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its a new movie made by the creators of faranheit 9/11 i dont know much buts its suppose to make fun of religion showing people being healed and praising in manners in which to make fun of them as if there crazy.(theres even the knarles barkley song crazy in the backgroud doing the trailer) mainly of course Christians. This is of course going to cause more controversy then F911 ever did since it will personaly insult peoples beliefs.

movies like this [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] me off and make me laugh. [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] me off for the obvious disrespect of beliefs. Make me laugh for the fact that all the while people are making fun of and insulting beliefs there reassuring the revelation prophecies:p
especially how theyll make fun of a mircale even though u still cant explain how it happend. like tumors disapparing out of thin air wen a pastor praise on someone. Sorry to get a little off topic and not trying to make this into one of the theology wars but still people have rights to believe what they want without people ridiculing them and it seems that more and more people keep doing this. But the second ridicules you for whom you may hav voted for now its a whole new ballgame.

(sigh) sorry i guess i just had to get this anger off my chest sorry to ramble, but please idl like to here some personal opinons.
If u havnt seen the movie its on IMDB and also should be on youtube.
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There have been numerous films that ridicule any number of subjects that I am sure you have laughed at. Sorry, but your religion is not exempt from this just because you hold it sacred. From the outside the actions of many believers is at times frighteningly funny, and at others just plain frightening.
 
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A movie presenting an alternative to religion doesn't bother me. However, Maher's depiction of religious people as primitive loons who are all just out to con people out of money is insulting and brainless.

Yes, science has explained how a lot of things work. Most religious people won't argue about the structure of a cell or how the seasons change or things of that nature. But there are plenty of holes in the scientific story, just as athiests will claim that religion has holes. The biggest hole on both sides is concrete proof of where it all began.

Do we believe that this was all created by an all-powerful being that just somehow magically always existed?

Or do we believe that there was this explosion outta nowhere from this matter that just somehow always existed?

Neither one is entirely comprehendable to the human brain. Maher makes the mistake of thinking that if he can't understand it, it can't be true. It's the most pompus and arrogant assumption a human being can make. For us to think that we're the most intelligent beings to ever live, and thus must be able to understand God's Plan or else he can't exist, is downright stupid. The mere fact that we are smarter than horses proves that one being can be more intelligent than another. Who's to say that there isn't a God out there who is more intelligent than us? Who's to say that, if we DID possess his intelligence, we wouldn't be able to understand things like his eternal existence and the meaning of life?

Bottom line, neither can be conclusively proven by the human brain, and therefore BOTH SIDES (yes, both Mr. Maher) rely on faith.

I can understand Maher's anger and resentment toward extremists - I share in it. The problem is that our definitions are quite different. An extremist is someone who uses religion as justification to forcefully impose their will on others. Yet Maher says that anyone who is religious is an extremist:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/en...432AE813ABA461A8862574D000067BA4?OpenDocument

Anyway, the movie will likely end up just like Expelled - largely ignored and gone from theaters within a month or two.
 
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It was rumoured that Michael Moore (he of Farenheit 9/11 and Sicko fame) was planning a documentary on fundamentalist evangelical American Christians. Given that America is one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world yet still regularly polls upward of 50% of Americans who believe in Creationism as well as a literal Hell it seems appropriate to challenge these people's beliefs in the light of their apparent acquiescence to all the benefits a rational and scientific explanation of the world has provided for them. Particularly as has been demonstrated, when people with these rather unusual beliefs are in positions of power within the USA (viz George W Bush and a potential VP in the form of Sarah Palin.
 
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Using technology doesn't mean we somehow believe in evolotion. How you come to THAT conclusion, I have no clue. The bottom line is that neither side can ultimately prove their point, thus both are beliefs rather than proven facts. Yes, science has explained a lot, but who says that they aren't simply explaining how God created those things to work? For that matter, who says that science is right? So many people take scientists at their words as if they are perfect and never make an error. Yet when dealing with scientific calculations, even a .000000001 percent of an error would quickly compound over the alleged billions of years the universe has existed, making any of their assumptions unreliable.

I'm not trying to start another creationism vs evolution debate here, I'm simply saying that as crazy and unfathomable as a belief in God may seem to atheists, the opposite is just as crazy and unfathomable to believers. Why is it that believers are the "crazy" ones when neither side can completely prove themselves?
 
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I'm not trying to start another creationism vs evolution debate here, I'm simply saying that as crazy and unfathomable as a belief in God may seem to atheists, the opposite is just as crazy and unfathomable to believers. Why is it that believers are the "crazy" ones when neither side can completely prove themselves?

It just appeared out of nowhere VS. it was created by an intelligent Creator that we cannot even begin to understand.

I'll go with a Creator.
 
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Using technology doesn't mean we somehow believe in evolotion. How you come to THAT conclusion, I have no clue.

Yeah mean evolUtion?
The bottom line is that neither side can ultimately prove their point, thus both are beliefs rather than proven facts.

Actually no, there is no proof for creationism, there is mounds of it for evolution. Not withstanding that evolutionary theory has NOTHING to do with abiogenesis.


Yes, science has explained a lot, but who says that they aren't simply explaining how God created those things to work?

Prove the skydaddy exists before making wild unsubstantiated claims maybe..


For that matter, who says that science is right? So many people take scientists at their words as if they are perfect and never make an error. Yet when dealing with scientific calculations, even a .000000001 percent of an error would quickly compound over the alleged billions of years the universe has existed, making any of their assumptions unreliable.

Which shows you know nothing about science, the scientific method, how probability works at all.
 
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It just appeared out of nowhere VS. it was created by an intelligent Creator that we cannot even begin to understand.

I'll go with a Creator.

I'm sure there are a variety of community colleges in your area that could shore up your poor graps of science. Emotional appeals, btw, no impressive.
 
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I'm sure there are a variety of community colleges in your area that could shore up your poor graps of science. Emotional appeals, btw, no impressive.

I'm not usually one to do this, but since you brought it up...

Don't you mean "grasp" and "not impressive"?

As far as proof of creationism goes, you're not going to find proof of the existence of God. If that was possible, this pointless debate would've been over long ago. But there have been TONS of archeological findings that support the words of the Bible. And yes, I know, there has been evidence discovered to support evolution. There's evidence on BOTH sides, but neither can ultimately prove themselves to be right.

I've yet to meet an atheist who takes my "agree to disagree" suggestion. Yet I keep trying to offer the option in hopes that one day someone will accept. Instead, I get childish attack after childish attack. Yes, there are many Christians and followers of other faiths that do the same to atheists, but that doesn't mean ALL of us behave that way. So instead of attacking my intelligence by telling me that I "know nothing about science, the scientific method, how probability works at all," how about trying to engage in a pleasant conversation? Don't make assumptions about me - you have no idea what I've been through or how much research I've done.

Instead of pointlessly trying to eliminate religion, why not just simply agree to disagree? Why is that so hard? Why is it so hard for an atheist to speak to a Christian without trying to belittle him?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Christians are innocent of any of this, but you can't assume that just because one acts that way that all of them will act that way.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Christians are innocent of any of this, but you can't assume that just because one acts that way that all of them will act that way.

We can agree that siderealexalt acts that way...
 
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I'm sure there are a variety of community colleges in your area that could shore up your poor graps of science. Emotional appeals, btw, no impressive.

Show me the scientific proof that convinced you God does not exist.
 
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I'm not usually one to do this, but since you brought it up...

Don't you mean "grasp" and "not impressive"?

oh noes, typos!!


As far as proof of creationism goes, you're not going to find proof of the existence of God. If that was possible, this pointless debate would've been over long ago.

Generally when one side has absolutely no proof for it's position they're intellectually honest enough to admit their claim is wrong. Are you?
But there have been TONS of archeological findings that support the words of the Bible.

Yeah mean like the TONS, as you put it, that shows the historical inaccuracies of the bible. Of there being NO worldwide flood, of NO Tower of Babel as the origin of languages, of NO jewish slavery by the Egyptians as the bible describes, of NO Exodus, NO walls around Jericho. And not one confirmation that a Jesus existed, to name a few. Also no Herod killing of babies, mis dates in the bible.Absolutely NO supernatural aspects of the bible have ever been proven and tons upon tons of mundane historical facts have shown the bible to be in fact wrong.

And yes, I know, there has been evidence discovered to support evolution. There's evidence on BOTH sides, but neither can ultimately prove themselves to be right.

Actually no, there is absolutely NO proof provided by creationism. That's why it's not a science, that's why respectable schools(ie not wacko Christian private schools) do not allow it in a science class.

I've yet to meet an atheist who takes my "agree to disagree" suggestion. Yet I keep trying to offer the option in hopes that one day someone will accept. Instead, I get childish attack after childish attack. Yes, there are many Christians and followers of other faiths that do the same to atheists, but that doesn't mean ALL of us behave that way. So instead of attacking my intelligence by telling me that I "know nothing about science, the scientific method, how probability works at all," how about trying to engage in a pleasant conversation? Don't make assumptions about me - you have no idea what I've been through or how much research I've done.

Your posts show your lack of research on the matter, and an intellectual dishonesty in regards to what information DOES exist. If you don't like being wrong, and wish to default to a ad hom, ok. It just shows you have no argument to make.

Instead of pointlessly trying to eliminate religion, why not just simply agree to disagree? Why is that so hard? Why is it so hard for an atheist to speak to a Christian without trying to belittle him?

Instead of pointlessly engaging in an I'm ok, you're ok hippiefest. Why don't you have the intellectual honesty to simply admit you have no proof, no facts for your position at all.
Show me the scientific proof that convinced you God does not exist.

Show me the scientific proof that shows ALL Gods do not exist. Hint, you don't disprove negatives.
 
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Your whole post reeks of hypocrisy. A simple search in either a library or the internet will put countless proven facts from the bible at your very fingertips. Why not go try that instead of making baseless claims about what has or has not happened in the past? And when you're done, go talk about it in the theology forums, cause this thread isn't about whether or not the Bible is true.

As I said before, I'm not here to debate evolution vs religion. I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe. I've accepted this, so why can't you?

I hate to say it, but you fulfill the atheist stereotype quite well. Good for you.

Oh, and I like how typos are OK as long as it's you, but if I do it, you have to take a shot at me for it.

Edit: You know what? If you want to debate me on this, then PM me. This isn't the right place; it is a movie forum. But if you are that desperate to debate, we'll do it over PMs.

Oh, and if you DO want to do that, then try to be civil about it. I'll be happy to have a discussion about the origins of life with you, but only if you can manage to do it without being the condescending jerk you've been here. And in the end, be willing to agree to disagree. None of this, "I'm right and you're stupid for not agreeing" crap that you've insinuated on this thread here. Keep it civil, and I'll be happy to discuss it as long as you want. Behave like the child you've been thus far, and I won't even bother responding.
 
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Your whole post reeks of hypocrisy. A simple search in either a library or the internet will put countless proven facts from the bible at your very fingertips. Why not go try that instead of making baseless claims about what has or has not happened in the past? And when you're done, go talk about it in the theology forums, cause this thread isn't about whether or not the Bible is true.

Name one, attach it to a supernatural claim. Or eat your words.


As I said before, I'm not here to debate evolution vs religion. I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe. I've accepted this, so why can't you?

I hate to say it, but you fulfill the atheist stereotype quite well. Good for you

You did. And again, your reducing yourself to ad hom because you don't have any proof. Either provide it or eat your words.
Oh, and if you DO want to do that, then try to be civil about it. I'll be happy to have a discussion about the origins of life with you, but only if you can manage to do it without being the condescending jerk you've been here. And in the end, be willing to agree to disagree. None of this, "I'm right and you're stupid for not agreeing" crap that you've insinuated on this thread here. Keep it civil, and I'll be happy to discuss it as long as you want. Behave like the child you've been thus far, and I won't even bother responding.

Making a claim, then being unable to back it up with proof then calling someone calling you out on it childish is a very good indication of your behavior.
 
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Name one, attach it to a supernatural claim. Or eat your words.




You did. And again, your reducing yourself to ad hom because you don't have any proof. Either provide it or eat your words.


Making a claim, then being unable to back it up with proof then calling someone calling you out on it childish is a very good indication of your behavior.

Hmmm... You refuse to go do some research, and I'm supposed to eat my words? You refuse to agree to disagree, and I'm supposed to eat my words? You insist that I give you concrete proof here in this thread when 1) I've told you to PM me if you want to debate, 2) I've told you that God's creation of the universe cannot be proven any more than science's answer, and 3) You continue to respond with nothing but arrogance and condescending words like the stereotypical athiest, and I'm supposed to eat my words?

You seem to be quite the confused individual.

PM me to debate. Funny, after all this I'd figure you'd be interested in maintaining (or attempting to gain) some kind of integrity.
 
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Hmmm... You refuse to go do some research, and I'm supposed to eat my words? You refuse to agree to disagree, and I'm supposed to eat my words? You insist that I give you concrete proof here in this thread when 1) I've told you to PM me if you want to debate, 2) I've told you that God's creation of the universe cannot be proven any more than science's answer, and 3) You continue to respond with nothing but arrogance and condescending words like the stereotypical athiest, and I'm supposed to eat my words?

You seem to be quite the confused individual.

PM me to debate. Funny, after all this I'd figure you'd be interested in maintaining (or attempting to gain) some kind of integrity.


Like I thought, you have nothing to go on so you spout ad hom hyperbole. You can in fact admit that you're wrong. It'll probably save you time.
 
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