
Fulton J. Sheen

 

[WarriorAngel]

As all men are touched by God’s love, so all are also touched by the desire for His intimacy. No one escapes this longing; we are all kings in exile, miserable without the Infinite. Those who reject the grace of God have a desire to avoid God, as those who accept it have a desire for God. The modern atheist does not disbelieve because of his intellect, but because of his will; it is not knowledge that makes him an atheist…The denial of God springs from a man’s desire not to have a God—from his wish that there were no Justice behind the universe, so that his injustices would fear not retribution; from his desire that there be no Law, so that he may not be judged by it; from his wish that there were no Absolute Goodness, that he might go on sinning with impunity. That is why the modern atheist is always angered when he hears anything said about God and religion—he would be incapable of such a resentment if God were only a myth. His feeling toward God is the same as that which a wicked man has for one whom he has wronged: he wishes he were dead so that he could do nothing to avenge the wrong. The betrayer of friendship knows his friend exists, but he wished he did not; the post-Christian atheist knows God exists, but he desires He should not.
Fulton J. Sheen

Fulton Sheen is the man.
Loved that guy.

 

[Locutus]

Metaphysical and ethereal bodies exist.

though unseen - there is no explanation of our animation and how without the soul - one would not otherwise die if it was made purposely to just exist via a chem soup mix.

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1) where are they? how do you know they exist? can you define them? if not, this is an empty assertion. do you believe Hindus when they tell you their invisible gods are floating around your head? or do you understand it as an empty assertion?

2) unseen, like the Hindu gods floating around your head. meantime, your lack of understanding of 'animation' does not equate to gods - your god, or anyone else's - without evidence of that equation.

PS: assertions and books are not evidence. if they were, you would necessarily believe in every god for whom a book was written.

 

[Locutus]

They have already crowned their own ego and pride to God and have a stone heart.

Yes, those who accept their own mortality and insignificance are afflicted with monstrous egos.

While those who feel they ought to have the personal attention of the creator of the universe, and who regard themselves as too special to just die like an animal, are the picture of humility.

 

[bill5]

i'm sure an atheist might come in and disagree.

Ya think?

Agnostics are seeking answers as much as any seeker.
All are difficult to reach unless they 'want to know'
Most atheists are just angry at God for their life.

These are all assumptions you're making and treating as fact. They aren't, necessarily. In fact, as its core agnosticism basically says there's no way to know with any real certainty whether God exists or not (ie so why bother?). Some may yet be seeking answers, some not. And why would atheists by angry at something they don't think exists?

I guess I'm just saying people are all over the map, so those within a given belief can be too.

PS: I would also not judge anyone of any belief, perhaps atheists especially, by those met online.

That all said, I agree that atheism makes no sense, but it's from a pure logic perspective. To firmly believe God doesn't exist because there is no scientific proof, as if He was some kind of natural phenomena, is absurd. Absence of evidence doesn't mean evidence of absence and all that. From a pure logic standpoint, agnostics perhaps are the most logical of all. I don't agree with them mind you, as life is more than just pure logic - just my .02.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

I do wonder why some people don't ever seem to have metaphysical experiences if having one generates or strengthens faith.
To those who have had some metaphysical experience of God, how important is that in your faith?
Do you suspect everyone will have one eventually and athiests and agnostics are simply people who haven't yet?

 

[Chrystal-J]

I do wonder why some people don't ever seem to have metaphysical experiences if having one generates or strengthens faith.
To those who have had some metaphysical experience of God, how important is that in your faith?
Do you suspect everyone will have one eventually and athiests and agnostics are simply people who haven't yet?

I've had strong spiritual experiences. I feel like those drew me closer to God, as opposed to creating a belief in God. Most atheists I know seem to have a "don't tell me what to do" mentality and they feel that a God would be too controlling. (Just my experience.)

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

I've had strong spiritual experiences. I feel like those drew me closer to God, as opposed to creating a belief in God. Most atheists I know seem to have a "don't tell me what to do" mentality and they feel that a God would be too controlling. (Just my experience.)

Do you think the kind of people you are referring to actually believe in God, but don't like what they think He is calling them to do?

 

[Chrystal-J]

Do you think the kind of people you are referring to actually believe in God, but don't like what they think He is calling them to do?

The one's I know dismiss God a "fairy tale". They say religion is just something to "control people". Whether they believe in God deep down and can't deal with what that entails, I don't know. But, they seem really angry at God and Christianity in particular.

 

[thehehe]

Atheists of your generation are perhaps angry at God, but not mine. They are angry at morality which bores them and prevents a kind of freedom.
And, as some said, morality always lead to religion. So religion = morality and a lost of freedom.

 

[LoAmmi]

But what about their animation?
What about the soul? How did the 'earth' or the chem soup just create an animated soul?
Yes yes i know they dont believe in souls - most likely.

But they may not be in tune with their soul/spirit.

However; anyone who ever experienced the metaphysical cannot deny it.
And metaphysical is the energy God animated us with known as the soul/spirit.

Metaphysical and ethereal bodies exist.
though unseen - there is no explanation of our animation and how without the soul - one would not otherwise die if it was made purposely to just exist via a chem soup mix.

I could continue on with my philosophical meanderings...
but truly - all things of the other plain though intangible - are evidence of life after.

I'll be fully honest here. I have a massive amount of doubt over the existence of souls. It's not something I can just accept easily and, to be honest, most of the time I would probably doubt a soul exists. I always say it's due to my epilepsy. When I have a seizure, there is simply time missing. Not the same way time passes when you sleep and you have some sense of it happening, there's just nothing. A gap. What's my soul doing during that time? Why aren't I perceiving anything even though my body is shut down? It's really, really hard for me to believe there's some kind of separate part of me that exists. Just really hard. Now, I obviously believe in the divine. Wouldn't be any religion if I didn't, but that's based upon some evidence that I don't expect others to follow and evidence that, sadly, disqualifies any other religion in my mind. I've also never experienced the "metaphysical". So... yeah I completely understand atheists and why they think the way they do.

 

[concretecamper]

Atheists of your generation are perhaps angry at God, but not mine. They are angry at morality which bores them and prevents a kind of freedom.
And, as some said, morality always lead to religion. So religion = morality and a lost of freedom.

What needs to be proclaimed is that immorality = loss of freedom. We become slaves to sin and we lose the freedom to choose. When Christ is present, we are free to love ourselves and others without the chains of sin binding our actions.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Atheists of your generation are perhaps angry at God, but not mine. They are angry at morality which bores them and prevents a kind of freedom.
And, as some said, morality always lead to religion. So religion = morality and a lost of freedom.

I don't really know any atheiststhat are angry, and I don't think they reject God in order to sin freely. I haven't noticed atheists being any more or less sinful than Christians. I think they simply haven't seen evidence that convinces them of the existence of God (or any God for that matter).
I don't think anyone can honestly believe without some sort of evidence, in whatever form it takes, logical, experience of God, etc. Believers can point to what evidence they have experienced that led them to faith. I believe agnostics are still looking, and atheists are no longer looking because they're convinced the evidence is not out there.

 

[Chris B]

Ok, so they believe in what they see.
Fine.
Who doesnt?

But what about their animation?
What about the soul? How did the 'earth' or the chem soup just create an animated soul?

"What about the soul?"
What about it? It's a concept, and one (or more) quite variable over different religions and philosophies. It also comes with different usages and meanings just in English
".. the soul of football... " "...The Search For a Nation's Cycling Soul..." :two of over a million examples quickly culled from the internet.
Terms not easily and precisely defined need to be handled with care, and with suspicion. These are words people can play ricks with.


"However; anyone who ever experienced the metaphysical cannot deny it."
Deny what? (I'm not sure metaphysical is actually the word you were aiming for.)
I've had some most interesting experiences, that may be described in the broadest terms as "other" or perhaps "possibly transcendental". I wouldn't dream of denying their happening.
Applying any meaning or interpretation to the *whatever it was*, now that's a thing entirely different.
There's no particular certainty attached to the *whatever it was* being what it appeared to be, no matter how powerfully that was felt or experienced.
Hindus tend to interpret such moments as leaning towards experiencing of transcendent unity with all, in accord with traditional teachings, though it is interesting to note that with some, the more they have experiencedthe less they are likely to attempt to interpret it or describe it.

"And metaphysical is the energy God animated us with known as the soul/spirit."
Now there's an interpretation and a half!
How would you arrive at that as a reliable understanding without a separate briefing on what the *moment* was supposed to mean?

"Metaphysical and ethereal bodies exist."
Well that's an assertion certainly. What's backing it up?
To the point of closing out all possible alternatives?

The human brain and mind can do some remarkable things. Some of them remarkably misleading.
I've seen things that weren't there, objectively. Smelt such too, sometimes.
Why invoke the supernatural for something a natural brain might throw up?

 

[Chris B]

They have already crowned their own ego and pride to God and have a stone heart.

I has?
I don't worship my ego, or anything else (all far too fallible to qualify for worshipping or crowning.)

Those who refer to themselves as agnostics however is more worth your time and efforts.

Just how I see things...

Have you ever met a dogmatic agnostic?
(Yes, agnostics come in varieties, too.)
Dogmatic agnostic position "I have looked carefully into the matter and it is in principle undecidable. I do not know and neither do you, even if you think you do."