Who's pushing the "New World Order" ?

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Grappler

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Yeah I do believe in Scripture... more importantly I have a pretty decent grasp on it which is why I reject conspiracy theories.

I see no reason why I should concern myself with the intricacies of fallible men and their supposed secret societies--Illuminati, Freemasons, Opus Dei, Bilderbergers, etc.

I used to believe in such things myself. I was a conspiracy nut, even before I got saved. Since spending more and more time with Scripture, I have eschewed such theories since they have no Biblical basis, and frankly, aren't worth my time anymore.

As I said, Scripture makes no mention of their role whatsoever in End Times prophecy. All I see are Satan, his bastard son the Anti-Christ, the Anti-Christ's number two guy, False Prophet, and 10 kings.

Before you get excited about the 10 kings, let me point out that they are 10 individuals from territories from within the former Roman Empire (Daniel 7:23,24)--specifically areas of Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. Also, they are not currently in charge of anything at this point, rather they become future rulers during Tribulation (Revelation 17:12).

Lastly, in regards to the Beast system, the Anti-Christ won't necessarily install a world government, he's going to install a world empire, the likes of which hasn't been seen on earth since the Roman Empire. Note the prophecies contained throughout the Book of Daniel and in Revelation 17.

Also, if you wanna get technical, Satan is not the ruler of this world rather the ruler over the realm of darkness (Ephesians 6:12, Colossians 1:13).

If we were having this discussion before Calvary, then yeah you'd have a point--Satan did at one time have dominion thanks him pulling it away from Adam via deception.

After the cross, however, it's a different story. (Luke 4:5,6)

As of now, Jesus is the ruler of this world (Matthew 28:18). He took it back from Satan. "All authority" means all authority... none left over for Satan.

Again, to be technical, the only reason corrupt and evil people are in positions in power are not because Satan put them there via mysterious networks on earth, but because God, in His infinite wisdom, allows them to be there.

For example, if you really think about it--Obama is exactly the kind of "leader" our corrupt, sinful society deserves.

The only reason Satan still has a foothold here is because so many of us still choose to live in the realm of darkness... so many of us foolishly invite it into our lives.

Thank God that's going to change soon (Isaiah 11:1-10).

Even if the New World Order did exist, it's only temporary. Even the Anti-Christ's world kingdom is only temporary. If the New World Order did exist, it would be replaced by Anti-Christ anyway, which in turn will be replaced by Jesus Christ. Praise His Holy Name!

This is the main problem with conspiracy theories in general:

Too much emphasis on evil, Satan, and the fallibility of man--all temporary things, mind you--and not enough focus on what truly matters--Lord Jesus Christ and His soon-to-be Eternal Kingdom on Earth.

Your comment betrays a similar mindset. Focus on Jesus, not on evil.
Jon...have you not read the title of this topic?? The title of this very topic is about the NWO. Now since the title of this topic is about the NWO that is what we are to talk about i thought. If the topic was something else like lets say the Millienial Kingdom of Christ or something else about Jesus then that is what i would focus on. Jon...i have studied for years about many different topics within Christianity and outside of Christianity. There are other topics on this forum that i discuss with people without ever mentioning one word about the Illuminati or NWO...but as i stated since the topic is about the NWO i figured i would talk about that. Your interest in this betrays your mindset...you act as if this is irrelevant but you are very interested in this or you wouldn't be commenting.:)
 
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Yes focus on Jesus, but the Genuine Jesus first of all must be based upon the Genuine Gospel which includes the genuine interpretations of that genuine gospel. Otherwise focusing upon "another Jesus," IICor.11:4, for starters.

My point, regarding Rev.22:18, 19, one of us is in deep trouble due to having an absolutely different interpretations of Revelation. I cannot even address a specific passage ... about all reference that you put forth Mr. Jon David ... not picking on you ... just that one of us falls under the warning in Rev.22:18, 19???

Receiving the one genuine interpretation of Rev.13 then one can see how the Secret Societies are a part, didn't say a large part, of the Antichristian power and propaganda (Rev.13:1, etc.) ... in the mean time you and I can agree to disagree sir.
 
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I am discussing the New World Order, specifically why I think it's bogus and a waste of time.

I've outlined why I believe it is false teaching and I even used Scripture to support my case.

In the meantime, I'm still waiting for Scriptural evidence supporting the case for a New World Order...

Receiving the one genuine interpretation of Rev.13 then one can see how the Secret Societies are a part, didn't say a large part, of the Antichristian power and propaganda (Rev.13:1, etc.) ... in the mean time you and I can agree to disagree sir.

If I'm guilty of adding or subtracting then you must be able to provide Scriptural evidence for the role of secret societies in End Times prophecy.

Let's see it.

Show me the specific passage that mentions secret societies. For the record, Revelation 13:1 ain't it. For true understanding of this passage, refer to Revelation 17:8-13, as well as Daniel chapters 7-11.
 
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Guys ... the New World Order is pretty old stuff.
That kinda stuff was 20 years ago ... along with "black helicopters".
Have you noticed how none of that stuff actually materialized???
Maybe because the people pushing the hype were using it as their own way to raise money and get power. Think about that.

It was the same with Y2K and that whole circus about nothing.
A lot of people - incl. many Christians - really got taken for a ride on that one.
It also led to a lot of disillusionment and bitterness.

Goverments in the world may do a lot of crazy stuff.
They have been for centuries.
We're Christians.
We don't need to buy into the hype.

Just my $0.02.
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Guys ... the New World Order is pretty old stuff.
That kinda stuff was 20 years ago ... along with "black helicopters".
Have you noticed how none of that stuff actually materialized???
Maybe because the people pushing the hype were using it as their own way to raise money and get power. Think about that.

It was the same with Y2K and that whole circus about nothing.
A lot of people - incl. many Christians - really got taken for a ride on that one.
It also led to a lot of disillusionment and bitterness.

Goverments in the world may do a lot of crazy stuff.
They have been for centuries.
We're Christians.
We don't need to buy into the hype.

Just my $0.02.
Gideon123
20 years??lol try again. Anyways ever hear of George Bush Sr.? First President to publically speak of the NWO...the plan is much much older. I guess you think he was just kidding. Jesus is supposed to have been coming back now for what? about 2000 years? Notice how that has never materialized either but i bet you still believe it don't you?lol Point is this Gideon..just because it hasn't materialzed yet doesn't make it a lie. You believe Jesus is coming back don't you? Many scoffers could say that you are naive and silly for believing that as well. You believe in the coming Anti-Christ don't you? Many scoffers would laugh at that as well. So don't be so quick to deny a NWO it is not a conspiracy it has been talked about publically by our politicians now for over 20 years. When something is talked about openly by our politicians how can it be a conspiracy?:)
 
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20 years??lol try again. Anyways ever hear of George Bush Sr.? First President to publically speak of the NWO.

He spoke of a new world order, yes, but not the New World Order, the imaginary organization talked about here, and not as a plot, Satan, or any particular group, etc.
 
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Ahh and i guess he told you personally not to capitalize it...talk about rich.lol You don't have a clue do you? New World Order is not an organization it is a goal.

Not according to other guys here who also have this stuff as their hobby.

no wonder you are confused. I never once claimed it was an organization
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It appears to be you who are confused. I wasn't quoting you or even referring to your own comments. I was speaking of the idea as it usually is presented. Your own particular version isn't especially interesting, as a matter of fact.
 
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I really appreciate your honesty ... The NWO is also pretty new stuff also .... The "word of the Vatican" (control of News media, Black P _ _ _) that controls the Planet, secretly, where they want others to think "is pretty old stuff" where what one thinks that it really is, what it only pretends to be mentality ... absolutely control absolutely COMBINED with the "word of the Antichrist" (Bible .... Rev.13 with the one true interpretation, veiled in today's time, secretly we could safely say CONTROLS THE PLANET'S CHURCH'S .... a series of pending cataclysmic, both physical and spiritual, events ongoing and others on our front door, YET WE ARE UNABLE TO SEE .... ending in absolute blindness coupled with insanity using the original Biblical inspired structure of thoughts, whatever this may be in today's time, as a core-base to base any sanity upon.

Solution, and not being a part of the problem, pull one's head out of the sand and receive the one genuine interpretation with Revelation chapter 13 and IIThess.2, getting the spiritual sphere back to sanity then one can work with the temporal plane.

Just another opinion and probably wrong ... all is well and don't have to prepare for the worst and hope for the best .... Just run with the majority, secure in the crowd mentality. ... and hope all will pan out when one awakes in heaven ... or maybe won't awake in heaven thinking one will???
 
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Lol so you do believe he is just going to "pop up" on the world stage...Hey everybody i am the Anti-Christ come and follow me. A little naive don't you think? I think you are confused...as i said earlier there are no scriptures that talk about the Illuminati neither are there scripture that talk about nuclear weapons....you do believe they exsist don't you? I did refer to scriptures that indicate a one-world government. I did refer to scripture that Satan rules this world. Scripture gives us the big picture...we are merely discussing the details. If you don't like discussing the details then by all means i would find a topic that i like to discuss. It is kind of silly to discuss something that you don't like...no one is making you stay...ah but curiosity does...doesn't it? And i believe it was Paul that refered to Satan as the god of this world in 2 Corinthians...so take that up with him.:)

The written Word implies that yes, he will pop up on the world stage, and establish himself in a relatively short time. Not that hard to imagine considering the guy will operating under the supernatural energy (working) of Satan (2 Thessalonians 2:9). Read the Scripture I cited as evidence regarding Anti-Christ and get back to me.

It may sound crazy to you, but at least I can back it up with Scripture.

As you can plainly see I cited several passages, in fact, throughout multiple books of the Bible.

In the meantime, I'm still waiting for you to show me one single piece of Scripture that unequivocally states the involvement of some secret society in all this.

Yet you keep falling back on groundless speculation...

I love discussing the details, that's why I'm here.

That's why I ask of you, repeatedly, what exactly are the BIBLICAL BASIS for your details??

There actually are hints of nuclear and chemical warfare exchanges found throughout Revelation, especially the first and latter parts of chapter 9. Zechariah 5 may also contain a reference to one of these exchanges. Still no mention of secret societies though :)

What exactly do you think I'm curious about? Have I not already stated I'm a former conspiracy theorist? I used to live for this stuff. I've probably forgotten more about this garbage than you actually know.

No, dude--I'm simply here to set the record straight and counter the seemingly endless false teachings regarding NWO and End Times prophecy.

Speaking of setting the record straight, in regards to Paul 2 Corinthians 4:4 does refer to Satan as the god of this "world", or in the original Greek the word aion, or AGE.

Paul's not saying Satan rules the world, rather since the people of this age continually chooses to live in darkness, Satan has found a foothold here--exactly as I stated previously.

Despite all this, remember even Satan is still under God's authority--God, the true sovereign ruler of this world--who, in His infinite wisdom, is allowing Satan's shenanigans for a greater purpose (Proverbs 19:21; 20:24; 21:1, 30; Daniel 2:37-38; 4:21-22, 24-26, 34-35; Revelation 1:5; 17:14, 17; 19:16).

It may seem like a trivial misconception, but it irks me to no end to see how casually this "slight" misunderstanding is thrown around, especially when it runs the risk of diminishing God's authority, and in turn amplifying Satan's, in the minds of certain believers.

Guys ... the New World Order is pretty old stuff.
That kinda stuff was 20 years ago ... along with "black helicopters".
Have you noticed how none of that stuff actually materialized???
Maybe because the people pushing the hype were using it as their own way to raise money and get power. Think about that.

It was the same with Y2K and that whole circus about nothing.
A lot of people - incl. many Christians - really got taken for a ride on that one.
It also led to a lot of disillusionment and bitterness.

Goverments in the world may do a lot of crazy stuff.
They have been for centuries.
We're Christians.
We don't need to buy into the hype.

Just my $0.02.
Gideon123

You said it, brother!

It's interesting to note how many charlatans out there--Christian (or Kristian) and non-believer alike--make money hand over fist with this crap thru DVDs, books, "survival packets", etc.

So many gullible folks are being taken for a ride indeed.

What it boils down to is this--they believe in crap like the New World Order because they want to. They love having their ears tickled by fantasies. They feel like they're a part of something special, like children on a little adventure.

That's exactly how I was when I was suckered into this nonsense.

Sad thing is, a great deal of them are Christians and they already are a part of something special. Yet they continue chasing after shadows--temporary teachings of fallible men--rather than focusing on the Eternal Truth that resides--untapped--within them.
 
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Unusual that I bump into a forum where I have to absolutely disagree with gideon123, Jon David, and Grappler ... you folks appear sane???

All you folks, even appear to be good people, cannot reject Revelation Chapter 13 or can you??? We need to have something objective to base any conclusion upon right???

We can go round and round not getting anywhere with subjective "ideology" right???
 
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Unusual that I bump into a forum where I have to absolutely disagree with gideon123, Jon David, and Grappler ... you folks appear sane???

All you folks, even appear to be good people, cannot reject Revelation Chapter 13 or can you??? We need to have something objective to base any conclusion upon right???

We can go round and round not getting anywhere with subjective "ideology" right???

Pinpoint the evidence for secret societies and/or the New World Order government in Revelation 13.

Specific verses please.

By the way, just to be technical no such thing as "good people". You're speaking to the king of sin here... address me as such!

Just kidding about that last comment, but seriously, no good people. Not a one.

That's why Jesus went to the cross.
 
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