It kind of sounds like you're saying that evidence for an old earth is an argument questioning religious beliefs? We have a history of talking past each other, so I'm pretty sure I'm missing something here.
Also, what do you do when deeply held religious beliefs are almost inseparably intertwined with the misrepresentations of science? E.g. you may be pointing out how YEC resources get the science of radiometric dating wrong, but a YEC reading your words may well perceive this as an attack against their literalist belief.
Yes, almost all of it! Evolution...godless history..vile music, sex education, etc etc.
That's nice.
I was willing to listen to him about the anti-religion thing, but then it just started getting weird. I gave up after he called Sandra Fluck something the profanity filter won't let me type out over including contraception in health insurance plans. While the free contraception issue might be ethically tricky with religious organisations, calling her derogatory names and assuming all kinds of things about her sex life because of one stance she took is nothing but blind prejudice. (Not to mention not being terribly tolerant of "dissent")
This man has been a practicing scientist for decades. Right, in industry and not academia, but he must have seen some scientific debate. He must have seen how difficult it can be to get scientists to agree on anything. When there is such overwhelming consensus on an issue that started out as controversial, there is a reason. To me, the above just sounds like he's got a chip on his shoulder because his pet hypothesis isn't taken seriously. Quoting a Daily Fail article about one stupid thing one professor may or may not have really said doesn't help his case.
What can I say. I like Morton's Demon and IIRC he had some neat resources on his site... but tantrums like this make me not miss his contribution as much as I might otherwise have.
Well, not the building per se, but he's removed his website from the Internet has posted a rather long and slightly bitter post explaining why here:
Why I took my creation web pages down
Scripture and verse? We are not talking about non founding beliefs here are we? If so we can start with atheism and science so called. They whacked em by the cities full, literally. A Christian martyr lays down his life to save as many as possible. Those that are suicide bombers lay down their life to kill as many as possible. Big difference!
So? Does TV and movies and Obama speeches get limited to the US??
Right, the Satanic godless school system.
His policies are not are you aware of that? This isn't personal (unless the guy sets up an abomination on the temple mount or something)
EDMONTON, Alberta, February 23, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) Under Albertas new Education Act, homeschoolers and faith-based schools will not be permitted to teach that ****sexual acts are sinful as part of their academic program, says the spokesperson for Education Minister Thomas Lukaszuk.
"¶ At Pace High School near Pensacola, Fla., teachers cited the Bible as fact in class and one teacher preached to students with a bullhorn as they arrived at school. In litigation that ended in July, the Santa Rosa County district agreed to stop promotion of religion but said that teachers could pray in private settings and could use expressions like God bless you.
¶ In Sumner County, Tenn., teachers led students in prayer and Bible study, and allowed Gideons International to distribute Bibles during school hours. Officials agreed this month to end the practices.
We continue to see, on a regular basis across the country, public school officials who include prayer in school events, try to convert students and engage in other promotion of religion, said Heather Weaver, a lawyer with the A.C.L.U.s program on religious freedom.
In recent years, public school officials have engaged in these activities even more aggressively, Ms. Weaver added.
Christian legal advocates counter that such plain violations are far less common than the opposite problem: overzealous officials trying to cleanse the schools of religion, punishing students for protected speech like personal prayer or handing out devotional messages to their friends.
The free-speech rights of students and teachers are under an all-out assault, said Kelly Shackelford, president of the Liberty Institute, a Christian legal group in Plano, Tex. He described one continuing legal case in which children had pencils ripped out of their hands because they carried a Christian message and students were banned from writing Merry Christmas to the soldiers.
Despite such disputes, legal religious expression is more present in schools now than it has been for decades, said Charles Haynes, a senior scholar at the First Amendment Center in Washington who advises school districts and helped develop teacher guidelines that are consistent with the law. It has been firmly established, he said, that students may pray if it is not disruptive, and can share their faith with other students. Teachers may pray with other teachers outside of class, though not in front of students during school hours.
But gray areas persist and dozens of bitter disputes erupt every year over the propriety of student prayers at graduations and football games (usually ruled illegal if given over a loudspeaker to a captive audience) or whether children can hand out written prayers at a Christmas party (permissible in theory, some experts say, but courts have allowed school officials to make judgments based on the circumstances).
Watchdog groups like the A.C.L.U., Americans United for Separation of Church and State and the Freedom From Religion Foundation say that in the last few years, they have learned more often about what they call blatant violations like the South Carolina rally. It is unclear, they say, whether the number of such events is growing, or whether they are now more likely to come to light. But still, these advocates say, even when clear violations occur, concerned families are often reluctant to bring legal challenges because they fear social hostility.
The September prayer rally at New Heights Middle School in Jefferson had deep support in the community. With a population of 47,000, Chesterfield County supports at least 200 Christian churches, according to Paul Wood Jr., pastor of the First United Methodist Church in Cheraw, S.C.
Theres not a lot of religious diversity here, so it becomes hard for people to believe that everybody isnt a Christian, said Mr. Wood, who was perhaps the only pastor in the county to publicly question the rally.
The students were addressed by Christian Chapman of Charlotte, N.C., who describes himself as a traveling evangelist and often speaks at schools, he said in an interview.
I definitely think that we should try to get our relationship with Christ back into the schools, said Mr. Chapman, 43. Jesus represents everything we want our students to live by.
For non-Christians to hear this message, he said, is no worse than Bible believers being forced to hear about evolution every day."
Battling Anew Over the Place of Religion in Public Schools - NYTimes.com
Insanity, nowhere in the bible do we find God telling people that.This is what you said:
"If God told them it was OK, nothing else is needed."
That is exactly the mind set that leads to people smashing airplanes into buildings.
I guess the main point was freedom. The curtailed freedoms and court challenges to Christmas plays, crosses, prayer, bible and etc etc...show us that people like Glen are tight on the money in noticing the unbalance.Are we talking about christian persecution in the US or not? I will gladly agree that christians are persecuted in other countries because they are.
How would you know? If Satan sought to shoo God from schools and supplant scripture with science it seems he succeeded.I will agree that it is secular, but it is not Satanic.
Tomatoe..tomato.It is not so much godless as areligious.
But they can push Sodomy and tell kids it is ok not to believe.No teacher is allowed to tell students that they should not believe in God during school hours and in their roles as teachers.
Absurd. Like one is supposed to spend lunchtime studying the boring old bible. Kids need it taught and explained.No teacher is allowed to stop students from praying or reading their Bible in their free time.
Nonsense. Are you talking just about the US? One translation of the word antichrist is to replace Christ. So by offering anything but Christ and making God like a secret disease that is uncool while promoting anti biblical anti God things, they are truly in the antichrist spirit, despite the hypocritical charade.There are massive restrictions put on teachers to protect the religious beliefs of students. How is that Satanic?
The opposition to Godly marriage, and respect of babies lives come to mind. When one makes the ways of Gomorrah the government guiding light, and goes against God, then guess who gets gagged?Which of his policies supports the persecution of christians?
Well, it depends who you believe. Many times schools will put on a self righteous face and claim the punishment was for something else.Where is Alberta? I clearly asked nowhere in the UNITED STATES is it illegal for students to read their Bible during their free time. IN THE UNITED STATES. Please, read what I write.
That is all they do do! Preach ungosly evolution lifestyle and etc.Yes, that is in line with the US Constitution. Teachers are not allowed to evangelize during their work hours.
Yes that is all they are, but the evangelization may not include the truth of God.Public schools are not places for publicly paid government employees to evangelize.
They are also not allowed to tell students that they should not believe in God. The subject is just avoided as it should be. I don't see why this is a problem.
Glad you think reading the bible is absurd and boring. Well said, dad!Absurd. Like one is supposed to spend lunchtime studying the boring old bible. Kids need it taught and explained.
Insanity, nowhere in the bible do we find God telling people that.
I guess the main point was freedom.
How would you know? If Satan sought to shoo God from schools and supplant scripture with science it seems he succeeded.
But they can push Sodomy and tell kids it is ok not to believe.
Absurd. Like one is supposed to spend lunchtime studying the boring old bible. Kids need it taught and explained.
Nonsense. Are you talking just about the US?
One translation of the word antichrist is to replace Christ. So by offering anything but Christ and making God like a secret disease that is uncool while promoting anti biblical anti God things, they are truly in the antichrist spirit, despite the hypocritical charade.
The opposition to Godly marriage, and respect of babies lives come to mind. When one makes the ways of Gomorrah the government guiding light, and goes against God, then guess who gets gagged?
"EAST COUNTY A student who claims he was suspended for talking about Christianity to classmates and banned from bringing his Bible to campus has filed a federal lawsuit against an East County school district."
Student booted in Bible flap suing school district | UTSanDiego.com
That is all they do do! Preach ungosly evolution lifestyle and etc.
Yes that is all they are, but the evangelization may not include the truth of God.
When they teach children against God's word that is what they are doing.
You pretend that God only speaks through the Bible.
For a poor kid trying to read it I suspect it could be.Glad you think reading the bible is absurd and boring. Well said, dad!
Why, where have you heard Him outside of His word?You pretend that God only speaks through the Bible.
Nonsense. There is little freedom and less freedom to promote and enjoy God and His word.What you seem to be missing is that freedom of religion is not a freedom given to the government, and that includes public schools and teachers while they are working as teachers. That freedom is given to citizens.
Neither is anyone attendingThe government is not stopping churches from putting on christmas plays. The government is not stopping people from attending. No one is being arrested because they are preaching in churches.
Because we do not see scripture and Jesus and salvation taught in said schools.How do you know?
Yes they can and do in a defacto way.No, they can't.
No. They need a believing population and nation. Since Christians in the US traditionally constituted a majority of the population it is a travesty of justice to have them shoved into a closet while the godless get the red carpet treatment.Then they need to go to church where such things are taught and explained.
Then speak of more.Yes, I am.
When God's word and people are suppressed that is persecution.You are seriously putting this forward as evidence of persecution? Really?
Promoting the killing of babies and the replacement of traditional unions with something else.Name one Obama policy that is opposed to Godly marriage or the respect of babies lives. Just one.
The bigger question to me is why don't people file more.And why do you think they filed a lawsuit?
Forgot the comma. So that was teach ungodly evolution, and lifestyles.There is no such thing as "evolution lifestyle". Do you notice how you have to make stuff up?
That depends if they make it clear their knowledge ends with the fishbowl and present state!So if they teach heliocentrism, that is teaching against God's word?
False. He spoke through scripture, dad just read some of that.Even worse... dad pretends that God only speaks through dad!
Why, where have you heard Him outside of His word?
There is little freedom and less freedom to promote and enjoy God and His word.
Because we do not see scripture and Jesus and salvation taught in said schools.
Promoting the killing of babies and the replacement of traditional unions with something else.
So that was teach ungodly evolution, and lifestyles.
It better agree with the bible though...so who cares?Many people claim to.
Fine, keep the illusion of freedom. The US has the highest incarceration rate if I recall of any country on earth. It often has the draft. It has mandatory education. It has migrant workers living under less than open working conditions. It has restrictions of liberties of bible believers in almost every sphere. While it hasn't yet started openly torturing and killing believers (except many Muslims) I think that the trend is clear.It is lies like this that really hurt your arguments.
And this also really hurts your arguments. A refusal to turn our country into a theocracy is not persecution. It never has been. Get over it.
False. Millions are killed each year and the sacred institution of marriage has been gutterized, as well as the family.No one is promoting the killing of babies, and no one is looking to replace christian marriages.
It is when the meaning involves evolving beyond creation and from some other point of origin!Evolution is no more ungodly than gravity or atoms.
So called science, which is unrelated to knowledge and fact and is not science in fact. When you teach how to make a bridge, or mix chemicals and things that involve the real world, that is different. When you teach that God never created but push your baseless fantasies as the truth, then you are forcing evil on the kids. I can't wait till He comes to stop all that once and for all.Teaching science is now on your list of ways to persecute christians. How pathetic.
Is that why you have so much trouble interpreting scripture?For a poor kid trying to read it I suspect it could be.
And then you added all that "split/merge" dadology to it.. and claimed it was God's Word.False. He spoke through scripture, dad just read some of that.
It better agree with the bible though...so who cares?
It has restrictions of liberties of bible believers in almost every sphere.
While it hasn't yet started openly torturing and killing believers (except many Muslims) I think that the trend is clear.
People being forced to be quiet about God's views on life topics qualify as suppression and persecution.
The open promotion of evil things means that the process of fermenting into darkness and evil is accelerated.
False. Millions are killed each year and the sacred institution of marriage has been gutterized, as well as the family.
It is when the meaning involves evolving beyond creation and from some other point of origin!
So called science, which is unrelated to knowledge and fact and is not science in fact.