SiderealExalt
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You probably wont. P_F's whole 0x0=atheism is exactly one thing, nonsensical.
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They are required to demonstrate the effect to us macroscopic humans, yes. But the point is that the effect occurs even if the plates are removed and the equipment dismantled. The Casimir effect is a by-product of particle-antiparticle pairs popping into (and then out of) existence, completely spontaneously. Hawking radiation can be seen as another example of where this otherwise negligible phenomenon can be observed (though Hawking radiation has yet to be observed itself ).Ive seen you mention the Casimir effect before that it demonstrates something coming from nothing. Is that entirely accurate?
Correct me if I misunderstand, but isnt something required to achieve the effect at least two metal plates or mirrors, an attracting force, a vacuum, and a rational mind to arrange them orderly?
We can define it, insofar as it is not a thing at all, but an absence of anything. If there is something, then there is not nothingness. But saying "something from nothing" does not mean that something has travelled from one location, "nothingness", to our location, "somethingness". It means "some thing now exists which didn't exist before, and this coming-into-being was without cause (i.e., not facilitated by any heretofore extant system)".Observing something coming from nothing at this point in time is impossible in this universe, because every thing (including forces) in the universe is something, the universe itself is something, and its all already here.
Something coming from nothing requires there to be such a thing as nothing. We have no idea if nothing is possible, we cant imagine a place or time where nothing could be. We cant even comprehensively define the word nothing.
Only if "cheese" was a symbol for the amount of cheese we have. I was not using "cheese" to represent a mathematical or physical quantity.Actually, multiplication is defined for cheese. See, 3cheese = cheese+cheese+cheese, aka, the amount of cheese on a triple cheeseburger.
Indeed, but that's not my point.Multiplication multiplies the units, so it always works. Addition on the other hand does. See, mass * acceleration works, mass + acceleration doesn't.
As in what Atheism posits as the cause of everything. Nothing. The letters G O D may be unacceptable for an atheist or a humanist, but some thing is the origin of something else. Not nothing to something. Ever been in a lab?
OK. Accidents bumping into other accidents for trillions of years in the dark created light and everything else we can see. Can I have my PhD now?
They are required to demonstrate the effect to us macroscopic humans, yes. But the point is that the effect occurs even if the plates are removed and the equipment dismantled.
The Casimir effect is a by-product of particle-antiparticle pairs popping into (and then out of) existence, completely spontaneously.
We can define it, insofar as it is not a thing at all, but an absence of anything.
It means "some thing now exists which didn't exist before, and this coming-into-being was without cause (i.e., not facilitated by any heretofore extant system)".
You probably wont. P_F's whole 0x0=atheism is exactly one thing, nonsensical.
Proving the existence of a first cause is a very, very long way from proving the existence of God, anyway.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
You probably wont. P_F's whole 0x0=atheism is exactly one thing, nonsensical.
You know, it's hard for me to stay humble when all this ad hom does is feed my ego. I'm just a man afterall.
0 x 0 = Atheism, is a rational statement.
Are you going to answer my question, pf?
- The piece quoted above is the only bit that matters in your usual nonsensical post. Please find me where you got the idea that all atheists believe that we are the sum of 0 x 0?-
My tiny little mind? Hmm, yeah sure, I'm gonna jump right on answering ad hom like that. How about you getting the universe out of zero and get back to me. Without the rote-vitriol of the commmon atheist mouthings.
You ask more politely and I'll respond with: Cause and effect. Just watching and listening to atheists jabber awy and it's easy to hear and see what they are and what they peddle when all of the smug elitism is washed off. You get pettty little people justifying their pitiful little choices.
Your calculator get something from nothing yet?
I don't know about you, but this is incredibly fun to me.
0 x 0 = Atheism. Embarassing only those that hold to atheism as reasonable.
Something from nothing is not reasonable. 0 x 0 = 0.
One step at a time. I'm not here to make up answers on how the universe got here, because I don't have good understanding of it. I'm comfortable with that. Now just please answer the question:
"where did you get it into your mind that all atheists believe that the universe came from nothing?"
Or can we just assume you made it up, lied if you will, and you are bearing false witness.
0 x 0 = God ... a mathematical fact.
Hear O' Israel, the Lord our God the Lord is One.
He can't answer you guys' questions, because the only answer is that he's made it up.
Obviously, he'll never admit that. The whole 0 x 0 = Atheism nonsense is just that - nonsense. The only thing that unites atheists is their lack of belief in the existence of deities.
Now hear this, Poly - I am an atheist and I do not know how the universe came to be.
Personally, I don't care how it came to be, because it is of little consequence to how I choose to live my life.
Now, having said that, can you admit that at least some atheists do not believe in your stupid little equation?
To an atheist maybe. Which of course proves that 0 x 0 = atheism.