The Science of Science; or, the true Scientology

Can science study the supernatural (et al)?

  • Yes

  • No

  • No, by the definition of 'science'.

  • No, by the definition of 'supernatural'.


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Elendur

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How is it contradictory? Scientific Fact is that The Shroud was caused by a Burst of UV light By Jesus Of Nazareth's Body, Making it Supernatural and Proves for a Fact, He is The Christ, He is God Himself, God exists and The Bible is The Objective Truth.
What is the definition of "fact" to you? It's obviously not the same as the one I'm using.

I proclaim victory because, I was victorious.
You proclaim victory because you think it'll sway those who hasn't read the 'exchange'.

Because it's true, look at how the pharisees got upset. as I kid I used to lose at everything and hated the truth, I know how it feels.
I'm afraid you're not faring much better now. Calm down and argue rationally.

Why? because I won? If an NBA player won the playoffs, he can boast and celebrate, however I win and debate and proclaim victory yet I look bad. more like you don't like that I won it. I'm not some average joe who you're going to sucker, alot of Brothers in Christ have been lost because of deception, fairy tale myths of "naturalism"/"atheism" were conned to them and unfortunately they didn't have the science to refute it where I not only have the great rebuttals to defend my arguments, but Facts to defend myself, Fellow Brothers in Christ who don't know it and The Word(The Holy Bible).
Here's some facts for you:
You did not "win".
I'm not trying to "sucker" you (whatever that means).
You haven't used any science in your arguments.

Notice how I ended this whole topic with one post? This isn't my logic but Science, History, The Bible, Philosophy, Logical and The Holy Spirit working in me that I want other Brothers in Christ to have when defending Jesus Christ(God), that's how easy "atheism" can be refuted and thrown in the trash.
Lucky me I'm not an atheist then.
You did not end it though.

P.S. Actually attempt a rebuttal next time.
My previous post wasn't an attempt to argue against you, you would have noticed if you had read it properly.
I was trying to inform you of your lacking debating skills (including your behavior) and of an error you had committed.

In other words I win, because you were incapable of refuting me, you refute everyone else, why not me?
This is an example of your inexperience in debating. Mistaking a lack of response as a win. You might expect the same reasoning from a child.

Calm down and debate rationally.
 
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Ok then, please prove how my arrogance is hilarious and are of insufficient calibre to be worth refuting.
No.

In the meanwhile I'll prove why you know I'm proving The Truth:

1, you never beat me in a debate.
That A has never been compared with B doesn't mean one is automatically superior to the other. You're confusing 'never beaten' with 'lost to'.

2, you slandered The Bible
And this proves the Bible is true? If I slander the Qu'ran, will you start going to a Mosque? That you honestly believe this is a valid argument is why your posts are of insufficient calibre to bother refuting. Pearls, swine, etc.

3, I disproved "macro-evolution"
You think you did, and you're incapable of seeing your error. This mental block of yours is one of the reasons I don't bother refuting your posts any more.

4, I proved that you're "nothing causing something" is an impossibility and that God can only be The First Uncaused Cause which you had no escape from a lost.
See (3).

5, I proved Jesus Christ/God is a Scientifically proven Fact.
See (3).

your turn.
Indeed.
 
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It was caused by a burst of light from the body, that is a Scientific Fact.
What do you mean its a "scientific fact"? On what are you basing this claim?

And assuming, for the sake of argument, you are correct, how is it a scientific fact that the body in question was Jesus' as you earlier claimed?
 
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What is the definition of "fact" to you? It's obviously not the same as the one I'm using.

I agree your definition seems to be "opinion", sorry my definition is is something that has really occurred or is actually the case.


You proclaim victory because you think it'll sway those who hasn't read the 'exchange'.

I proclaim victory because I simply was, The Victor, I provided irrefutable proof and Facts that you didn't respond to.

I'm afraid your not faring much better now. Calm down and argue rationally.

Calm down to what? see that sick tactic? It's like the kid who didn't get the girl but his friend did, so he tries to embarrass him, make him look bad, say lies, etc, what do I need to calm down from?

Here's some facts for you:
You did not "win".
I'm not trying to "sucker" you (whatever that means).
You haven't used any science in your arguments.

Prove it.


Lucky me I'm not an atheist then.
You did not end it though.

Ok then a B-agnostic, Biased "agnostic".


My previous post wasn't an attempt to argue against you, you would have noticed if you had read it properly.
I was trying to inform you of your lacking debating skills (including your behavior) and of an error you had committed.

No reason to reply to me other than a rebuttal, insulting me out of the blue saying I make myself look bad, which shows insecurity.


This is an example of your inexperience in debating. Mistaking a lack of response as a win. You might expect the same reasoning from a child.

Calm down and debate rationally.

So if someone doesn't reply, what other than waving the white flag does that prove?

Also, I am not calm, because I'm glad I won the debate.



Then I am not arrogant(confident, not arrogant, everyone should be confident in Christ, arrogance is wrong) and I am not of insufficient calibre, therefore I'm worth refuting, you have no excuse..


That A has never been compared with B doesn't mean one is automatically superior to the other. You're confusing 'never beaten' with 'lost to'.

Not only have you never beaten me, but I never lost to you and never finished a debate with you without me winning or you giving up.


And this proves the Bible is true? If I slander the Qu'ran, will you start going to a Mosque? That you honestly believe this is a valid argument is why your posts are of insufficient calibre to bother refuting. Pearls, swine, etc.

See that strawman-type tactic? I mentioned that you slandered The Bile to show you are not a good debater.

You think you did, and you're incapable of seeing your error. This mental block of yours is one of the reasons I don't bother refuting your posts any more.

Ok show me how so I could correct it, otherwise I'm right.
 
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Then I am not arrogant(confident, not arrogant, everyone should be confident in Christ, arrogance is wrong) and I am not of insufficient calibre, therefore I'm worth refuting, you have no excuse..
You're mistaken. That I won't prove those things to you doesn't prove that you aren't those things. You're committing the fallacy fallacy.

Not only have you never beaten me, but I never lost to you and never finished a debate with you without me winning or you giving up.
The latter is the only outcome of our exchanges - eventually, smacking one's head into a brick wall becomes boring. If you think that proves your claims true, that once more underlines the insufficiency of your posts.

See that strawman-type tactic? I mentioned that you slandered The Bile to show you are not a good debater.
You mentioned I slandered the Bible because you genuinely think that proves your point. Ironically, it merely proves mine.

Ok show me how so I could correct it, otherwise I'm right.
Your dichotomy is false. If it happens that I don't post a refutation - perhaps I die by a freak meteor accident before I finish writing - that doesn't prove you right. Again, you're invoking the fallacy fallacy. Again, you're confusing apathy with inability.
 
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I agree your definition seems to be "opinion", sorry my definition is is something that has really occurred or is actually the case.
Knowledge or information based on real occurrences. That's my definition of facts. So no, it's not "opinion".
Could you explain how the interpretation, that the shroud was created by a flash of UV light, is a fact?

I proclaim victory because I simply was, The Victor, I provided irrefutable proof and Facts that you didn't respond to.
You provided with few facts and no irrefutable proofs.
Would you like to hear the explanation of why you shouldn't talk about proofs and proving when talking about the real world?

Calm down to what? see that sick tactic? It's like the kid who didn't get the girl but his friend did, so he tries to embarrass him, make him look bad, say lies, etc, what do I need to calm down from?
Your frantic repeating of proclaiming wins, for one. Then you have a clear aggressive tone to what you're writing.

Prove it.
1. I don't prove things outside of mathematics.
2. I will support the points if you'd like, except for the last one. It's tedious work to quote all posts you've written in order to support one point, which would be needed to support that point.
3. I take it that the verb "sucker" is illustrated in this link?
sucker - Idioms - by the Free Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Ok then a B-agnostic, Biased "agnostic".
I'm biased, sure, however I dare say I'm less biased than you.

No reason to reply to me other than a rebuttal, insulting me out of the blue saying I make myself look bad, which shows insecurity.
Indeed, I am insecure about many things about myself, however that's not the reason I posted my response.
There are many reasons to why one might respond to your posts, I responded because I thought that you might improve your technique.

So if someone doesn't reply, what other than waving the white flag does that prove?
It doesn't prove anything. It might indicate several things though. One of them is that the person in question have better things to do that to argue with you. Another interpretation might be that he/she is sick of you.

Also, I am not calm, because I'm glad I won the debate.
See the link provided in the bottom of my post.

Then I am not arrogant(confident, not arrogant, everyone should be confident in Christ, arrogance is wrong) and I am not of insufficient calibre, therefore I'm worth refuting, you have no excuse..

Not only have you never beaten me, but I never lost to you and never finished a debate with you without me winning or you giving up.

See that strawman-type tactic? I mentioned that you slandered The Bile to show you are not a good debater.

Ok show me how so I could correct it, otherwise I'm right.
If You Can’t Prove Me Wrong, then I Must be Right
 
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