Swingers - Swapping Partners

[Greetingstoall]

Hi, first of all, I will like to thank you all for allowing my to be apart of your forum and hope to contribute and discuss many topics with you all.

I recently stumbled across a group that featured "Christian Swingers" where Christians couples hook and swap partners. I was puzzled. I want to know where The Bible truly stands on a matter like this. I found a few excerpts from the site :

We maintain that the marriage bed is un-defiled and that all sexual
practices not otherwise forbidden in the Bible are permitted in the
marriage bed. We maintain that a married person may give their spouse
permission to have s*x with another person and that such s*x is not
adultery. We also maintain that while the Bible forbids s*x between
males, it allows s*x between females so long as they do not abandon
s*x with males. Our theology is not one that allows such practices due
to a "new freedom in Christ" or due to a "new law of love". Instead
the we maintain that these practices have always been permitted.

I know this is a long shot, but I will also like to hear from Christian Swingers, but I doubt any Christian will involved in the lifestyle, will admit, and share their thoughts. Please prove me wrong. After all, this is an open discussion.

Is this a sense of perversion of the bible or is it just taking a literal point? What are your thoughts? I please ask that if you can, please back it up with evidence from the scripture.

I await your responses.

 

[Greetingstoall]

Wow, is this considered "Trolling"? I simply asked on the views of fellow Christians and I get accused of "trolling" by a member.

This is a serious discussion folks. Not trying to stir up anything here, Just wanted to know more and an understanding of the scripture.

Thank you

 

[JacobHall86]

I don't think its considered trolling because you have stated a question, not to see if people think its a sin, but for actual Biblical verification on the subject.

The wording they use sounds fairly decent, but I would like to see what Scriptures they use to support the passages, if they do have any sort of actual Scriptural evidence, I would venture to say its an exception and not a rule to be followed.

 

[Hentenza]

Closing for staff review.

 

[BreadAlone]

Sorry for the delay. Thread is now reopened.

 

[TheReasoner]

Whoa... There is such a thing?

Crazy. I don't think you're going to get much response here though.
Obviously, I think it's outright wrong.

 

[GregorytheGood]

With or without consent, sexual promiscuity is considered immoral by most people, most faiths, and most people of faith.

Personally, I think it is sinfull (not good or healthy), as well as ridiculous, but really not a huge deal if its consentual. Definitely no biblical support for it though....

 

[Ave Maria]

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[ghs1994]

Hi, first of all, I will like to thank you all for allowing my to be apart of your forum and hope to contribute and discuss many topics with you all.

I recently stumbled across a group that featured "Christian Swingers" where Christians couples hook and swap partners. I was puzzled. I want to know where The Bible truly stands on a matter like this. I found a few excerpts from the site :



I know this is a long shot, but I will also like to hear from Christian Swingers, but I doubt any Christian will involved in the lifestyle, will admit, and share their thoughts. Please prove me wrong. After all, this is an open discussion.

Is this a sense of perversion of the bible or is it just taking a literal point? What are your thoughts? I please ask that if you can, please back it up with evidence from the scripture.

I await your responses.

i believe it is very wrong. i wonder what scripture is used to support that kind of claim.

 

[seekthetruth909]

i believe it is very wrong. i wonder what scripture is used to support that kind of claim.

There are no scriptures to support it. It is just another example of how people want to labeled Christian, without any change in their lives or any commitment to God and his Word.

 

[ghs1994]

There are no scriptures to support it. It is just another example of how people want to labeled Christian, without any change in their lives or any commitment to God and his Word.

i'm sure you're right, but my curiosity is where they get this doctrine from so it can also have the opportunity to hear the other side of that discussion, then be able to make a rational or spiritual decision instead of one based on flesh and what makes them feel good.

 

[Stinker]

1 Corinthians 7:1-2 (King James Version)




1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
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Well, apparently God is against fornication. It is stated throughout the new Testament that it is sin. So it is not at all permitted. Wife-swapping and husband-swapping do fall under fornication.

 

[onemessiah]

Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

However, as far as biblical support goes, there is much against it. We all know what adultery is, for example (and the bible didn't provide the escape clause that allows you to permit your spouse to be, ah, promiscuous...adultery, like homosexuality and murder and a lot of other things is outright forbidden). On the flip side, I can't think of any direct evidence to support it, at least not without stretching things a bit.

 

[Ave Maria]

Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

However, as far as biblical support goes, there is much against it. We all know what adultery is, for example (and the bible didn't provide the escape clause that allows you to permit your spouse to be, ah, promiscuous...adultery, like homosexuality and murder and a lot of other things is outright forbidden). On the flip side, I can't think of any direct evidence to support it, at least not without stretching things a bit.

I disagree. For one thing, homosexuality is not outright forbidden. Have you ever looked up the word arsenokoitai which is the word that translates to homosexual offenders or homosexuals in some Bibles? The word does not actually mean homosexuals. No, it means male temple prostitutes.

Also, adultery is when one partner in a loving and committed relationship goes out and has sex with another partner who he is not in a loving and committed relationship with without the consent of the partner in the consensual and loving relationship. The keyword is consent or consensual. If the person's steady partner consents to the person going out and having sex with a different partner, it is not adultery. Therefore, swinging is ok because it is consensual.

I personally have no problem with any kind of consensual sex between two loving and committed adults regardless of whether they are married, in a domestic partnership, or whatever.

 

[eolculnamo2]

Also, adultery is when one partner in a loving and committed relationship goes out and has sex with another partner who he is not in a loving and committed relationship with without the consent of the partner in the consensual and loving relationship. The keyword is consent or consensual. If the person's steady partner consents to the person going out and having sex with a different partner, it is not adultery. Therefore, swinging is ok because it is consensual.

I personally have no problem with any kind of consensual sex between two loving and committed adults regardless of whether they are married, in a domestic partnership, or whatever.

I have to agree with Stinker. Fornication is biblically wrong.

 

[Ave Maria]

I have to agree with Stinker. Fornication is biblically wrong.

Of course fornication is Biblically wrong. But then you get in to the definition of fornication. The Greek word for fornication is inappropriate contentea or inappropriate contenteia. Let's see how Strong's defines inappropriate contentea:

G4202
πορνεία
inappropriate contenteia
por-ni'-ah
From G4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively idolatry: - fornication.

The Strong's says absolutely nothing about inappropriate contenteia meaning sex outside of marriage. Instead, it says that it means harlotry which includes adultery and incest.

Also, the New Testament Greek Lexicon defines it as following:

1. illicit sexual intercourse
1. adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
2. sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
3. sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,
2. metaph. the worship of idols
1. of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

See, absolutely no mention of sex outside of marriage here either!

Finally, take a look at the following link:

http://www.libchrist.com/bible/premaritalsex.html

 

[eolculnamo2]

I disagree. For one thing, homosexuality is not outright forbidden. Have you ever looked up the word arsenokoitai which is the word that translates to homosexual offenders or homosexuals in some Bibles? The word does not actually mean homosexuals. No, it means male temple prostitutes.

Also, adultery is when one partner in a loving and committed relationship goes out and has sex with another partner who he is not in a loving and committed relationship with without the consent of the partner in the consensual and loving relationship. The keyword is consent or consensual. If the person's steady partner consents to the person going out and having sex with a different partner, it is not adultery. Therefore, swinging is ok because it is consensual.

I personally have no problem with any kind of consensual sex between two loving and committed adults regardless of whether they are married, in a domestic partnership, or whatever.

Both of those definitions say "Fornication" which is defined as:

"voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other."

 

[MarkSB]

Also, the [URL="http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?search=4202&version=kjv&type=eng&submit=Find"]New Testament Greek Lexicon[/URL] defines it as following:

1. illicit sexual intercourse
1. adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
2. sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
3. sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11, 
2. metaph. the worship of idols
1. of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols 

See, absolutely no mention of sex outside of marriage here either!

What?! What is adultery then, sex between married individuals? It's right there in your definition!?

 

[Ave Maria]

Both of those definitions say "Fornication" which is defined as:

"voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other."

Unfortunately its not that simple. See my thread on inappropriate contenteia.

 

[Ave Maria]

Also, the [URL="http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?search=4202&version=kjv&type=eng&submit=Find"]New Testament Greek Lexicon[/URL] defines it as following:

1. illicit sexual intercourse
1. adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
2. sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
3. sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11, 
2. metaph. the worship of idols
1. of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols 

See, absolutely no mention of sex outside of marriage here either!

What?! What is adultery then, sex between married individuals? It's right there in your definition!?

Ok, let's look adultery in the Lexicons too then!

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 3430 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
moiceiva from (3431)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Moicheia 4:729,605
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
moy-khi'-ah Noun Feminine
Definition

1. adultery

3430. moicheia moy-khi'-ah from 3431; adultery:--adultery.

It seems that moicheia quite clearly means adultery unlike with the definitions of inappropriate contenteia and arsenokoitai.