Hi, Pie.I don't think Iran has much of an Issue on Israel. This seems like more of an Arab problem than just a Muslim one
The ten kings represented by the ten horns appear during the great tribulation, and represent the nations aligned with the antichrist, i.e., Hitler, and have nothing to do with the battle of Ar Mageddon.Interpreter, if you want me to seriously entertain your dogmatic assertions about the end times, you will have to present scriptural evidence; and by this, I mean SCRIPTURE AGREEING WITH SCRIPTURE. Absent that, you are just spouting off baseless opinions. You should start, by making a serious effort to identify the kings representing the ten horns of the beast, which Revelation says will lead the battle against Israel.
The demon-possessed kings of the east will try to turn the world against Israel.Idk LOL, didn't the prophecy say that the world will turn against israel?
LOL. Iran's president has said that Israel should be wiped off the map. He is no doubt one of the demon-possessed kings of the east who start the Battle of Ar Mageddon.I don't think Iran has much of an Issue on Israel. This seems like more of an Arab problem than just a Muslim one
LOL. Iran's president has said that Israel should be wiped off the map. He is no doubt one of the demon-possessed kings of the east who start the Battle of Ar Mageddon.
Hi, Interpreter.The ten kings represented by the ten horns appear during the great tribulation, and represent the nations aligned with the antichrist, i.e., Hitler, and have nothing to do with the battle of Ar Mageddon.
The battle of Ar Mageddon is started by demon-possessed kings of the east. (See Rev. 16:12-14). We are not told how many of them take part. There will be at least one false prophet in the west that joins them. But I doubt that will the be the US which is Israel's staunchest ally. The US is the 4th horseman to rule the earth for Jesus, founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse. Our weapons bring hell and death.
The "kings of the east" are not demon-possessed: No scripture says they are. The ten-headed beast will be demon-possessed, and the demon out of his mouth will deceive kings, including the "kings of the east". cf. Rev. 16The demon-possessed kings of the east will try to turn the world against Israel.
"Dear Friend of Israel,Honestly, if Israel ever needed volunteers for an all out war, I'd go sign up. Not because of religious purposes, but because I beleive in freedom and humanity. Israel is doing nothing wrong.
Wow. Kol haKavod! (All power to you!)Oh wow. Sounds like something interesting to do after college. It is the field I want to go in after all.
That's a 13-point gain (in a knesset of 120 members) for Lapid and Bennett, mostly at the expense of Netanyahu's Likud, Labor's Yakimovich and Hatnua's Livni. It represents a massive shift to the Right, in terms of Land of Israel issues.Friday, March 1, 2013
Project Mitgam Poll: Likud Beiteinu 26 Yesh Atid 31...
If elections held today (expressed in Knesset seats) Current Knesset seats in [brackets]...
26 [31] Likud Beiteinu (Likud & Yisrael Beiteinu)
31 [19] Lapid "Yesh Atid" Party
13 [12] Bayit Yehudi (Bennett)
10 [11] Shas
09 [15] Labor
06 [07] Yahadut Hatorah
07 [06] Meretz
03 [06] Livni party "Hatnua" Party
02 [02] Kadima
13 [11] Arab parties
-- IMRA - Friday, March 1, 2013 Project Mitgam Poll: Likud Beiteinu 26 Yesh Atid 31
The Battle of Ar Mageddon began on 9/11 when the Euphrates was dry. The only reason Osama attacked the US is because we are the chief ally of Israel.Interpreter,
I've been pretty brusque with you, and I wish to let you know that nothing personal is intended. I want to get to the bottom of things, and I hope I don't bust up too many water and gas mains in the process.
One thing you've enlightened me about, is that I now view the end times and the final "battle" in continuous terms, rather than as a single "event". The "battle of Armageddon", for instance, probably won't be a single pitched battle. In fact, it may already be happening... in fact, a good "starting point" for this "battle" may have been 18 May, 1948. I was just pondering these things, and remembered the scripture:
[1] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
[2] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
[3] And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
[4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
[5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days...
I have always considered the "man child" to be Messiah, who rose from the dead and was "caught up unto God". There are problems with this interpretation, though. If Jesus were the man child, then who is the woman? Mary? That could be, and the "fleeing to the wilderness" could have been the flight of the Holy Family to Egypt. For all I know, in fact, that flight may have been for 3½ years.
The 3½ year period is mentioned in Revelation, though, as an end-time event, not a flight of Baby Jesus and his parents to Egypt. What's more, Jesus has not yet "ruled the nations with a rod of iron", unless one considers the reign of the Catholic Church in the High Middle Ages as the "rule of Christ". What the scriptures DO say about this time of "rule", though, is that the ruler will be the King of Israel.
This leads me to think that perhaps the "man child" is the nation of Israel, which was "born" on 18 May 1948. Indeed, the powers of the earth tried to snuff out its existence as soon as it was born, attacking from six directions. The problem in that thinking, is, "Who is the mother"? The trusting church? THEY are the ones who will suffer for 3½ years:
Rev 12
[15] And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
[16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 17
[12] And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
[13] These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
[14] These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Rev 13
[4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Did the believing church somehow give birth to the modern State of Israel? Bible-believing Christians have certainly been Israel's mainstay in the past several decades. Perhaps the woman has not given birth yet. Perhaps we are still in labor. Israel exists; but is he a MAN child? He is too timid to take control of the Temple Mount, and to rebuild the temple; too timid to definitively say, "No -- We will NOT have two states here; God gave this land to ONE state, and one state only!" They won't do it, because too many of them are waiting for Messiah to do it for them. Maybe Messiah wants to be IN them.
Shalom shalom
BlandOatmeal said:''I challenge you or anyone, to find a logical reason for this world-wide enmity against the Jewish state. ''
BlandOatmeal said:On the map, the yellow, orange and green countries all consistently vote against Israel. Since the US and Canada nearly always support Israel, this ends up in their voting against the North Americans at the same time. Europe only votes with the US about half the time. Behind that number, is the fact that the votes where Europe votes AGAINST the US are usually resolutions condemning and attempting to undermine Israel. Outside of the US, Canada and a few Pacific islands, then, the entire world has a beef against Israel. The votes are identical whether the country is Muslim, Hindu, Atheist or Christian; and the Arabs are no more opposed to Israel than, say, the Chinese.
It is this psychological war that I am mainly concerned with, a war that can and probably will end up in a physical attack on Israel the moment the US abandons that country.''
On Purim, Jews traditionally dress up in costumes. I dressed as a Baptist minister.For more than eleven years, Israel has been wildly celebrating the success of its 9/11 operation against the United States of America. The latest example: Israeli children recently dressed up as the burning Twin Towers, complete with impaled exploding airplanes, to celebrate the bizarre Jewish holiday known as Purim.
Purim exalts and commemorates an ancient operation very much like 9/11. It glorifies the deceptions of Esther, who concealed her Jewish identity to seduce the King of Persia, then slyly tricked him into slaughtering 75,000 people deemed enemies of the Jews.
In other words, Purim celebrates Jews lying, secretly penetrating the highest levels of government, and manipulating the leaders of an empire into mass-murdering perceived enemies of the Jewish people. That is exactly what the neoconservative Likudnik extremists - Wolfowitz, Perle, Libby, and the rest - did on September 11th, 2001. The only difference is that these modern, neocon Esthers would eventually kill millions of innocent people, not just 75,000.
And if they succeed in tricking the US into attacking Iran on behalf of Israel, thereby launching World War III, today's neocon Esthers could kill tens or even hundreds of millions.
Hi, Petrus.''Man plans and God laughs.'' Hebrew proverb
Trouble as we see it is not how God sees it. Neither is friendship. While most people consider USA to be a friend and ally of Israel, God does not.
Any nation or group of nations that supports partitioning the land of Israel to give to another nation is an enemy of God. The USA is part of the ''Quartet,'' comprised of USA, Russia, the UN & the EU.
I was watching this show on Vision TV with Sid Roth and another man who noticed that natural disasters immediately hit a member of the Quartet after making a speech or proposal regarding the partitioning of Israel.
The weather in the US the last few years has been horrific. Europe's had that heatwave that killed hundreds and freak storms and frigid winters not seen in centuries. The day England rejected an Israeli advertisement to tour Jerusalem (including E. Jerusalem), that volcano from Iceland blew and grounded UK's planes (and their tourism).
Every overture by the Quartet to partition Israel has been met with God's chastisement, either the same day or the same week. The guest correlated the actions of the Quartet with the prophesy in Zechariah 1:18-21.
18 Then I raised my eyes and looked, and there were four horns. 19 And I said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these?” So he answered me, “These are the horns that have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem.” 20 Then the Lord showed me four craftsmen. 21 And I said, “What are these coming to do?”
So he said, “These are the horns that scattered Judah, so that no one could lift up his head; but the craftsmen are coming to terrify them, to cast out the horns of the nations that lifted up their horn (singular as is the Quartet) against the land of Judah to scatter it.”
The only way that destruction and captivity can afflict Israel, as it was in the Old Testament, is by Israel's own disobedience and their spiritual ''adultery.''
The Book of Daniel, the Gospels, and Revelation all allude to the Antichrist who will declare himself God on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem and lay waste to the nations of the Earth, starting with Israel.