I could also ask you the same question: where do you get your ideas about what is right and wrong from?
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Where does the atheist/humanist get their morality from?
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I could also ask you the same question: where do you get your ideas about what is right and wrong from?
Once again (like B.M.Hubbard) this is not unusual thinking. It is the thinking of the elites, pure and simple. The world (in their relativistic fog) will realise this when it's too late!
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is mass psychology... Its importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda. Of these the most influential is what is called education. Religion plays a part, though a diminishing one: the press, the cinema, and the radio play an increasing part... It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything if he can catch the patient young and is provided by the State with money and equipment.
Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen...
... Fitche laid it down that education should be aimed at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished.
Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organised insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton."
Bertrand Russell, eugenicist and Fabian Society member, in his 1953 book, The Impact of Science on Society
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is mass psychology... Its importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda. Of these the most influential is what is called education. Religion plays a part, though a diminishing one: the press, the cinema, and the radio play an increasing part... It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything if he can catch the patient young and is provided by the State with money and equipment.
Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen...
... Fitche laid it down that education should be aimed at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished.
Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organised insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton."
Bertrand Russell, eugenicist and Fabian Society member, in his 1953 book, The Impact of Science on Society
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It's interesting that a later reprint of the book I quoted, removed that passage. I don't think she is talking solely about Christians. She is (IMO) talking about anyone who will refuse to comply with the NWO. Many of them will be Christians however (the ones that aren't deceived anyhow!)
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Was he actually advocating that or was he worried that such a thing might happen in the future? Bertrand Russel was a socialist and for that reason wasn't too keen on "ruling classes" even existing in the first place. He wanted a more egalitarian classless society. What he was predicting there seems more like a capitalist society where the ruling class had better propaganda and techniques of control.
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Illuminaughty
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That statement leads me to question if that quote was ever in the book to begin with. Are you quoting a copy that you actually have or did you just read it at a conspiracy theory website?
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Here are some other questions that you asked, that I could also ask you:
Who gets to decide this for society?
What's makes your morality more moral than mine?
Where does the conscience come from?
Whose to decide who's conscience is 'correct'?
What's makes your morality more moral than mine?
Where does the conscience come from?
Whose to decide who's conscience is 'correct'?
In addition, why is the Bible necessary for morality? Why not the Koran? Or some other holy book? Or no holy book at all?
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No they aren't.
We do good things because we want to do good things.
You do good things because of cosmic external rewards and punishments.
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Morality is generally imparted by the society one is a part of. This is true of both members who are religious and not. This should be pretty obvious by the way morality standards have changed over the years. The moral code of the day is taught to youth, then as the person ages they seek to find the reasons for what they already hold as a moral code. Those of a religious bent may justify their morality by picking out things from their scripture of choice, while atheists may instead turn to the works of Jung or Kant.
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Bertrand Russell is from one of the foremost Illuminati bloodline families... the notorious Russell family.
The ruling classes love socialism (and created it) because it is what the NWO will be. Playing off capitalism and socialism is how they operate. It's known as the 'Hegelian dialectic'.
Thesis + antithesis = synthesis
Translation: play off opposing sides against each other and direct the outcome. Divide and conquer is another way to put. Make sure you control both sides and the outcome is certain to be in your favour.
Russell was not a nice man (despite his attempts to appear so)
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Bit presumptuous on your behalf Mr. Mabo!
Your namesake did a bit more research before he took on the High Court! (which is why he won, I believe)
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Was waiting for that
Good to see your on the ball, Illuminaughty.
I don't have a copy of the book but will try to track one down. I need the evidence as much as anyone!
I read an article a while ago by someone who claimed to have the book in front of them and wrote extensively about it in the article. Judging by the way the person wrote and the integrity I perceived coming from them, I believed them.
Sorry, I don't have anything more concrete than that. Will see if Amazon has a copy as it's something I'd like to have in my hands!
EDIT: They do have a copy. Have ordered and will get back to you when it arrives.
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Meanwhile...
...we can safely ignore anything you have to say on most matters.
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Christians believe that the Universe was not an accident, but was created by God, and that for a time, He came to earth in the person of Jesus Christ and lived a perfect, sinless life; a life, filled with love, that we should all emulate.
So where does a Christian's ability to decide what is right and what is wrong come from?
1. Our God-given internal sense of what is right and what is wrong; that is, our conscience. Physically, this is part of our brain, something programmed into the genetic make-up of every human being, and therefore, able to be passed on from generation to generation. It was there in Adam, and is present in every human being living on the earth today. That is why every human being, not matter where they live on the Earth knows it is wrong to murder, wrong to steal, etc.
2. The edicts in the Bible, principally the 10 Commandments and the Golden Rule.
3. The Holy Spirit; that is God who comes to live within us when we come to have faith in Jesus Christ and trust in Him to guide us through life and follow His perfect example of love and sinless living.
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Unfortunately, of course, every human being sins, and therefore falls short of the standards that God wants us to live by. But that doesn't make those shortcomings right, or justify the horrible atrocious that have been committed in the name of Christianity. When we follow Jesus, we are granted forgiveness for committing those sins- but we are also warned to repent and sin no more; we are not to use Jesus's promise as an excuse for continuing to sin; quite the contrary.
But the combination of our conscience, the Commandments, and the direction given us by the Holy Spirit gives us an absolute standard; a perfect example of how we are to live our lives. If we could all do that, the world would truly be a much better place to be.
And that is why it is worth considering what Christianity has to offer.
So where does a Christian's ability to decide what is right and what is wrong come from?
1. Our God-given internal sense of what is right and what is wrong; that is, our conscience. Physically, this is part of our brain, something programmed into the genetic make-up of every human being, and therefore, able to be passed on from generation to generation. It was there in Adam, and is present in every human being living on the earth today. That is why every human being, not matter where they live on the Earth knows it is wrong to murder, wrong to steal, etc.
2. The edicts in the Bible, principally the 10 Commandments and the Golden Rule.
3. The Holy Spirit; that is God who comes to live within us when we come to have faith in Jesus Christ and trust in Him to guide us through life and follow His perfect example of love and sinless living.
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Unfortunately, of course, every human being sins, and therefore falls short of the standards that God wants us to live by. But that doesn't make those shortcomings right, or justify the horrible atrocious that have been committed in the name of Christianity. When we follow Jesus, we are granted forgiveness for committing those sins- but we are also warned to repent and sin no more; we are not to use Jesus's promise as an excuse for continuing to sin; quite the contrary.
But the combination of our conscience, the Commandments, and the direction given us by the Holy Spirit gives us an absolute standard; a perfect example of how we are to live our lives. If we could all do that, the world would truly be a much better place to be.
And that is why it is worth considering what Christianity has to offer.
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Which bit of this statement didn't you like Eddy?
"Bertrand Russell is from one of the foremost Illuminati bloodline families..."
More famous Russell's
Charles Taze Russell (started Jehovah's Witnesses, Zionist, Freemason, occultist)
William Huntington Russell (founder of Skull and Bones Society, Yale)
Lord John Russell (Committee of 300)
And lots of others...
The Russell's were intimately involved with the opium trade (East India Company) and run much of the drug trade today (Skull and Bones).
They are heavily involved in Mormonism too.
They are deeply occult and very, very elite!
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Sorry, was meaning to get to them and got distracted.
Who gets to decide this for society?
God via scripture.
What's makes your morality more moral than mine?
In a society under the Judeo-Christian ethic, this question is irrelevant.
Where does the conscience come from?
God.
Whose to decide who's conscience is 'correct'?
The Bible.
In addition, why is the Bible necessary for morality? Why not the Koran? Or some other holy book? Or no holy book at all?
As an ex-Muslim (amongst other things) I can tell you that being under sharia law would not be pleasant (if you are a non-Muslim). The Koran is a very blood-thirtsy book!
The Bhagavad Gita certainly speaks of morality but it's teachings on karma lead to the poor being left to suffer and the elitist Brahman caste system.
Cannot think of any other holy book of any note. (the Book of Mormon?!?!... don't get me started) :o
No holy book?... that leaves us solely with the conscience and no way to determine who's conscience is more correct. The tendency is to just shrug our shoulders and we are left with Crowley' maxim:
Jay Z... pillar of the community :o
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Sorry, was meaning to get to them and got distracted.
Who gets to decide this for society?
God via scripture.
Which God and which Scripture?
Which God?
Whose interpretation of the Bible?
The Bible does not give us a way of determining this either. Recall that the Bible was used by both the abolitionists and anti-abolitionists to justify their respective positions on the issue of slavery. Differences between Christian denominations on matters of theology and ethics often stem from conflicting interpretations of the same text. So if the Bible is to determine whose conscience is right, then how are we to determine whose interpretation of the Bible is right?
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Yahweh aka Jehovah. The Bible.
See above.
Good questions and not easily answered. Good point on the issue of slavery.
I should say, I am not in any way calling for a theocracy. I believe in freedom of religion and the separation of church and state. I believe in freedom full-stop, but when those freedoms bring teenage pregnancy, inappropriate contentography, abortion, the breakdown in the family and violence in the media (to name a few) then they aren't really freedoms are they!
The finer points can be debated but the above points I mentioned should not. They are a result of the shifting sands of relativism which always heads in the direction of decay. You don't need to be a Christian to see this or to agree that Christian values are the most likely to produce a harmonious society.
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