Somebody has got to do something!

[HisdaughterJen]

No one denies Christians-and many others-are subject to forms of persecution in China and the Taliban areas. That they are under similar risk in America is hyperbole. That they did not themselves persecute NonChristians when they had dominance cannot be denied.

Hyperbole, eh?

Homeland Security on guard for 'right-wing extremists'

One political party has taken office and declared that those who oppose their agenda are "extremists" and "threats".

The writing is on the wall.

 

[Nadiine]

The only thing either of those verses say about the timing is that it will be at at the last trumpet, which would actually lend credibility to a post-tribulation rapture.

Thank you for your reply.

A pastor I once heard on this said that there is more than one
series of trumpets listed in scripture.... that most people mistake
the one in Revelation as the trumpet.

But if you continue reading the verses in 1 Thes 4., it ends with this:

17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
18Therefore encourage each other with these words.

Maybe somebody can explain to me what's encouraging to
find out that you'll be in hiding, hunted down, in search of
food (you can't buy or sell w/out the mark)
& beheaded for your faith but don't worry, you'll be
raptured eventually if you make it long enough on the run.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Hyperbole, eh?

Homeland Security on guard for 'right-wing extremists'

One political party has taken office and declared that those who oppose their agenda are "extremists" and "threats".

The writing is on the wall.

You mean like the Bushies did with all the "if you're not with us you're against us" junk?

You have talking heads like Glen Beck and Michelle Malkin advocating rebellion dang straight DHS needs to be monitoring it.

Tim McVeigh was a product of an unpatriotic movement and no telling how many McVeighs this current hate Obama movement will spawn.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

You mean like the Bushies did with all the "if you're not with us you're against us" junk?

You have talking heads like Glen Beck and Michelle Malkin advocating rebellion dang straight DHS needs to be monitoring it.

Tim McVeigh was a product of an unpatriotic movement and no telling how many McVeighs this current hate Obama movement will spawn.

"ADVOCATING REBELLION"?

Since when is a protest which is a constitutionally protected activity considered REBELLION?

And furthermore, this is AMERICA, not Communist China. We have a right to speak our minds and assemble in protest against tyranny and bad policies.

Why don't you go back to school and learn about how this is a REPUBLIC, by the people, for the people, founded on JUDEO-CHRISTIAN principles. We do not worship the President, BOW to muslim kings, curse our own nation, and claim that Islam shaped America.

 

[Hockey_Fan]

A pastor I once heard on this said that there is more than one
series of trumpets listed in scripture.... that most people mistake
the one in Revelation as the trumpet.

But if you continue reading the verses in 1 Thes 4., it ends with this:

17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
18Therefore encourage each other with these words.

Maybe somebody can explain to me what's encouraging to
find out that you'll be in hiding, hunted down, in search of
food (you can't buy or sell w/out the mark)
& beheaded for your faith but don't worry, you'll be
raptured eventually if you make it long enough on the run.

Yeah, Nadine, I wonder the same thing. The more I listen to christians, the more paranoid I seem to become. I don't think that is how God would have us to act. Over and over again in the Bible, people are told by God or angels "Fear not". And yet Christians today lead the world in fear: "The sky is falling, the big bad antichrist has us on the run". I wonder if those attitudes are really healthy?

 

[Nadiine]

Yeah, Nadine, I wonder the same thing. The more I listen to christians, the more paranoid I seem to become. I don't think that is how God would have us to act. Over and over again in the Bible, people are told by God or angels "Fear not". And yet Christians today lead the world in fear: "The sky is falling, the big bad antichrist has us on the run". I wonder if those attitudes are really healthy?

Hi HF =)

Well, the truth is, the lost SHOULD fear but do not.

How many prophets did God send even His own people before
He judged them? Nobody wants to listen to the negative today.

The issue is this tho, not everything is negative and to be feared.
In forums, the focus often tends to be placed onto the negative
but when you read thru scripture, there's more than plenty to
be excited and thrilled about and live in total joy.

So we have to keep things in balance.

But we often are forced to mention the negative becuz so many
people refuse to hear or see it; they'de rather drown it out w/
happy things so they don't have to think about anything that
doesn't make them happy.
(the Joel Osteen effect) :/

Again, the key is balance; not falling into apathy and rejection of
the negatives we're told are true and not obsessing on those negatives
so that we lose joy, peace and happiness.

Above all, the negative is there to remind us of reality and our
frailty - that we will all die and end up eternally living in either
of 2 places. We have to deal with that honestly and fearfully
before God.

 

[Texas Lynn]

"ADVOCATING REBELLION"?

Since when is a protest which is a constitutionally protected activity considered REBELLION?

And furthermore, this is AMERICA, not Communist China. We have a right to speak our minds and assemble in protest against tyranny and bad policies.

Why don't you go back to school and learn about how this is a REPUBLIC, by the people, for the people, founded on JUDEO-CHRISTIAN principles. We do not worship the President, BOW to muslim kings, curse our own nation, and claim that Islam shaped America.

Hey it was your last President who wanted surveillance of Americans and you guys gave it to him.

You have a right to "protest" but DHS has a duty to monitor the protests to prevent another OKBOMB.

As to Islam shaping America look up who was running Spain just before Ferdinand and Isabella gave Cristoforo Columbo his government check (it wasn't Christians)...

 

[Hockey_Fan]

We are bombarded with negativity; secular media, christian media, our own lives and circumstances. If there really is a hell --- be it physical or just spiritual --- would you want to dwell on the idea of actually going there?

 

[Texas Lynn]

...we often are forced to mention the negative becuz so many people refuse to hear or see it; they'de rather drown it out w/ happy things so they don't have to think about anything that
doesn't make them happy. (the Joel Osteen effect) :/

IMO what Joel Osteen and other "success gospel" advocates are preaching is a system of sorts, but not related to Christianity.

 

[Texas Lynn]

We are bombarded with negativity; secular media, christian media, our own lives and circumstances. If there really is a hell --- be it physical or just spiritual --- would you want to dwell on the idea of actually going there?

"As a Christian you don't have to believe in hell; but you have to believe you are in hell now." -Rev. Ivan Stang

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Hey it was your last President who wanted surveillance of Americans and you guys gave it to him.

You have a right to "protest" but DHS has a duty to monitor the protests to prevent another OKBOMB.

As to Islam shaping America look up who was running Spain just before Ferdinand and Isabella gave Cristoforo Columbo his government check (it wasn't Christians)...

Are you suggesting that Ferninand and Isabella or Spain or Christopher Colombus shaped America?

None of the early settlers who came to America were MUSLIM.

Having said that, I did a little online search and found that Islam claims to have shaped America because of African slaves shipped here who were muslims.

NOW, I understand why Obama is crediting Islam for shaping America....as slaves! We're back to the Black Liberation theology and the Black Panthers, Farrakhan's Nation of Islam!....all based on the ideology of "evil America" and "America is the great satan".

Obama is a Marxist-radical, muslim sympathizer because he bows to the muslim king, who apparently thinks America is evil and under his leadership, America will indeed change.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94771

Will a 'red' help blacks go green?
[SIZE=+1]White House appoints 'radical communist' who sees environment as racial issue[/SIZE]

 

[Nadiine]

"As a Christian you don't have to believe in hell; but you have to believe you are in hell now." -Rev. Ivan Stang

So God's earth and the gift of life is "hell"?

interesting.

That's not the same parallel Jesus gives in His preaching, that
we're to fear what's to come if not saved and not fear the worst man can do here
which is nothing compared to what's in store.

Again, more posts against scripture teaching - even by Jesus
Himself.

 

[Nadiine]

Are you suggesting that Ferninand and Isabella or Spain or Christopher Colombus shaped America?

None of the early settlers who came to America were MUSLIM.

Having said that, I did a little online search and found that Islam claims to have shaped America because of African slaves shipped here who were muslims.

NOW, I understand why Obama is crediting Islam for shaping America....as slaves! We're back to the Black Liberation theology and the Black Panthers, Farrakhan's Nation of Islam!....all based on the ideology of "evil America" and "America is the great satan".

Obama is a Marxist-radical, muslim sympathizer because he bows to the muslim king, who apparently thinks America is evil and under his leadership, America will indeed change.

Will a 'red' help blacks go green?

Will a 'red' help blacks go green?
[SIZE=+1]White House appoints 'radical communist' who sees environment as racial issue[/SIZE]

When you look at all his past radical associations, this is no leap
and not shocking to me at all.
We warned people of this.

oh well, God will use Obama to His advantage in prophecy.
That's the only glory there is to this entire administration;
they do God's bidding in taking us into the tribulation.

nice.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

When you look at all his past radical associations, this is no leap
and not shocking to me at all.
We warned people of this.

oh well, God will use Obama to His advantage in prophecy.
That's the only glory there is to this entire administration;
they do God's bidding in taking us into the tribulation.

nice.

Yep! That's the way it's turning out to be!

 

[Nadiine]

Yep! That's the way it's turning out to be!

what amazed me are how many people were totally blind to
his associations, or didn't even care...
That wouldn't have flown with Americans 15 yrs ago...
this country has changed so drastically, it's sad.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

what amazed me are how many people were totally blind to
his associations, or didn't even care...
That wouldn't have flown with Americans 15 yrs ago...
this country has changed so drastically, it's sad.

Yeah, I'm shocked by the blindness too...and all the worship of him as a savior on a worldwide scale...it's satanic.

 

[LightHorseman]

I'm giving it until the 16th and then I'm letting go of it. That would be 40 days since the urgent warning was issued which has Biblical precedent with Jonah's warning to Ninevah.

David Wilkerson Today: AN URGENT MESSAGE

"AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE - EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US."

I definitely see this event in Joel 2, Rev 6, Amos 8, Matt 24, Ezek 38.

I'm not aware of any other "urgent warning" in the Bible that was given longer than 40 days prior to the event.

Noah was given 7 days even though he prepared for decades.
Lot was given a few hours.
Ninevah's urgent warning was for 40 days.

4 On the first day, Jonah started into the city. He proclaimed: "Forty more days and Nineveh will be overturned." 5 The Ninevites believed God. They declared a fast, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth.

Somehow, I don't think Obama cares that the urgent warning might apply to this nation so as to fast and put on sackcloth and humbly seek the Lord.

So, if the urgent warning is true and Jonah is the precedent, then this week should be interesting. If it is true and there is no Biblical precedent as to time-frame and more than 40 days have passed, then how can the warning be URGENT? If it is not true, then the man has proclaimed something to be from the Lord that will not come to pass, thereby making himself a false prophet.

I'm happy to see you acknowledge the possibility of this guy being a false prophet, and that yopu won't try to goal post shift to allow him to remain "credible" if nothing happens. Really, I'm sincerely pleased.

But OK, so, we'll give it, say 72 hours? Look forward to talking to you then, whatever happens.

 

[LightHorseman]

"ADVOCATING REBELLION"?

Since when is a protest which is a constitutionally protected activity considered REBELLION?

And furthermore, this is AMERICA, not Communist China. We have a right to speak our minds and assemble in protest against tyranny and bad policies.

Why don't you go back to school and learn about how this is a REPUBLIC, by the people, for the people, founded on JUDEO-CHRISTIAN principles. We do not worship the President, BOW to muslim kings, curse our own nation, and claim that Islam shaped America.

Bowing to the heads of foreign states is called diplomacy, and its a recognised and fundamental component of internationally recognised ettiquette and protocol. Kings outrank Presidents, so it is appropriate for a President to bow to a king... just as emperors outrank kings, so it is appropriate for a king to bow to an emperor (although there aren't many emperors around these days)

However, that aside, I have to say that I find it... interesting... that some people who are now claiming the right to free speech as justification for some of the more vitriolic anti-Obama rhetoric seem to be the same people who claimed that anyone dissenting against anything Bush said was a treasonous terrorist sympathiser who should be locked up. I'm fiercly pro-free speech, but we all have to remember that free speech is only a virtue when it is extended to EVERYONE, and NOT just the people with whom we agree.

That whole, "I disagree with what you say utterly, but I would defend to the death your right to say it" thing.

 

[LightHorseman]

what amazed me are how many people were totally blind to
his associations, or didn't even care...
That wouldn't have flown with Americans 15 yrs ago...
this country has changed so drastically, it's sad.

Yeah... because no past president has ever had any associations with any questionable groups or persons.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I'm happy to see you acknowledge the possibility of this guy being a false prophet, and that yopu won't try to goal post shift to allow him to remain "credible" if nothing happens. Really, I'm sincerely pleased.

But OK, so, we'll give it, say 72 hours? Look forward to talking to you then, whatever happens.

Yeah, the man said the message was URGENT and that he was "compelled by the Holy Spirit" to send it out.

I definitely see Biblical backing/basis for the message and the time appears to be right. When God sent out warnings like this in the Bible, the longest an urgent message was to be for was 40 days (Jonah/Ninevah), that I can find, Biblically.

"Saturday, March 7, 2009

AN URGENT MESSAGE


I am compelled by the Holy Spirit to send out an urgent message to all on our mailing list, and to friends and to bishops we have met all over the world.

AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE - EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US."


David Wilkerson Today: AN URGENT MESSAGE


Therefore, if nothing happens by the end of the Biblical precedent for the longest amount of time for an urgent message to come to pass, then why should we believe him now or in the future?

I mean, how do we define "urgent" or "about to happen" if it comes from the Lord, except by Biblical precedent, right? We can compare the message to what God has said will happen and how urgent messages were delivered, Biblically. You can't say it's "urgent" or "about to happen" and then months or years go by with nothing like what is said coming to pass and still expect to be considered credible.

Having said that, yeah...let's see if anything happens by the end of the day on the 16th. (40 days from March 7th)