I know.. some would even say that the resurrection is past already.. that Christ came in 70AD.. that the destruction of Jerusalem was the time of the end.. Not their deliverance..
It's amazing how lust can rare its ugly head..
This (rom 11) was explained in detail in several posts in other threads which you were a part of and which you couldn't refute, thus agreed with.
Rom 11:26,27 is taken from IS 59. In that chapter in vs 5, it mentions "that which is crushed"breaking out into a viper
"That which is crushed refers to the accusative and condemnation of the garden law and seperation from completeness in God, the creator of all things, being CRUSHED. This is a reference to the removal of sin through Gods new law of justification by faith (john 6:28,29) The people who recieved that law and believed Jesus's authority as Gods good news would be hounded and preyed upon by those loyaæ to the law of moses and still enslaved to that law. Thats what the law is, a ministry of death, inadequacy and feeling of condemnation which expresses itself in contept against those who became free from it.
People wjo receive this law, his truths, and the authority of his love are adopted into gellowship with God in their humanity in Adam or "jacob" Jesus is added to that humanity in the same way he was added to jacob when he was hiven a name meaning "son of God"
Thus, the ungodliness that was removed was/is the oppression of conditiinal, stipulative , racist (and militant) mosaic covt. The people represented by "jacob" are those who left any hope in their racial favor, the law or the nation (sin) and cleft to their justification in their humanity by grace through faith.
This was still future at the time of Pauls writings, but in the near future as affirmed by the surrounding context and the fulfilled historical events. The deliverer of the believers of the new covt who would follow the way of christ, the lamb (the incorruptable seed as you put it) came to zion and removed the persecution (not once, but twice in 133-135 AD) from people justified in their humanity like jacob.
We expæained in a previous thread how and why "all Israel" refers to those who received mercy through Gods pre-elective favor of the new law administered by christ of grace through faith, even those of the nations as Paul says in 9:22 I believe it is.
The deliverer came to zion through the roman armies as had been prophecied in deut 32:42 and as had been premonitioned by his "appearing" and presence in the cloud formations of roman soldiers in the fall of 66 I believe it was.
Thanks for the exposure of this topic. The time context of his coming to remove that which is considered ungodly by god (including killing and persecuting those who believe in his reality as creator of life and Gen 3:15 fulfilling incarnation) has to be when the serpent and garden law is crushed (Is 59:5) because it is the reaæity of his incarnation and the law of justification in that reality wish cancels and destrys the garden law and any/all "sin" (missing the goal) imputed by that law.
This deliverence was foreknown to be needed and was promised to come at the time when "sin" is/was removed and righteousness adjucated to those who DID believe in God; Jesus as his incarnation, and his new law of faith.
Here is a wordpress article of mine for more info on rom 11.
http://fulfilledprophecystudies.wor...d-definitions-lead-to-accurate-understanding/
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