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It's a long post but essentially I'll refer this to 'lab vs non-lab'.
If you feel that there's something that I should address specifically in this post, please let me know as I wouldn't want to miss it.

The key point I was trying to make in that post is that Lambda-CDM is unfalsifiable. As david demonstrated with that structure in space, he was unwilling to ever reconsider his hypothesis. He knew that eventually someone would come up with a paper to refute it. I did too. They didn't actually *disprove* the first paper mind you, they simply demonstrated the technique *might* produce erroneous results. It's a draw at best case.

The hemispheric blowout they're having in the Planck data set is another perfect example. David did *not* question his metaphysical dogma, he *added more metaphysics* to save the dogma. The BB dogma cannot be logically falsified in any way. As long as it's acceptable to whip up ad hoc constructs on an as needed basis, there's no way to falsify the core belief, namely that redshift is all related to expansion and acceleration and none of it is related to inelastic scattering or signal broadening in plasma.

Pretty much the whole foundation of BB theory began by *ignoring* Hubble and *pretending* he didn't talk about two solutions to redshift. That specific dogma cannot be falsified because any test that fails is covered up and "explained away' by yet a new ad hoc construct. :( :confused: :doh:
 
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The key point I was trying to make in that post is that Lambda-CDM is unfalsifiable. As david demonstrated with that structure in space, he was unwilling to ever reconsider his hypothesis. He knew that eventually someone would come up with a paper to refute it. I did too. They didn't actually *disprove* the first paper mind you, they simply demonstrated the technique *might* produce erroneous results. It's a draw at best case.

The hemispheric blowout they're having in the Planck data set is another perfect example. David did *not* question his metaphysical dogma, he *added more metaphysics* to save the dogma. The BB dogma cannot be logically falsified in any way. As long as it's acceptable to whip up ad hoc constructs on an as needed basis, there's no way to falsify the core belief, namely that redshift is all related to expansion and acceleration and none of it is related to inelastic scattering or signal broadening in plasma.

Pretty much the whole foundation of BB theory began by *ignoring* Hubble and *pretending* he didn't talk about two solutions to redshift. That specific dogma cannot be falsified because any test that fails is covered up and "explained away' by yet a new ad hoc construct. :( :confused: :doh:

Yes, we were supposed to have done away with epicycles centuries ago, but I see that, umm, "science," has made a comeback over the last 100 years.

Still insisting that the Plank data is nothing more than our solar heliopause, with other cosmic rays from other double layers also impacting upon it. The particles from both directions are slowed and then reaccelerated as they hit the double layer surrounding our sun. What mainstream is calling a "magnetic highway" where the particles mill around until they "zoom" in or out as mainstream calls it. Why they just can't use the word "accelerate" instead of "zoom" is another story.

The same story as to why they use the term "hot gas" instead of "plasma". Each conveys a different process and force acting upon it. The same reason they talk about DM and DE as actual things, then say they are simply placeholders when cornered. Placeholders for plasma and electric currents. I just wonder why they can't replace the placeholders with the actual observed and measured phenomenon?
 
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Discovery at LHC leaves less room for new particles | symmetry magazine

FYI, SUSY theory took yet another significant empirical blow this week at CERN. Evidently the SUSY faithful are praying for a miracle in 2015. :)

The Standard Model predicts that the particle, called B-sub-s, will decay into two muons very rarely, only three times in every billion decays. However, the Standard Model assumes that the only particles involved in the decay are the ones physicists already know. If other, unknown particles exist, they might interfere, either making the decay happen more frequently than predicted or effectively canceling the decay out.
"This is the place to look for new physics," said LHCb physicist Sheldon Stone of Syracuse University. "Small deviations from the predicted rate would firmly establish the presence of new forces or particles."
What scientists found was a decay that followed the Standard Model’s predictions almost to the letter. This spells trouble for several models, including a number of models within the theory of supersymmetry, which predicts that each known particle has an undiscovered partner particle.
But the hunters of new particles have not lost hope; the result leaves room for other models of physics beyond the Standard Model to be correct.

Now of course the findings of actual empirical physics in the LHC data cannot and will not stop astronomers from pointing at high energy photons and positrons in the sky and claiming that SUSY particles did it. :(
 
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Now they backstabbing illegally to get our comet video taken off.

National Optical Astronomy Observatory Files Copyright Claim Over Images | Libertarian News


Sad state of affairs when a publicly funded organization claims copyright against the very Federal laws governing copyright and federally funded organizations. Can't fight with evidence you go against the rules. Just a delaying tactic, expect the video to be back up in a couple weeks. Attack the news bearer when one has no defense at all against the evidence.
 
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Space slinky: Jet of superheated gas -- 5,000 light-years long -- ejected from supermassive black hole

I thought I'd post this article as another perfect demonstration of the false advertizing that goes on in astronomy today. Apparently astronomers are still clueless about the difference between a gas and a plasma, and they've never heard of a "Birkeland current" in plasma. :(

What a crock. There is no such thing as a magnetic slinky. That is a *perfect* example of astronomers *refusing* to embrace empirical plasma physics. The whole reason that magnetic flow pattern occurs is due to the flow of current inside the Birkeland current. Astronomers must now make up their own terms in an effort to *avoid* talking about plasma physics. :(
 
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Universe's baby pictures suggest a bubbly birth - life - 19 September 2013 - New Scientist

The fluctuations look nearly the same in any random sample of the sky, leading astronomers to conclude that all matter was once in contact and then got suddenly shoved apart – just as inflation theory predicts.
But the first maps also showed that the density variations are more marked on one side of the sky than the other. In March 2013, the Planck probe made the highest-resolution CMB map yet, and it too shows this asymmetry.
In other words inflation theory failed its final "prediction" in absolutely spectacular fashion. Penrose also demonstrated that Guth actually made the 'flatness' problem 10 to the 100th power *worse* with inflation theory, and Planck demonstrates that Guth's claim about homogeneity on the largest scales were also false. Nothing that Guth originally claimed about inflation and actually 'predicted' with inflation turned out to be true, not one single thing. Zero, none, nada, zip.

Andrew Liddle of the University of Edinburgh, UK, and colleagues sought an explanation.
Translation: Andrew Liddle could not and would not accept this last revelation of failure as a falsification of inflation theory because he's emotionally and professionally invested in it.

They went back to a theory published in 2008 by Sean Carroll and colleagues at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, which suggested that the small variations are superimposed on a disturbance spanning the observable universe, like small waves carried on a big ocean wave.

"The trouble with that is they just made it up," says Liddle. "There's no reason why that should be."
Irony overload! Guth just "made up" inflation too, and there was no reason why that should have been either! He's now "complaining' about someone 'making up' another supernatural construct on the fly? Oh the irony.

But then he recalled a cosmological model called bubble nucleation, which he had worked on in the 1990s. In this picture, our universe arose from quantum fluctuations in a much bigger cosmos called a metaverse.
Yet another *made up entity* called a 'metaverse'? Wow! Double irony. I guess it's ok though because it's another one of *his* made up entities (or one that he's worked on) rather than someone else's made up entity. :confused::doh:

The quantum effects caused a phase transition in the fabric of the metaverse, and our universe popped into being, like an air bubble forming in boiling water.
Verbal word salad.

Weaving the two ideas together, Liddle and colleagues have shown that when inflation happens in a bubble universe, it naturally gives rise to large disturbances in space-time that could account for the lopsided CMB (Physical Review Letters, doi.org/ns2).
Translation: By "making up" a "new" supernatural construct called a metaverse and slapping it onto *another* made up supernatural construct, he can *move the goalposts* again, and avoid falsifying the original "made up' claim. :doh:

Major facepalm!
 
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The key point I was trying to make in that post is that Lambda-CDM is unfalsifiable.
Sorry, Michael, the Lambda-CDM model is easily falsifiable.
It can be falsified by one simple observation - a blue-shifted galaxy at a large distance from us (outside the local group where gravity dominates).

There are some problems with the Lambda-CDM model but the overall consistency of its match with the universe is why it is considered the best model for the universe.
 
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Space slinky: Jet of superheated gas -- 5,000 light-years long -- ejected from supermassive black hole

I thought I'd post this article as another perfect demonstration of the false advertizing that goes on in astronomy today.
Apparently astronomers are smart enough to know that a gas does not have to be a plasma and label a gas a gas until it is shown to be a plasma!
P.S. Personally I disagree with this but semantics is not "false advertising".

They know what a Birkeland current in plasma is
A Birkeland current is a set of currents which flow along geomagnetic field lines connecting the Earth’s magnetosphere to the Earth's high latitude ionosphere.
They are not so clueless to label anything that looks like a jet as a Birkeland current in plasma.
They are smart enough to know about the empirical physics that established electromagnetism and apply that to real world phenomena like galactic jets.
 
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Sorry, Michael, the Lambda-CDM model is easily falsifiable.
It can be falsified by one simple observation - a blue-shifted galaxy at a large distance from us (outside the local group where gravity dominates).

Sorry, but a static universe where inelastic scattering happens also produces consistently redshifted galaxies at a distance, so that's not even a unique prediction of Lambda-CDM, whereas a universe that is homogenous on the largest scales *is* a falsifiable claim that *has been falsified* by Planck data sets. There's a difference between the hemispheres in terms of energy which specifically *falsifies* Guth's claim about homogeneity on the largest scales. Epic fail for Lambda-CDM in the Planck data.

There are some problems with the Lambda-CDM model but the overall consistency of its match with the universe is why it is considered the best model for the universe.
Define the term "best" for me. Lambda-CDM has consistently failed each key prediction as our technology has improved. Nothing Guth claimed about our universe was true. It's *not* homogeneous on the largest scales. He didn't "solve" the flatness problem he actually made it 10 to the 100th power *worse* according to Penrose. Those were his two big claims to fame along with his claim about solving missing unicorn/monopole problems.

Lambda-nonsense is "best" at failing it's key predictions. Last time that resulted in an ad hoc entity called "dark energy". They just can't come up with a consensus on how to *fix* the last fiasco yet, so who knows yet what the *new and improved* metaphysical frankstein of a theory is likely to contain. There isn't even a single *fix* yet, they're actually vying for who can "make up" the "best" metaphysical gap filler. :(

PC/EU theory surely has it shortcomings, but at least it's great in terms of predicting things inside of our own solar system and it's a pure form of empirical physics. I'll take that over a falsified supernatural creation mythology any day and every day of the week.
 
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Apparently astronomers are smart enough to know that a gas does not have to be a plasma and label a gas a gas until it is shown to be a plasma!

What elements on the periodic table are not ionized at all at a million degrees?

P.S. Personally I disagree with this but semantics is not "false advertising".
Sorry, but I've been around the block and I know longer believe it's an "honest" mistake. They're far too consistent for it to be a mistake and they left out all EM field effects of a plasma universe in Lambda-CDM.

They know what a Birkeland current in plasma is
No they don't. They keep calling it a "magnetic slinky.".

Space 'Slinky' Confirms Theory with a Twist | Space.com

They are not so clueless to label anything that looks like a jet as a Birkeland current in plasma.
They're clueless alright, so clueless they think Birkeland current's aren't "scalable".

They are smart enough to know about the empirical physics that established electromagnetism and apply that to real world phenomena like galactic jets.
No they don't. If they did apply those established aspects of EM field theory they'd treat threat all those threads as current flows and circuits like Alfven did. They don't.
 
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I really like John Duffield's take on astronomy these days:

Science Sundays with John Duffield: Secret Police | Bogpaper.com
Michael, that article by John Duffield is ridiculous.
If you post in a forum then you are bound by the rules of that forum. Those rules are enforced by moderators. They are not acing as secret police. They are acting as known, ordinary police enforcing the rules of the forum.

arXiv is in a similar position. They have rules (e.g. a sponsor is required) for the submission of pre-prints to their archive. They have moderators.
To submit an article
The arXiv moderation system

John Duffield complains about blog authors doing what they are allowed to do - delete comments! Blogs are not open for any comments at all. Authors reserve the right to delete any comments that they like. Many authors have a published commenting policy.

John Duffield states "The coordinate speed of light ... so much so that at a black hole event horizon, it’s zero" which is just wrong. The coordinate speed of light is the speed of light in a given set of coordinates.
In Schwarzschild coordinates the coordinate speed of light is zero at the event horizon.
In Kruskal–Szekeres coordinates, the metric is perfectly well defined and non-singular at the event horizon. The coordinate speed of light is non-zero (I seem to remember that it is constant).
 
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Sorry, but I've been around the block and I know longer believe it's an "honest" mistake. They're far too consistent for it to be a mistake and they left out all EM field effects of a plasma universe in Lambda-CDM.
Sorry but that is really ignorant, Michael. The Lambda-CDM validly ignores EM effects because it is a cosmological model and plasmas are neutral on very much smaller scales.

No they don't. They keep calling it a "magnetic slinky.".
It looks like a slinky so a graduate student described it as a slinky!
Space 'Slinky' Confirms Theory with a Twist | Space.com
He does not they do.

If they did apply those established aspects of EM field theory they'd treat threat all those threads as current flows and circuits like Alfven did. They don't.
Hannes Alfvén did not so they do not.
Hannes Alfven died on 2 April 1995. He was dead for 10 years before that discovery.
Hannes Alfven was not so stupid that he would call any "slinky" structure a Birkeland current in plasma. Hannes Alfven was smart enough not to rely on a cartoon in a news article :D!
 
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Michael, that article by John Duffield is ridiculous.

Not in my experience. In my experience it's pretty much right on the money.

If you post in a forum then you are bound by the rules of that forum. Those rules are enforced by moderators. They are not acing as secret police. They are acting as known, ordinary police enforcing the rules of the forum.
Advice for ATM Idea Advocates - Read before posting in ATM

Sorry, but when there's two different rule systems in place, and one is the "30 day witch hunt rule", it's pretty much a cult.

arXiv is in a similar position. They have rules (e.g. a sponsor is required) for the submission of pre-prints to their archive. They have moderators.
To submit an article
The arXiv moderation system
I'd grant you that I personally haven't had any trouble getting Arxiv to pickup my papers.

I won't get into every specific with you but his experience and mine were virtually identical. Nothing but closed minds and good 'ol boy politics as usual as far as I could tell. Mostly it's attack the messenger nonsense.
 
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Sorry but that is really ignorant, Michael. The Lambda-CDM validly ignores EM effects because it is a cosmological model and plasmas are neutral on very much smaller scales.

None of that is actually true.

It looks like a slinky so a graduate student described it as a slinky!
Space 'Slinky' Confirms Theory with a Twist | Space.com
He does not they do.
They do it too when they talk about magnetism and flux ropes. They completely ignore the current running through the flux rope that creates the magnetic field in the first place. They're clueless.

Hannes Alfvén did not so they do not.
False.

Cosmic Plasma - H. Alfvèn - Google Books

Hannes Alfven died on 2 April 1995. He was dead for 10 years before that discovery.
Who cares. At least Alfven knew a Birkeland current when he saw one, even a decade earlier.

Hannes Alfven was not so stupid that he would call any "slinky" structure a Birkeland current in plasma. Hannes Alfven was smart enough not to rely on a cartoon in a news article :D!
You use more loaded language, and more abusive language than anyone I've met RC. What's wrong, you got bored at JREF and came back here to stalk me some more, or did the moderators here cool your jets for awhile?

How about at *least* keeping the conversation intellectually honest and knock off the loaded language nonsense. You aren't going to verbally abuse me into submission so get over it already.
 
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Sorry but that is really ignorant, Michael. The Lambda-CDM validly ignores EM effects because it is a cosmological model and plasmas are neutral on very much smaller scales.

Seriously??? Can you then explain why the very minute a spacecraft enters space it becomes charged relative to its surroundings if this space is so neutral on smaller scales?

Do you even know what constitutes an electric current? Moving charged particles, it's the smallest scale you can get. This is why the atomic scale is governed by the electrical force. Why E even tried to tell you all it was all about the electrodynamics of moving bodies. Which you then completely ignored.

You constantly talk of bow shocks and waves in space, but what are those bow shocks and waves if not moving charged particles? Plasma is not a solid, liquid or a gas, so quit treating it as such in your math, that's why they must add Fairie Dust.

It is free electrons and ions, which behave differently than do bound electrons and atoms with balanced numbers of protons and electrons. Until you understand what a plasma really is, you will always need Fairie Dust to prop up the math, because the math will always be wrong.

The math only describes matter in close proximity, the solar system (1% of the universe,) but fails utterly everywhere else. It is then "saved" by the addition of Fairie Dust entities because one has ignored what 99% of the universe really is and how it really behaves.

Par for course for mainstream cosmology. All because they misunderstand what causes magnetic fields, and some fairyland interpretation of neutral.
 
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Seriously??? ...snipped irrelevant question....
Seriously, Justatruthseeker???
You seem not know how plasma is effectively neural over a large enough scale:
Plasma (from Greek πλάσμα, "anything formed"[1]) is one of the four fundamental states of matter (the others being solid, liquid, and gas).
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The good electrical conductivity of plasmas makes their electric fields very small. This results in the important concept of "quasineutrality", which says the density of negative charges is approximately equal to the density of positive charges over large volumes of the plasma (ne = <Z>ni), but on the scale of the Debye length there can be charge imbalance. In the special case that double layers are formed, the charge separation can extend some tens of Debye lengths
Debye length
In plasmas and electrolytes the Debye length (also called Debye radius), named after the Dutch physicist and physical chemist Peter Debye, is the measure of a charge carrier's net electrostatic effect in solution, and how far those electrostatic effects persist. A Debye sphere is a volume whose radius is the Debye length, in which there is a sphere of influence, and outside of which charges are electrically screened.

This Why E even tried to tell you all it was all about the electrodynamics of moving bodies. Which you then completely ignored.
That statement is quite wrong, Justatruthseeker.
Einstein's paper on Special Relativity has a title about the electrodynamics of moving bodies. It is not about everything on atomic scales being the electric force as you assert. It is about making the electrodynamics of moving bodies invariant between different inertial fames of reference.

You constantly talk of bow shocks and waves in space
...snipped strange "Fairie Dust" stuff...
Who is this "you"?
Astronomers do note the obvious. Clouds of gas (even when ionized and actually plasma) can collide, e.g. when galaxy clusters collide. So you get "bow shocks and waves in space".

Plasma is not a solid, liquid or a gas, so quit treating it as such in your math
...snipped strange "Fairie Dust" stuff...
It is Hannes Alfven'a (and others) math so complain to Michael not me :D!
Magnetohydrodynamics

Par for course for mainstream cosmology. All because they misunderstand what causes magnetic fields, and some fairyland interpretation of neutral.
Oh dear, Justatruthseeker!
The truth that you seek and have not found is that scientists understand what causes magnetic fields and use the actual scientific definition of neutral for plasma.
 
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Sorry - but you missed the point Michael.
Forum owners are free to make up whatever rules they like.
In this case they have noticed that threads that cranks start on ATM ideas tend to get very long (cranks frequently cannot acknowledge that they have made mistakes) and often turbulent.
After all, Michael, think about the frustration of people who have spent years learning physics and along comes someone whose idea of physics is pointing at images and saying "I see bunnies in there"!



Thus they decided to make the ATM area get closer to usual scientific debate
  • it is your idea thus you need to defend it.
  • it is your idea so you should be able to answer questions about it (even if the answer is 'I do not know' or 'I need more time').
  • present published research whenever possible.
  • etc.
with a 30 day limit on presenting the idea.
A Very Brief History of the ATM Forum
But there were other abuses, where certain ATMers would keep bumping their threads with contentless posts to keep their ATM threads at the top of the thread list. This caused the 30-day limit to come into effect.
shows that the limit was the result of policy abuse by ATMers.

ETA: A thread over there that is relevant to this thread: EU: Jets and Birkeland currents.
Oddly enough no scientific literature on Birkeland currents in jets (not even Hannes Alfven!) seems to be cited.
 
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