War - gog on horizon?

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Yes, it could be or this could be the hook in the jaw that brings gog into Israel...hence the point of the thread.
It could be.

I doubt it is though, and I don't think every mention of Israel or Iran on the world's stage needs to be identified as a potential hook in the jaw. Hence my point in this thread.



Oh, now don't think that way, I'm sure you're very intelligent. :hug:
Glad you think so.
 
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Yeah, nobody here is calling for Iran to be destroyed. As Get it Right said, Iran said that when they get the bomb, they're going to take out Israel which is why Israel is taking Iran's nuclear program seriously.


Your statement isn't congruous with your link.

Israel reserves the right to use nuclear weapons if threatened, as does the US. Saying you would use nuclear weapons in a war isn't the same as saying you plan to use them to destroy another country. The US refused to rule out the use of nuclear weapons before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Iran will not use a nuclear weapon frivolously even if they obtain one. The retaliation (which would be immediate...as soon as a launch is detected the ICBMs would start flying towards Tehran and other population centers) wouldn't be worth it.
 
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Your statement isn't congruous with your link.

Israel reserves the right to use nuclear weapons if threatened, as does the US. Saying you would use nuclear weapons in a war isn't the same as saying you plan to use them to destroy another country. The US refused to rule out the use of nuclear weapons before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Iran will not use a nuclear weapon frivolously even if they obtain one. The retaliation (which would be immediate...as soon as a launch is detected the ICBMs would start flying towards Tehran and other population centers) wouldn't be worth it.

Think!

Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons but said "If threatened, we will use nuclear weapons."!!!!!!!!!

Read the article!

Iran is not using it's nuclear technology solely for peaceful purposes because they are threatening to use a nuclear BOMB!

Furthermore, their islamic eschatology says that islam will invade, wreak havoc, and be victorious over Israel which is the exact OPPOSITE of what the Bible says is going to happen to them.
 
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Think!

Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons but said "If threatened, we will use nuclear weapons."!!!!!!!!!

Which isn't at all what you construed the article as saying.

Iran is not using it's nuclear technology solely for peaceful purposes because they are threatening to use a nuclear BOMB!

If threatened, yes. A lot of people do things when threatened that they do not otherwise do. If you threatened my wife, I'd break your face, that doesn't mean I'm going to break your face just for the fun of it.

Furthermore, their islamic eschatology says that islam will invade, wreak havoc, and be victorious over Israel which is the exact OPPOSITE of what the Bible says is going to happen to them.

The Quran says nothing about Israel because Israel didn't exist for another 1400 years. The Bible says nothing about Islam because Islam didn't exist for another 700 years.
 
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Which isn't at all what you construed the article as saying.

It's the TITLE!

Iranian official: If threatened, we will use nuclear weapons - Israel News, Ynetnews





The Quran says nothing about Israel because Israel didn't exist for another 1400 years. The Bible says nothing about Islam because Islam didn't exist for another 700 years.

WHAT? Israel - a nation in 2000BC. Islam/Quran - 600AD The Bible (Law, Prophets, Psalms) = 2000 - 0 BC
 
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Here's what you construed that as:

Iran said that when they get the bomb, they're going to take out Israel


Those two statements are not even remotely similar. You took a relatively non-offensive statement and twisted it into something considerably more malevolent.

WHAT? Israel - a nation in 2000BC. Islam/Quran - 600AD

Diaspora - 70AD to roughly ~1900AD, with formal nationhood not being achieved under 1949.
 
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I was thinking of starting a thread on this subject, thanks. Good article.

I can understand why there is a hightened interest and even concern among Christians to the present situation in the Middle East because it involves nations that are participants in the Eze 38 invasion of Israel. This is the reason why Hal Lindsey recently said "we are very, very close" to the Lord's return.

The article said Obama administration is doing every thing it can to speed up the war process yet outwardly he desires diplomacy first and is applying pressure on Israel not to attack Iran. I think all along Obama has believed diplomacy will not work and knows the Mossad and CIA have been planning an attack for some time. Israel has sent warships and a submarine through the Suez Canal and conducted long range air-combat exercises to Gilbraltar and long air refueling exercises in the U.S. I don't know to what degree U.S. will be involved in this attack, bur for sure they will provide intelligence, GPS, long range refueling for airplanes and back up contingency plans in case Iran attacks U.S. installations and attempts to close off the strait of Hormuz. I believe America will not be directly involved in attacking Iran but will strongly support Israel in its efforts indirectly, thus giving the perception that it has not colluded with Israel.

Iran will retaliate against Israel with thousand of missiles fired from Gaza into the west bank and from Lebanon into Haifa and northern Israel. Highly unlikely nuclear bombs will be used. I don't think Iran will attack U.S. interests in countries outside of Israel for fear of U.S. retaliation. The war will be of short duration like previous Israeli wars and involve Israel, Hamas and Iran, it will not explode into a global war or will it be the Gog war prophesied in the Bible.

The attack on Iran will set the stage for the coming peace in the Middle East and Gog's invasion. This war will impress on those in the Middle East the need for peace between Israel and her enemies in order to prevent a third world war. Ususally there is war before a peace treaty is signed to end hostilities between waring factions.

Israel's attack on Iran will light the fuse for world war three. Russia and China have opposed trade restrictions against Iran and have declared an attack against Iran will cause world war III. U.S has invaded countries in Russia's back yard. U.S intends to install a global missile shield in the Middle East and the Balkans. Through Nato the U.S. is trying to gain influence over former nations of the Soviet Union, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkmenistan. U.S. has installed puppet regimes in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan and attempted to do the same in Iran with Mirossein Mousavi. U.S. is clearly on a path of conquest and subversion to control the Middle East.

Russia and Iran fully understand U.S. objectives in the Middle East. Attacking Iran will be the final straw that breaks the camels back, it will cause Russia and Iran to retaliate against Israel, England and America. Assyria as Gog and the nations with him will attack Israel with missiles and with a great army and many ships provided by Russia. I really don't think Russian troops will be involved in the invasion, only troops from Muslim nations. As I understand prophecy Russia will attack America and England will missiles and America will be invaded by Iranian forces at the same time Gog invades Israel a few years from now.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15209
Over the past six years most every nation in the Balkans was ordered to provide troops for the war in Iraq as a precondition for future NATO membership and currently every single nation in the peninsula except for Serbia - Albania, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania and Slovenia - has troops serving under NATO command in Afghanistan or, in the case of Montenegro, soon will have.

Many of the above nations also now have U.S. military bases stationed on their soil and most if not all have signed a status of forces agreement (SOFA) to host American and NATO troops.

The Balkans are slated to play an even more prominent role in the West's drives east and south into former Soviet space, including the Caucasus and Central Asia, and into South Asia, the Middle East and Africa.

The area, Southeastern Europe, is now also targeted for the latest extension of American and NATO global interceptor missile plans. [5]
 
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Iran invading America? They'd need significant supernatural help for that to even begin to be feasible.

Iran does not have a fleet airplanes or troop carrying ships to transport a huge army required to invade this land, but they don't need a miracle, converted container ships containing troops could dock at ports without being noticed.
 
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I was thinking of starting a thread on this subject, thanks. Good article.

I can understand why there is a hightened interest and even concern among Christians to the present situation in the Middle East because it involves nations that are participants in the Eze 38 invasion of Israel. This is the reason why Hal Lindsey recently said "we are very, very close" to the Lord's return.

The article said Obama administration is doing every thing it can to speed up the war process yet outwardly he desires diplomacy first and is applying pressure on Israel not to attack Iran. I think all along Obama has believed diplomacy will not work and knows the Mossad and CIA have been planning an attack for some time. Israel has sent warships and a submarine through the Suez Canal and conducted long range air-combat exercises to Gilbraltar and long air refueling exercises in the U.S. I don't know to what degree U.S. will be involved in this attack, bur for sure they will provide intelligence, GPS, long range refueling for airplanes and back up contingency plans in case Iran attacks U.S. installations and attempts to close off the strait of Hormuz. I believe America will not be directly involved in attacking Iran but will strongly support Israel in its efforts indirectly, thus giving the perception that it has not colluded with Israel.

Iran will retaliate against Israel with thousand of missiles fired from Gaza into the west bank and from Lebanon into Haifa and northern Israel. Highly unlikely nuclear bombs will be used. I don't think Iran will attack U.S. interests in countries outside of Israel for fear of U.S. retaliation. The war will be of short duration like previous Israeli wars and involve Israel, Hamas and Iran, it will not explode into a global war or will it be the Gog war prophesied in the Bible.

The attack on Iran will set the stage for the coming peace in the Middle East and Gog's invasion. This war will impress on those in the Middle East the need for peace between Israel and her enemies in order to prevent a third world war. Ususally there is war before a peace treaty is signed to end hostilities between waring factions.

Israel's attack on Iran will light the fuse for world war three. Russia and China have opposed trade restrictions against Iran and have declared an attack against Iran will cause world war III. U.S has invaded countries in Russia's back yard. U.S intends to install a global missile shield in the Middle East and the Balkans. Through Nato the U.S. is trying to gain influence over former nations of the Soviet Union, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkmenistan. U.S. has installed puppet regimes in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan and attempted to do the same in Iran with Mirossein Mousavi. U.S. is clearly on a path of conquest and subversion to control the Middle East.

Russia and Iran fully understand U.S. objectives in the Middle East. Attacking Iran will be the final straw that breaks the camels back, it will cause Russia and Iran to retaliate against Israel, England and America. Assyria as Gog and the nations with him will attack Israel with missiles and with a great army and many ships provided by Russia. I really don't think Russian troops will be involved in the invasion, only troops from Muslim nations. As I understand prophecy Russia will attack America and England will missiles and America will be invaded by Iranian forces at the same time Gog invades Israel a few years from now.

War without Borders: U.S., NATO Expand Military Role In Southeastern Europe

WOW! :swoon:

I not only think your scenario is possible but highly probable and very likely.

As far as Iranians invading the US, there are stories that foreign troops are in South America (I don't know if it's true) and that middle-eastern men have poured over the Southern border already. (I live in Phoenix and have personally seen some interesting things over the past few years.)

Your scenario reminds me a bit about the Boer prophet's prophecies which keep coming to mind as of late. The man had the gift of prophecy. He died nearly 100 years ago but he had been shown that after the turn of the century, England and America would be full of debt, Russia would attack and England would suffer tremendously, as would America. He also predicted race riots/wars after a black leader dies (presumably Nelson Mandela). Anyway, take it or leave it. http://www.christianforums.com/t7313559/

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Iran does not have a fleet airplanes or troop carrying ships to transport a huge army required to invade this land, but they don't need a miracle, converted container ships containing troops could dock at ports without being noticed.
Once again, I see we have people with absolutely no understanding of how the military works flapping about stuff that could never happen.

1. Merely getting troops on the ground in ports around the country wouldn't be a adequate to mounting an invasion... for an invasion to be effective, you need a high concentration of troops in a concentrated place in a concentrated time. Having troops come in in dribs and drabs at ports around the country over the days and weeks it would take for container ships to unload simply wouldn't do it.

2. Forgetting about the sheer inefficiency of the container ship as troop ship model for a moment, lets imagine they do manage to get an invasion level number of troops in the same place at the same time... you realise that about 90% of military effort is dealing with logistics? Without echelon support to take care of bullets and beans, and medical care, and fuel, and spare parts, and replacement troops and C3, any "invasion" would grind to a halt in hours.

There's a reason defence personnel, who are trained to analyse threats don't think containerships of Iranians are a threat. I wonder if you're going to now argue about how the experts are wrong, and you, with no military or logistic training, knows better?
 
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As far as Iranians invading the US, there are stories that foreign troops are in South America (I don't know if it's true) and that middle-eastern men have poured over the Southern border already. (I live in Phoenix and have personally seen some interesting things over the past few years.)

Foreign troops in South America and Mexico today is possible, especially as we get closer to the invasion date when many foreign troops from the south may invade us. I know China controls one or two sea ports in Mexico and one in San Diego that could be used to unload soldiers. Arabs have bought several sea ports on the east coast and one maybe in the south. Foreign soldiers may also come across the Canadian border. Foreign troops have been on U.S. soil for some time now with equipment, vehicles and tanks training here for the inevitable fall and take over of our country. Jer 51:14 prophesies of many soldiers overwhelming our nation after its fall.
 
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Foreign troops in South America and Mexico today is possible, especially as we get closer to the invasion date when many foreign troops from the south may invade us. I know China controls one or two sea ports in Mexico and one in San Diego that could be used to unload soldiers. Arabs have bought several sea ports on the east coast and one maybe in the south. Foreign soldiers may also come across the Canadian border. Foreign troops have been on U.S. soil for some time now with equipment, vehicles and tanks training here for the inevitable fall and take over of our country. Jer 51:14 prophesies of many soldiers overwhelming our nation after its fall.

Good luck taking over here in Texas. We're armed like you wouldn't belive. We have a State Guard (with an Air Guard) and various Militias. That said...about the only non-US troops I can envision on US soil would be UN troops.

I think the idea of the US ever being invaded is quite ridiculous. Besides...in the not so distant future national soveriengty (sp?) won't mean anything...so there won't be anything to "take-over". If you're trying to figure out why the US doesn't appear in Biblical End-Times study...it is probably because we're either broke by that time or we're on-board with the Europeans. Or...our interpretation could be wrong...or the prophecy could be bunk.

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Good luck taking over here in Texas. We're armed like you wouldn't belive. We have a State Guard (with an Air Guard) and various Militias. That said...about the only non-US troops I can envision on US soil would be UN troops.

I think the idea of the US ever being invaded is quite ridiculous. Besides...in the not so distant future national soveriengty (sp?) won't mean anything...so there won't be anything to "take-over". If you're trying to figure out why the US doesn't appear in Biblical End-Times study...it is probably because we're either broke by that time or we're on-board with the Europeans. Or...our interpretation could be wrong...or the prophecy could be bunk.

CC
Not a fan of kotel, but glad I'm not relying on those forces.
 
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Iran has the bomb and is developing a missle shield for themselves while on the anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland, Obama kills the missle shield in Poland that was meant to protect Europe! Meanwhile, Israel is begging the UN, which apparently is blaming Israel for everything, to honor their right to self-defense.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,551501,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...lawmakers-say/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/am...eld/index.html

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...s.html?showall
"Polish PM wouldn't take U.S. calls"
 
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Obama kills the missle shield in Poland that was meant to protect Europe!

Good, the technology doesn't work and we don't have the money to spend on it right now.

Meanwhile, Israel is begging the UN, which apparently is blaming Israel for everything, to honor their right to self-defense.

The UN has no obligation to listen to Israel on any topic, until Israel starts listening to the UN. You gotta pay to play.
 
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Good, the technology doesn't work and we don't have the money to spend on it right now.



The UN has no obligation to listen to Israel on any topic, until Israel starts listening to the UN. You gotta pay to play.

Read the Bible recently, Heavensblade23? Israel is going to be saved by God Himself when the whole world comes against her. They are either standing on the sidelines, doing nothing during the invasion, or attacking her directly. (Ezek 38)
 
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Read the Bible recently, Heavensblade23? Israel is going to be saved by God Himself when the whole world comes against her. They are either standing on the sidelines, doing nothing during the invasion, or attacking her directly. (Ezek 38)

There are a lot of valid reasons to oppose what Israel is doing since they're not exactly taking the moral high ground.
 
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There are a lot of valid reasons to oppose what Israel is doing since they're not exactly taking the moral high ground.

They are building settlements on their own, God-given, land. They are trying to protect themselves from people who are sworn to their destruction whom God refers to as "thorny neighbors" and "painful briars" to Israel in Ezek 28:24-26. God is going to stand up for them in a big way.
 
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They are building settlements on their own, God-given, land. They are trying to protect themselves from people who are sworn to their destruction whom God refers to as "thorny neighbors" and "painful briars" to Israel in Ezek 28:24-26. God is going to stand up for them in a big way.

And firing on the Red Cross and dropping illegal munitions on warehouses containing refugees...
 
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