Ye Olde Libertarian Pub

[Mariposa36]

Interesting. I don't know many Christians who are Libertarians. It would seem that most are Republicans.

There are actually quite a few.

You're more likely to find them on Libertarian's Forum - Libertarian forum for politics and economics

and Ron Paul Forums / Rand Paul Forums - Grassroots Central Updates

 

[FreedByte]

What do you all think of left-libertarian philosophies such as mutualism?

 

[FreedByte]

Also, what do you all think of the historic existence of Christianity as a state religion? Does it mean that Christianity combined with libertarianism is contradictory?

 

[saffron park]

Also, what do you all think of the historic existence of Christianity as a state religion? Does it mean that Christianity combined with libertarianism is contradictory?

Not at all. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.

State enforcement is far from a central tenet of Christianity, and State "Religions" don't make anyone better off.

 

[FreedByte]

Not at all. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.

State enforcement is far from a central tenet of Christianity, and State "Religions" don't make anyone better off.

But if we assume that the Nicean Church was The Church, then don't we have to accept the state church? And if we don't assume that the Nicean Church was The Church, then did the Church die?

 

[FreedByte]

 

[Albion]

What do you all think of left-libertarian philosophies such as mutualism?

It's not Libertarian.

 

[Albion]

Interesting. I don't know many Christians who are Libertarians. It would seem that most are Republicans.

But most of the Libertarians that I know are Christians. I'm sure you'll encounter more Christians in the Republican Party if only because there are a lot more Republicans than Libertarians.

 

[Albion]

Duplicate post.

 

[FreedByte]

It's not Libertarian.

Out of curiosity, do you know what mutualism is?

 

[Albion]

Out of curiosity, do you know what mutualism is?

Yep. And it's not libertarianism.

 

[FreedByte]

Yep. And it's not libertarianism.

How is it not libertarianism?

I thought Proudhon was among the first to be called 'libertarian', but it is true that the term has changed.

 

[Lenny3]

Nothing is more important than liberty. With liberty, and justice, comes equality.

 

[graciesings]

Am I the only person here who agrees with the Libertarian ideas but votes for my second-choice party because they have more chance of winning?

 

[FreedByte]

Am I the only person here who agrees with the Libertarian ideas but votes for my second-choice party because they have more chance of winning?

No you're not. The US doesn't have proportional representation like many advanced democracies, which is a big problem.

I consider myself more of a left-libertarian by the way.

 

[graciesings]

I am more of a right leaning libertarian... if that means what I think it does.

 

[Albion]

Am I the only person here who agrees with the Libertarian ideas but votes for my second-choice party because they have more chance of winning?

I used to think that way. Many people do, and logically so. However, I finally realized that if neither of the big two is going to turn the country around, there's no point in voting for either of them.

Just so we continue to lose our freedoms...but at a slightly slower pace???

No, we have to take the longer view. And make no mistake about it, doing so is no longer pointless now that Libertarianism is taking off. The pundits and the GOP already know that ignoring Libertarian principles--which they used to do--risks losing enough voters that their election is lost too. That wasn't always the case, and it never is the case at present with any of the other so-called minor parties.

 

[FreedByte]

I am more of a right leaning libertarian... if that means what I think it does.

When I say left libertarian I mean closer to the green party

 

[graciesings]

Yeah... I grew up a social conservative... but I've developed a "The government has no business legislating that" attitude. I don't think abortion should be legal. On almost all other issues, I side with the smallest possible amount of government involvement/legislation.

 

[FreedByte]

Yeah... I grew up a social conservative... but I've developed a "The government has no business legislating that" attitude. I don't think abortion should be legal. On almost all other issues, I side with the smallest possible amount of government involvement/legislation.

While I tend to agree, I believe there are some things that make sense as cooperative systems, including police, emergency response, healthcare, environmental protections, public water supplies, internet service provision, etc. I do believe that these could be provided in a cooperative economic system without government involvement but at this time government does exist and exists as a vehicle for public goods. Also, most libertarians are strongly in favor of capitalism which does not leave a lot of room for cooperative economics despite the fact that historically the term "libertarian" was far from capitalist.