Is it possible to think you have absolute certitude of your salvation but be wrong?

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Nik0s;You didn't provide an adequate answer. You just said you still needed Christ for fwellowship etc.
That was not my answer. The answer I gave was adequate.
What is inadequate about the need for fellowship being an answer???



I ask again, what more can a savior do if one is already 100% sure of his/her salvation?
He can lead me to greener pastures.

Let me use a medical analogy here. Let's say you had cancer and you were cured, would you still need treatment for the disease after you were 100% cured? Of course not.
I would need to thank the Doctor. Maybe you wouldn't. It's OK, I understand.

BUT, as anyone who has experience with cancer knows, it can resurface at any time.
Once you're saved, you're saved, unless you're not. Are you saved? If you are, don't you want to thank Jesus? No need? You only care about yourself? I understand.

Now, if one is 100% assured of his salvation why would the services of the great Physician (Christ) still be needed unless there was a chance to condemn oneself through sin which separates us from Christ?
Because sometimes we get sick but it isn't cancer, it's just diarrhea.:sorry:
 
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That was not my answer. The answer I gave was adequate.
What is inadequate about the need for fellowship being an answer???
Hanging out for fellowship is not needing Christ.

He can lead me to greener pastures.
So you can become "More saved"? :confused:
I would need to thank the Doctor. Maybe you wouldn't. It's OK, I understand.
That's great and all, but after you thanked him you would just go home.
Once you're saved, you're saved, unless you're not. Are you saved? If you are, don't you want to thank Jesus? No need? You only care about yourself? I understand.
You're not answering my question rick. Why do you still need a savior if you are saved? Remember, once you thank the doctor you go home.
Because sometimes we get sick but it isn't cancer, it's just diarrhea.:sorry:
Awesome cop out. :wave:
 
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Nik0s;Hanging out for fellowship is not needing Christ.
How is fellowship not a need?
Besides, I said we needed Him to receive our gratitude.
So you can become "More saved"?
That would make sense to a three yr old. Listen, if you can't see any advantage in wanting to fellowship with Jesus simply because you are already saved, there ain't gonna be no way in L.A. I can answer that question in a way you will find "adequate".
Find another whipping boy.
That's great and all, but after you thanked him you would just go home.
You know everything about me!!! How do you DO that!:doh:
^_^
You're not answering my question rick. Why do you still need a savior if you are saved? Remember, once you thank the doctor you go home.
YOU go home. :wave:My home is with the Doctor.
Awesome cop out.
Said the spider to the fly. Like I said, find another victim.
 
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Once you are saved it is a intimate relationship with the Savior. We do not need to work at trying to be saved or stay saved. Man cannot save themselves by doing any works. So why try? He has already translated His People from darkness to light. They are all ready born again. New birth in Him. All these people trying to keep saved must be quite a burden. This is why we come to Him for His burden is light. He gives rest to the weary and He renews their strength.
 
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Why then are we told to work out our salvation in fear and trembling? And answer me this, why do you still need a savior if you are already saved?
Notice we are not told to work to have salvation. Just as if you have a problem in your home you work it out. If there is no problem you won't work it out. Same with Salvation. We have Salvation so we work it out. It is a life time of growing. From a babe in Christ drinking the milk of the word to eating the meat of the word. Just as in a family Home. Just because a sister or brother don't always agree or get along does not make them no longer brother and sister. Salvation is the beginning of our Journey with the Lord into eternity. It is not the end effect.
 
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Notice we are not told to work to have salvation. Just as if you have a problem in your home you work it out. If there is no problem you won't work it out. Same with Salvation. We have Salvation so we work it out. It is a life time of growing. From a babe in Christ drinking the milk of the word to eating the meat of the word. Just as in a family Home. Just because a sister or brother don't always agree or get along does not make them no longer brother and sister. Salvation is the beginning of our Journey with the Lord into eternity. It is not the end effect.
That is totally contradictory not only to scripture but to what the early church taught.
 
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That is totally contradictory not only to scripture but to what the early church taught.

we are not told to work to have salvation

If this is the key statement, it can be defended on the basis of scripture and early church history.
 
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Salvation is not a one time event, it is a lifelong process that we must work to achieve.

That's one view. 'Being saved' may refer to the assurance that we have that we are going to be acceptable to the Lord after our deaths OR to the passage into the afterlife itself, but we are convinced from the word of God that it is nothing that WE achieve for ourselves or even in cooperation with Christ through performing good deeds that we hope he will credit us with.

Christ paid the penalty for sins, our sins, and made the only perfect act that can never be repeated, equalled, or improved upon. He did this because we could do nothing by our own efforts that would put away the guilt for our sins.
 
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My own belief is we are ultimately saved when Jesus Christ resurrects us from death into eternal life. In the meantime we can know that we are saved because we have faith that he will do this for us. The reason we can have faith is that he promised to give eternal life life all who repent of their sins and receive him. The other reason we can have faith that he will resurrect us is that he proved he can by his own resurrection. He accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

So we were saved by Christ when he died on the cross and rose again, we are being saved through repentance and faith in him, and we will be saved when he returns.

I like Dorothea's statement.
I believe we have hope in being saved.

We go by the saying: I was saved when Christ died on the Cross and resurrected. I am being saved, and I will be saved.
 
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...or does everyone who believes they have absolute assurance of their salvation go to heaven?

Yes they can be wrong of course.
I personally have absolute assurance based on the Holy Spirit.
Can I be wrong? Not if the Spirit testified, which He did.

So it comes down to whether or not someone has the Spirit or not whether or not they can be given reassurance. Christ Jesus likened the Spirit to rivers of flowing water. Do people have this? Or why would he say something like that and not mean a literal feeling?

So whoever has not had the Spirit testify doesn't know God.
Whoever doesn't live in love also doesn't know God since God is love.

Both scriptural, both steps on peoples toes.
 
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We do not work to achieve salvation. That is a works based theology. No man can recieve salvation through their works.
We receive our Salvation through Jesus Christ by partaking in the sacrements of the Church and obeying Christs' commandments about loving one and other.

Epistle of James said:
What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him? If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit? So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. But some one will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe -- and shudder. Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, and the scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness"; and he was called the friend of God. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.
 
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