Why doesnt creationism need any data?

[SkyWriting]

How will you enjoy heaven knowing that good people are in hell?

People who do not wish to spend eternity with God will not have to.

Hell is nothing more than separation from the benefits of being with God.
The "torment" is living with that decision...for eternity, but souls have no desire to repent after death.

 

[SkyWriting]

Your answer was ridiculous. Don't blame me if you haven't thought your beliefs through and find having the holes in your answer pointed out to you embarrassing. You'd be better off addressing the ridiculous position your answer puts you in rather than pouting about it.

The latter then.

 

[SkyWriting]

Loaded language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Granted, Wiki offers both the most obscure and the most popular.
But if my complaint is that a term is obscure and not offered by
authority sources, Wiki is not going to effect my comment.

 

[British Bulldog]

I know a thing or two about pain both from experience, and from people around me. Not the imaginary knowledge of people on the other side of the globe. Myself and people in my life. Pain is all in your head. Pain is what makes us alive. Pain nerves and pleasure nerves are the same system. Angels have no pain. Dead folks feel no pain.

Yes, "dead folks" don't feel pain because they're dead. It would be nice if you could follow that thought through to its logical conclusion.

Incidentally, it's good to know that your knowledge of pain is somehow more real than that of people on the other side of the world.

You are under the illusion that in a "just & fair" world there should be no pain and no death. You are in the wrong world pal.
My "Book" describes in detail why this world is the way it is, why men are the way we are, why God is unable to be here in physical form, why there is suffering in the world, & what we are supposed to do about it.

This was not my point. I am criticising the double standards creationist's apply to an interventionist God.

I fear for your sanity, cause you got nut'in but whining for the rest of your days. Actually, I worry more about the people around you if they have to listen to this sorrow day after day.

You're going off topic completely now to rant. Not sure why; presumably it makes you feel better.

As to God answering our needs, He does that for every single person that asks. But don't forget, your solution of a huge morphine drip for every pain in the world , plus the option to never die, would again, not allow us to be human beings.

So God does nothing to prevent misery, pain and death. Good, you agree on that He's completely non-interventionist. So you should also agree that God answers nobody's prayers as regards anything that happens while we're alive.

You seem to fear death a lot. Most likely that's your problem. I see answered prayer as a joy for everyone.
You see it as an insult to humanity. You are in a bad place and I doubt anybody envies your views on life.

You have no idea how I see death.

So, picking through your bizarre mixture of irrelevant rants and strawmen, it seems that you do indeed agree that your God is completely non-interventionist.

 

[British Bulldog]

People who do not wish to spend eternity with God will not have to.

Hell is nothing more than separation from the benefits of being with God.
The "torment" is living with that decision...for eternity, but souls have no desire to repent after death.

So no pain then? No unquenchable lake of fire? The only torment will be missing out on God's exclusive invitation-only after hours party. Shucks, how will I live with myself? Oh, that's right, I won't have to because I'll be dead.

 

[SkyWriting]

So no pain then? No unquenchable lake of fire? The only torment will be missing out on God's exclusive invitation-only after hours party. Shucks, how will I live with myself? Oh, that's right, I won't have to because I'll be dead.

It's a possibility that your soul will not live eternally in the lake of fire. One person made a good augment that a proper reconciliation of God with man would mean the full destruction of all the unsaved souls. I'm not sure.

But until then, you'll just be "living with yourself". What you'll be saying to yourself, for what may or may not be an eternity, is anybody's guess. But it's described as an unquenchable lake of torment. A bit like your life now, but without any of the good parts like a body or other people.

 

[SkyWriting]

So, picking through your bizarre mixture of irrelevant rants and strawmen, it seems that you do indeed agree that your God is completely non-interventionist.

God has directly answered prayer for me on multiple occasions over the course of decades and made it clear as day it was His intervention in my environment. The way that God made it absolutely clear to me it was His handiwork was through timing. Sadly for your argument, there is no way for this to be confirmed unless a second party had overheard my prayers and seen the results. Other wise the "proof" is for me alone. It's clear to me that anyone can get the same results. But it's hard to "give up" control to the Father. People would rather die first, as you state. It's not my place to say that human suffering is wrong. Especially since I disagree that it is. I recommend it actually. Pain builds character.

I have little interest as to how that fits into your unstated definition of non-interventionist.

 

[Non sequitur]

God has directly answered prayer for me and made it clear as day it was His intervention in my environment.
I have little interest as to how that fits into your unstated definition of non-interventionist.

Why do Christians always get these "clear as day" interventions?

 

[SkyWriting]

Why do Christians always get these "clear as day" interventions?

I find them rare as hens teeth. I've heard few ministers even admit to any.

 

[British Bulldog]

It's a possibility that your soul will not live eternally in the lake of fire. One person made a good augment that a proper reconciliation of God with man would mean the full destruction of all the unsaved souls. I'm not sure.

But until then, you'll just be "living with yourself". What you'll be saying to yourself, for what may or may not be an eternity, is anybody's guess. But it's described as an unquenchable lake of torment. A bit like your life now, but without any of the good parts like a body or other people.

Actually it's only the lake that's described as unquenchable, not the torment.

It still doesn't explain how you are going to be able to enjoy the facilities on offer in heaven knowing that there are people in hell, many of whom you will know. One creationist here claimed this problem was
overcome by giving all inductees to heaven a complete memory deletion of their lives on earth. Do you subscribe to this view?

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes. God makes a dry spot in the rain so you can help someone out, but he couldn't do anything, to use an earlier analogy, to help the millions of lives lost during the holocaust.

You need to avoid that topic as it gets one automatically banned in many forums. Your example demands that I weight the value of multiple lives and I put a higher value on the greator number. As a Christian, I reject your argument. I counter with the teachings of Jesus and math.

A saved soul will be with God for eternity.
Eternity x 1 is the same number as eternity x 1000000.
So yes, 1 is just as important as one million.
According to the math anyway. Your argument fails.

 

[AV1611VET]

You need to avoid that topic as it gets one automatically banned in many forums. Your example demands that I weight the value of multiple lives and I put a higher value on the greator number. As a Christian, I reject your argument. I counter with the teachings of Jesus and math.

A saved soul will be with God for eternity.
Eternity x 1 is the same number as eternity x 1000000.
So yes, 1 is just as important as one million.
According to the math anyway. Your argument fails.

Yup.

∞ - 1 = ∞

 

[SkyWriting]

Actually it's only the lake that's described as unquenchable, not the torment.

It still doesn't explain how you are going to be able to enjoy the facilities on offer in heaven knowing that there are people in hell, many of whom you will know. One creationist here claimed this problem was overcome by giving all inductees to heaven a complete memory deletion of their lives on earth. Do you subscribe to this view?

I don't, but it's said that God will wipe away every tear. That suggests something will change about our memories. And there are other references to "change".

Hell is just separation from God. Those who choose that now are the same who will want that then. I don't drag non-christians to Bible study now. I don't foresee an urge to do it later either.

 

[SkyWriting]

You have no idea how I see death.

Sure I do. It's about all you talk about. I'm wringing my hankie constantly.

 

[Non sequitur]

You need to avoid that topic as it gets one automatically banned in many forums. Your example demands that I weight the value of multiple lives and I put a higher value on the greator number. As a Christian, I reject your argument. I counter with the teachings of Jesus and math.

A saved soul will be with God for eternity.
Eternity x 1 is the same number as eternity x 1000000.
So yes, 1 is just as important as one million.
According to the math anyway. Your argument fails.

If the means justify the end, then everything is essentially "ok".

Why, then, did your god bother inserting himself into this reality to make one woman's cancer go away?

 

[Nostromo]

A saved soul will be with God for eternity.
Eternity x 1 is the same number as eternity x 1000000.
So yes, 1 is just as important as one million.
According to the math anyway. Your argument fails.

You realise you make Him sound like a bad insurance loss adjuster?

 

[British Bulldog]

Sure I do. It's about all you talk about. I'm wringing my hankie constantly.

Talking about the problems of a creationist's view of the afterlife on a religious board isn't quite the same thing.

 

[hasone]

On the one hand they say we all have free will and on the other god steps in and changes his plans to accommodate the odd person here and there if someone prays hard enough, god is not of this world but can come and go as he sees fit,
it all sounds very convenient doesn't it? a little bit too convenient to me, but who am I to say what's right or wrong?
it's their belief and they are free to believe or make up what ever they want.

But I must admit that it would it be nice if all of our dreams could be made to come true, has anyone any advise on how to make myself believe that they will if I wish hard enough?
If Walt Disney was still alive he might have been able to help because I think most Christians in the US are still dreaming and wishing on a star.

I suggest that instead of attacking poorly described straw men, you deal with the best thinking that christianity has to offer. If you can demolish that as easily as you demolish straw men, then you'd really be making a case for atheism.

I suggest that instead of using generalizations , vague statements, inflammatory language, and other logical fallacies, you make a coherent, well reasoned, well evidenced argument.

I'm going to make a statement filled with loaded language, to demonstrate, perhaps, the effectiveness of your arguments.

You obviously think you are superior to Christians. Start acting like it.

If that loaded statement full of logical fallacies changes your mind, let me know. I don't think it will. I think it, like your arguments, is going to be ineffective.

edit: Now that I look at it, I have another complaint. Were you replying to a particular post in this thread? I can't find it.

 

[SkyWriting]

But we've established that God is non-interventionist. The phenomenal amount of pain, suffering and cruelty in the world carries on without God raising a finger. That is not disputed. So why does anyone imagine God is the least bit concerned about them when, as can be shown, He has never intervened to help anyone else?

He just keeps repeating it, like it's on rosary beads or something.
God is very active in the world. Just not so visible.

 

[Non sequitur]

God is very active in the world. Just not so visible.

Any immaterial words will fit this phrase.

This statement lends more credit to the lack of a god or gods.