Is Showing Cleavage Immodest? What Does the Bible Say?

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Sorry I have no desire to have clothing tight up to my neck, and that is the only way I will be able to avoid "cleavage"

I've never seen breasts on any women that were on their collar bones! I would see a doctor.
 
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Showing any skin aside from the face or hands is a sin. Christian women should keep covered at all times lest they tempt us. A good burkha would be a nice choice to keep brothers from stumbling.

Sure...and I thought self-control was a gift of the Spirit.
 
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Using the excuse of self control is not the exucse to use sometimes.

I grew up with amazing self control. I am 30 years old and never did drugs, never drank, never smoked. And no I did not "try it" either. I didn't even have sex until 27. Yes self control is a factor, but people should not "tempt" you either. Especially as a male.

Example I often went to the beach because we live right near Lake Erie. Well sure there was women that I would "notice". Even when you don't mean to, you still sometimes look. Well there was this one girl in our homeschool group (made up of christians and non-christians), well she were practically a g-string looking bikini (which later she was told not to).

When I would swim in the water with everyone else she would come near me put her hands on me trying to get me aroused. Once she even told me we could have sex out in the water and no one would notice so she slipped off her bottom of her bikini and tried rubbing herself on me. It was easy to ignore her and swim away. BUt as time went on it was increasingly making me start to think lustful thoughts.

Eventually I told one her one last time to stop or else I'd let her mother know and the leader of the group. She stopped. But from the on she would "Tease" like when we were at the bowling alley she would purposly bend over in front of me so I could see up her skirt or down her shirt. In the end she ended up getting pregnant by some guy a few months later and stopped talking to me.

So my point is while we do need self control, people should not tempt others either. To me your being just as sinful to tempt someone (especially a man). Everyone has a breaking point.

As a male I've learned to control my "sexual" nature alot. I no longer think of anything bad whe I see nudity in a movie. I don't look at stuff I shouldn't online. If I stumble across it like in an ad I just ignore it. Now to me the body is a beautiful thing that shouldn't be thought of sexually. Well not until your married obviously. It helps though since I was going to be a doctor originally. I had studied the human body like crazy learning how things work so I was used to a nude body of a male and female.
 
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Yea, covered the other side of the issue in post # 200.

Above comments were aimed at a rather extreme point of view at the other end of the spectrum.

Do agree it's a matter for both sides to consider, and seek to act responsibly/reasonably within the principle of Christ's Golden Rule.

Plus the original topic was mainly about clothing, and not someone physically touching/acting as a seductress.

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Using the excuse of self control is not the exucse to use sometimes.
I don't think its an a excuse I think that it is an reality.
I grew up with amazing self control. I am 30 years old and never did drugs, never drank, never smoked. And no I did not "try it" either. I didn't even have sex until 27.I smoked weed for the first time when I was about 12, 11 years old and I had sex frequently by the time I turned 13. I grew up around nothing but drug dealers(and I don't mean weed) but I still managed to check off goals and have never been arrested. The things you brought up really don't mean you have self control.

Yes self control is a factor, but people should not "tempt" you either. Especially as a male.


That statement just makes men look like some weak guys with a drooling mouth. And that is not me a woman can wear what ever she wants around me and if I do notice her I am going to think "oh she has nice body" end of thought. Im not going to go into a deep lustful thought about her. I am a grown man and not only that I respect women as more then just sex partners.
Example I often went to the beach because we live right near Lake Erie. Well sure there was women that I would "notice". Even when you don't mean to, you still sometimes look.
But that is not all men that is you. I have been to Jamaica several times and I have seen some people wear very little clothing. I didn't think "oh boy I wish I could have sex with her." I thought "oh many its going to be a hot two weeks I better get me a fishnet shirt." I am not going to sit there and allow myself to have a sexual relationship with a woman in my mind. The reason why is because I am a man not a 16 or 15 year old kid. A woman can wear what ever she wants she come and we can have meeting and she be bare naked if all I'm thinking about is a paycheck. I could careless when I'm in school its the same thing.

Well there was this one girl in our homeschool group (made up of christians and non-christians), well she were practically a g-string looking bikini (which later she was told not to).

Even if she wore a G string around me I wouldn't have noticed her. Might of though "oh she's nasty coming out the house like that but some bodies is going to try and get with her." Or I would have thought "Nice body cute face funny legs though I wouldn't have deep lustful thoughts or chemical reactions.

When I would swim in the water with everyone else she would come near me put her hands on me trying to get me aroused. Once she even told me we could have sex out in the water and no one would notice so she slipped off her bottom of her bikini and tried rubbing herself on me. It was easy to ignore her and swim away. BUt as time went on it was increasingly making me start to think lustful thoughts.

See the fact is you had the lustful thoughts. And you are blaming her but you should be blaming yourself. Clearly she wanted to have sex you did not once that was established it is on you to make that clear. If I was in your position that would have never happened. And if it did happen to me I would not have been turned on at all. I was never attracted to women that get around and if a woman is to easy I don't even want to talk to them. The first woman that made me chase her I married and at times I lust after my wife. I have inappropriate thoughts about her at work and start to have chemical reactions but it has nothing to do with what she is wearing.

Eventually I told one her one last time to stop or else I'd let her mother know and the leader of the group. She stopped. But from the on she would "Tease" like when we were at the bowling alley she would purposly bend over in front of me so I could see up her skirt or down her shirt. In the end she ended up getting pregnant by some guy a few months later and stopped talking to me.

Because she knew you were weak enough to allow that to bother you. I would haven't said anything like that to her and I would have ignored the entire situation. Or I would have told her "I don't talk to girls I can get easy." I did this in high school and it worked like a charm.

So my point is while we do need self control, people should not tempt others either. To me your being just as sinful to tempt someone (especially a man). Everyone has a breaking point.

That is you and your sin that you have to deal with. That is your flesh being tempted not her's. I she wears a tight red dress and she feels good about herself in a red dress then by all means do you. Its a sin to tempt men on purpose it isn't a sin to wear clothes that make you feel like you are presenting yourself in a pretty and fashionably. What this is, is men trying to control women using the scripture

As a male I've learned to control my "sexual" nature alot. I no longer think of anything bad whe I see nudity in a movie. I don't look at stuff I shouldn't online. If I stumble across it like in an ad I just ignore it. Now to me the body is a beautiful thing that shouldn't be thought of sexually. Well not until your married obviously. It helps though since I was going to be a doctor originally. I had studied the human body like crazy learning how things work so I was used to a nude body of a male and female.
So because you are doing better now women have the right to wear a little more of the clothes you might consider tempting and they consider sexy?? C'mon that is a bit self centered.

I'm married and my wife wears clothes that makes her feel good. She doesn't wear them for anyone else but her self. And it is what it is she not trying to make anyone stumble but if she does then they need to pray and ask God for strength. Don't look to my wife for strength that's my wife look to Jesus Christ.
 
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The things you brought up really don't mean you have self control.
Psychology disagrees with you. Peer pressure growing up is really bad. Most people lack the self control to say no to drugs, boos and sex. Its all about self control.



So because you are doing better now women have the right to wear a little more of the clothes you might consider tempting and they consider sexy?? C'mon that is a bit self centered.
Erm...where did I say that?!?

That statement just makes men look like some weak guys with a drooling mouth. And that is not me a woman can wear what ever she wants around me and if I do notice her I am going to think "oh she has nice body" end of thought. Im not going to go into a deep lustful thought about her. I am a grown man and not only that I respect women as more then just sex partners.

Most guys are weak. Most women don't trust men because they cheat. Hence they are weak. I never said I see a woman and lust, I said what you did, I notice them.

Not gonna reply to the rest of your comments. You seem to be putting words in my mouth that I did not speak. Maybe you need to pray about your temper and urge to judge people without knowing them. I can tell you obviously just are jealous because I had self control and you didn't before you became a chrisian. Its ok though, I'm use to men getting <bleeped> off when they see there are men who can control themselves. Its makes them look bad. :thumbsup:
 
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I've never seen breasts on any women that were on their collar bones! I would see a doctor.

They're not on the collar bones themselves, but the breast tissue on some women is so full in the top half that it almost goes up to their collar bones. Myself included. In order to not show cleavage I actually have to wear regular Men's t-shirts or turtle necks. I don't try to show cleavage, but sometimes shirts ride down or a guy can look down and see it, etc.
 
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I'm sure someone may have already answered this in this way, i say it is a ok to do for ones husband. For his eyes only.

AMEN! :thumbsup:

God calls Christians to live a Holy Life, that means a moral and pure life and not a life walking around exposing parts of private areas which can cause others to stumble in sin and have inappropriate thoughts.

Leave that stuff for your husband in a private room.

God bless.
 
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..but sometimes shirts ride down or a guy can look down and see it, etc.

How come I have seen women who never have that problem? Answer, because they dress like a lady and not a cheap exposing harlot.

Buy new clothing if you got that problem. Simple as that. Unless of course you have some sort of weird liking to guys looking down there?

God bless.
 
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^^ of course this is coming from the guy that says my previous sig had 'satanic' connotations due to the physical appearance of the band members and thinks that if Jesus were around today he'd wear white shirts and jeans. . .
*rolls eyes*
 
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Just my opinion, but I find nothing wrong with it as long as there's no...sexual factors behind it. I try not to wear shirts that show off my cleavage but it's kind of hard to find clothes that don't show off a ton of skin unless I shop in the boys section (who, by the way, have more comfortable clothes).
 
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Psychology disagrees with you. Peer pressure growing up is really bad. Most people lack the self control to say no to drugs, boos and sex. Its all about self control.

I smoked weed and had sex because I wanted to know what it felt like as far as sex. With weed I do not feel like it is a sin I feel like the sin is weed abuse. I get terrible head aches and ever since I was a child I have dealt with them. There is no stopping them there is only prevention when I was smoking weed I never had a head ache but now that I have stopped I have the head aches the same as when I was 12. Also I don't view weed as a drug rather a natural remedy that has been criminalized.

Either way I think that is a cop out I have never felt pressure to do anything. Most of the time when I did wrong I did it by myself. I'm not really moved by people I really don't care what most people think. And I never have and never will.

My first experience with peer pressure came from my wife. She is the only person that can guilt me, pressure me into doing anything. My own mother can't make me do anything.



Erm...where did I say that?!?



Most guys are weak. Most women don't trust men because they cheat. Hence they are weak. I never said I see a woman and lust, I said what you did, I notice them.

Men cheat because it is socially acceptable to be unfaithful and in our society it has become romanticized

Not gonna reply to the rest of your comments. You seem to be putting words in my mouth that I did not speak. Maybe you need to pray about your temper and urge to judge people without knowing them.
My temper I'm not even mad I just thought your post was all the way out there. I think you can't hold another person responsible for your sin. If that is the case Christian men shouldn't play basketball if they are good because that can cause someone to slip. Your entire points weren't even on subject. The subject was is showing cleavage a sin, your entire story was so off subject with no clear link to subject.

I'm not upset I just wish people would stop trying to put their sins off on other people.

Grow some thicker skin NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT THAAAAAAAAAAAT SERIOUS!!


I can tell you obviously just are jealous because I had self control and you didn't before you became a chrisian.
Why would I be jealous of you? I don't even understand that? I'm in law school, I own my own business, I'm married, I'm having my first child, I travel, my wife is working on her 2nd masters, we are home owners......And a few years ago I had nothing but a laptop and nightmares reliving having a gun to the back of my head......Trust me there is nothing about you that makes me jealous.
Its ok though, I'm use to men getting <bleeped> off when they see there are men who can control themselves. Its makes them look bad. :thumbsup:
I'm not mad I am just very passionate about people attempting to oppress others. As a man of God my job is to protect women of God. Not only from physical conditions such as poverty and physical pain....But also from mental and spiritual chains.

See what many people don't understand is Christianity is not a religion it is having faith in the truth. Many people mostly men have taken the position of the pharisees and are using laws to makes themselves look more morally strong then the next person. Even when the pharisee like person falls it is because of someone else and the devil used "Ms. Y" to tempt them. They use these laws to oppress people not free them. Jesus came to free the world from this type of oppression He showed us that love and being righteous has more to do with where your heart is versus what type of clothes you were.

Now I am not angered or mad at anything you say or do....or even think....However I am very passionate about not using scriptures to oppress people because Jesus was not and is not an oppressor He is a freer of the church.

Your post comes off to me as arrogance. And you stated you had more self control then me, yet and still when the woman approached you, you fell into temptation and your thought process began to change. That is your lack of self control and as a man it is not mine. I am sure there are other Christian men in the world that's minds are not controlled by pretty women as yours were.

My point that you clearly missed is that with self control and humbleness with a faith in God a man will notice beauty and the thought will not go any further. Regardless of what that said woman is wearing or not wearing. And a man that can not do this should not blame the woman he is attracted to sexual but his own flesh not her's.

The response you sent me lacked depth and seemed to be a tad bit sophomoric. I was honestly wondering how old are you? I take you are a younger man and some of these things I speak of come with maturity and experience with life.

Be blessed
 
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