McDonald's Promoting Homosexual Agenda

[Texas Lynn]

That may be your belief, but my experience is that I've never either learned or chosen who to be attracted to, and nor has anyone else that I know.

As far as gay men and women are concerned, I find it very difficult to believe that they would deliberately choose to be attracted to people of the same gender as themselves. Many testimonies I've heard and read from gay men and women tell of realising, normally at some point in their mid-teens, that they're attracted to people of the same gender as themselves, and often being in family situations where to be open and honest about this would have led (and sometimes did lead) to unpleasant reactions from family members who were, if not outright homophobic, at least not ready to accept that their children were in any different from the societal norm. And although society as a whole has become more accepting of gay people over the past couple of decades, there have always been elements of society who have been hostile towards gay men and women. Do you honestly believe, if such attraction is "learned and a choice", that people would deliberately choose to go down such a difficult path instead of taking the easier option?

David.

Thank you for invoking a little common sense into the discussion.

There needs to be an updated version of the joke about the Black Man praying and asking God "Why?" about his racial characteristics to which God replies how these factors contribute to his survival in the African environment, to which the punchline is the guy asking, exasperated, "Then what am I doing in Cleveland, Ohio?" It could be done with an LGBT person asking things secondary about LGBT culture...Lance asking "Oh, Lord, why do I love the theater?" or Deb asking, "Lord, why do I have motorcycle grease all over my jeans?"...the punchline could be, "Then what am I doing in Corbin , Kentucky?"

 

[IamRedeemed]

And as I said, you are entitled to your opinions, judgments and your condemnations
regardless of whether you are right or not.

Given what God's Word says and in light of the smug post (which was addressed to another poster
who believes God's Word over man's opinions), to which I responded, which was...

Soon every corporation in the USA will be "supporting such abominations" in some way or another if they don't already. It's called human rights.

But hey, enjoy your cave.

.....I believe my response was quite appropriate, which I am entitled to that opinion
and furthermore it aligns with what God's Word says over man's opinions which will amount
to a hill of beans on judgment day.

Here's where the rubber meets the road. This is what it's all about.

The smugness and hubris in the quoted post is so ironic as to cause one to sigh.

To some, to be a Christian means a joy of being one who's going to hebbin. To others, that joy is superceded by a joy that certain others are not.

And they think they know what's "abominable" and what's not.

 

[Carey]

That may be your belief, but my experience is that I've never either learned or chosen who to be attracted to, and nor has anyone else that I know.

As far as gay men and women are concerned, I find it very difficult to believe that they would deliberately choose to be attracted to people of the same gender as themselves. Many testimonies I've heard and read from gay men and women tell of realising, normally at some point in their mid-teens, that they're attracted to people of the same gender as themselves, and often being in family situations where to be open and honest about this would have led (and sometimes did lead) to unpleasant reactions from family members who were, if not outright homophobic, at least not ready to accept that their children were in any different from the societal norm. And although society as a whole has become more accepting of gay people over the past couple of decades, there have always been elements of society who have been hostile towards gay men and women. Do you honestly believe, if such attraction is "learned and a choice", that people would deliberately choose to go down such a difficult path instead of taking the easier option?

David.

Yes bu the time you are in your mid teens what you have learned from your parents and or / people you associate with through life experience might make you consider being attracted to the same sex.

The point is hwen we are born we are not attracted to either specific gender.

The difficult path is chosen by all ( rebellious ) teens even if it is not homosexuality. It may be smiking , drugs , alcohol, homosexuality, in some cases sex at all is the difficult path for preachers daughters etc.

Believe me unless your mind is corrupt sex is purely physical and that is why touching yourself can cause an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].

 

[Texas Lynn]

Baloney! That is a lie! EVERY sin you commit - Yes YOU, Carey - is detestable to God according to the scriptures. All sin carries the same weight. The very LIE you told in the above sentence is an ABOMINATION to God. God DETESTS 'lying lips' or, in this case, 'lying type' (Proverbs 12:22).

Friend, some seem to want to look out the window rather than in the mirror.

And when they do so any number of Christian parents might well 'throw a mental' and tell them that they risk punishment from a very angry Jesus if they do such a dirty thing again. Homophobia in parents starts when the kids are very young. I'm not sure if this is innate or learned behavior.

It's cultural at least to a large degree. I've known questioning youth (those who aren't sure what sexual orientation they are but are exploring the possibilities) who get raped or beaten by parents for such things. In almost all cases the parents are extreme conservative Christians (in one I know of the parents were Ultra-Orthodox Jews). While gay male youth are often kicked out of the house between ages 10 and 17 in these families, teenage lesbians are more often subjected to fraudulent "homo-no-more" programs which do more harm than good.

like heterosexuals, homosexuals can choose to 'sin'. But their sexual orientation is not THE sin ...comprende?

Some gay male and lesbian antique dealers are known to up their prices considerably when bumperstickers, buttons, or remarks like "we were in town for a Focus on the Family conference" reveal the potential customer is a religious right adherent. That is understandable but wrong.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Soo..,your entire argument is that God calls homosexuals detestable, and he doesn't make detestable people?

Where does God say that homosexuality is detestable? I know where he says homosexual sex is detestable, but I've never seen in the Bible anywhere him saying that homosexuals in general are detestable. Perhaps you need to re-think your argument, so you can be more in-line with reality. Are you choosing, right now, to be heterosexual? Is that what you're saying? Because I'm pretty sure that I'm not. I simply can't help it.

Nor should you be expected to.

See www.thetrevorproject.org

 

[Texas Lynn]

And as I said, you are entitled to your opinions, judgments and your condemnations
regardless of whether you are right or not.

As are you!

 

[IamRedeemed]

While others, judge unrighteous judgment, rejecting God's Word, preferring to look to themselves, and exalt themselves and their knowledge or feelings over God's reality and lead others astray, rather than look to God and submit to His authority, and lead others to what He has to say, as it is He who is going to judge us according to His standards, not ours, which He has declared to us, within His living Word, contained in the pages of the Bible, so that we would not be ignorant come the day of judgment and will have long heeded His call and warning, repented and received His offer of salvation, that we may be found hidden in Christ on that day.

Friend, some seem to want to look out the window rather than in the mirror.

 

[IamRedeemed]

As I said, which you failed to quote, ".....I believe my response was quite appropriate, which I am entitled to that opinion and furthermore it aligns with what God's Word says over man's opinions which will amount to a hill of beans on judgment day."

Does what you've been saying align with what God has said? I personally
have seen no semblance of such.

It is better to obey God than to please men.

As are you!

 

[David Brider]

Yes but the time you are in your mid teens what you have learned from your parents and or / people you associate with through life experience might make you consider being attracted to the same sex.

Possibly so, but as I've said, people don't seem to choose to be attracted to other people, either in general (i.e., genders or types) or in specific. It seems to be more of a case of, we meet someone and we find him or her attractive because something about them (looks, personality, attitude, something else entirely) sets off something in us - not, we meet someone and we decide to find them attractive.

And the notion of considering being attracted to the same sex doesn't really address the issue of being in families who are not well-disposed to their children being homosexual. Like I said - if you're in a situation that's that opposed to it, why would someone consider such a thing? Or if it's that easy to consider being attracted to the same sex, why is it not that easy to switch back to being attracted to the opposite sex?

The point is when we are born we are not attracted to either specific gender.

We're not, but there's good reason to suppose that whatever it is in us that's hardwired to find certain types of people attractive is already in place at birth. At a pinch, it's possible that it's something that subconsciously clicks into place at some point between birth and puberty, and might be in some way a result of environmental factors such as upbringing. But the notion that it's choice doesn't really make sense.

The difficult path is chosen by all (rebellious) teens even if it is not homosexuality. It may be smoking , drugs , alcohol, homosexuality, in some cases sex at all is the difficult path for preachers daughters etc.

But what about non-rebellious teens who desire nothing other than a quiet life? Why should they choose to be homosexual?

Believe me unless your mind is corrupt sex is purely physical and that is why touching yourself can cause an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].

Must confess, I'm not really sure of your point here.

David.

 

[Carey]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carey
Yes but the time you are in your mid teens what you have learned from your parents and or / people you associate with through life experience might make you consider being attracted to the same sex.

Possibly so, but as I've said, people don't seem to choose to be attracted to other people, either in general (i.e., genders or types) or in specific. It seems to be more of a case of, we meet someone and we find him or her attractive because something about them (looks, personality, attitude, something else entirely) sets off something in us - not, we meet someone and we decide to find them attractive.

We never find the same sex attractive until our minds have been poisoned to the opposite sex through improper upbringing and the xeperiences associated with it.

And the notion of considering being attracted to the same sex doesn't really address the issue of being in families who are not well-disposed to their children being homosexual. Like I said - if you're in a situation that's that opposed to it, why would someone consider such a thing?
Because of a rebellious heart .

Or if it's that easy to consider being attracted to the same sex, why is it not that easy to switch back to being attracted to the opposite sex?

Because the sin of the homosexual act opens doors to demonic influence on your mind. Just like inappropriate content is addictive and why some people cannot enjoy sex with their sposes after having their minds poisoned with the perversion of sex through inappropriate content. They also find it hard to go back to normal sexual relations with their own spouse. BUt through prayer and Bible study and with faith nothing is impossible


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The point is when we are born we are not attracted to either specific gender.
We're not, but there's good reason to suppose that whatever it is in us that's hardwired to find certain types of people attractive is already in place at birth.

True but not sexually attractive

At a pinch, it's possible that it's something that subconsciously clicks into place at some point between birth and puberty, and might be in some way a result of environmental factors such as upbringing. But the notion that it's choice doesn't really make sense.

The choices we make are a direct result of our upbringing and environment.


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The difficult path is chosen by all (rebellious) teens even if it is not homosexuality. It may be smoking , drugs , alcohol, homosexuality, in some cases sex at all is the difficult path for preachers daughters etc.
But what about non-rebellious teens who desire nothing other than a quiet life? Why should they choose to be homosexual?

Because they are still rebellious or they would not consider the notion.


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Believe me unless your mind is corrupt sex is purely physical and that is why touching yourself can cause an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].
Must confess, I'm not really sure of your point here.

The point is if touching yourself can satisfy the sexual desire to bring about [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. It is proof people are not attracted to the same sex for sexual purposes. It is not something one is born with.

David.


See my responses to you questions in red.

Carey

 

[Texas Lynn]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carey

We never find the same sex attractive until our minds have been poisoned to the opposite sex through improper upbringing and the xeperiences associated with it.

This statement of the "vampire theory of homosexuality" which is the same pushed by James Dobson and other religious right figures has long been discredited. No one in the helping professions these days who's not utterly incompetent believes this these days.

 

[Brieuse]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carey
We never find the same sex attractive until our minds have been poisoned to the opposite sex through improper upbringing and the xeperiences associated with it.

Because of a rebellious heart .

Because the sin of the homosexual act opens doors to demonic influence on your mind. Just like inappropriate content is addictive and why some people cannot enjoy sex with their sposes after having their minds poisoned with the perversion of sex through inappropriate content. They also find it hard to go back to normal sexual relations with their own spouse. BUt through prayer and Bible study and with faith nothing is impossible

True but not sexually attractive

The choices we make are a direct result of our upbringing and environment.
Because they are still rebellious or they would not consider the notion.


The point is if touching yourself can satisfy the sexual desire to bring about [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. It is proof people are not attracted to the same sex for sexual purposes. It is not something one is born with.

Sorry, the above responses need to be reconsidered. I've read them and decided you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

There are many of us here that are Christians, however are hated for being gay, however we wouldn't dream of being "rebellious", I know it's not in my nature to rebel, and I'm sure that's true for my other brothers and sisters in Christ who are under the same circumstances.

 

[Candide]

Carey, can you answer my questions?

 

[Hagnismos]

Calling all your friends is'nt going to change the fact that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. Trying to split hairs over 'attraction' versus sin, and making reference to science over God is like leaning on a broken reed. The fact is that any sexual attraction toward a person of the opposite sex is a perversion, in the Law it is called an abomination. Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

'Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor theives, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.'

Attraction toward another human being need not be sexual, there is healthy attraction that men and women can have toward the same sex in many areas, it usually takes the form of admiration and friendship. However, saying that a same sex attraction that does lead to or has lead to homosexual activity is created by God is blasphemous and is contrary to God's word. Repentant homosexuals are homosexuals no longer, neither in thought or deed. This is in line with what Paul has said,

'for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. We are destroying speculations and every lofty thought raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ' 2 Corinthians 10:4,5

A sinner who was formerly a homosexual is called to repent and from then on to wage spirutal warfare by God's power taking every thought captive to Christ. Though some may claim that physical attraction runs deeper than thoughts, I tell you the truth natural attraction is governed by the mind and can be controlled by an act of the redeemed will.

I am shocked at the boldness of those who claim God's grace while still asserting themselves as homosexuals. They claim to want diversity, but they refuse to leave those who reject them in peace. I think in the end we will find that most homosexual behavior and so called orientation is the result of demonic possession resulting from abuse and that homosexuals will play a major role in the rise of the antichrist. It is suspectedby some that the antichrist himself will be a homosexual based upon passages in Daniel. I ask my Christian brothers therefore to pray that the gift of discernment and boldness in the power of God's Spirit return to the church. See for yourselves how one by one the remnants of the great moves of God's spirit in former times are falling to this abomination. The Great Apostasy is here. I am confident in the Lord that the end times church will be the equal of it's first century sister and perhaps will do even greater works than she did. Be strong stand steady and see the salvation of the Lord. In that day the power of pharoah will be broken and you will never come by the way of Egypt again.

This thread all by itself is a sign of the times. May it inform us for the battle ahead.

Notice how as soon as one of them starts to reveal the hate they have for the Bible and those who believe it another arrives. We are fighting the battle of our times right here, right now, gird yourselves up.

Praise you Lord! Glory to You Lord Jesus! Your word is faithful! You are high above all authority, the wisemen of the earth are but dust.

 

[Brieuse]

Calling all your friends is'nt going to change the fact that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. Trying to split hairs over 'attraction' versus sin, and making reference to science over God is like leaning on a broken reed. The fact is that any sexual attraction toward a person of the opposite sex is a perversion, in the Law it is called an abomination. Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

'Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? do not be deceuved; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor theives, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.'

Attraction toward another human being need not be sexual, there is healthy attraction that men and women canm have toward the same sex in mayn areas, it usually takes the form of admiration. However, saying that a same sex attraction that does lead to or has lead to homosexual activity is created by God is blasphemous and is contrary to God's word.

I am shocked at the boldness of those who live this way. They claim to want diversity, but they refuse to leave those who reject them in peace. I think in the end we will find that most homosexual behavior and so called orientation is the result of demonic possession resulting from abuse. I ask my Christian brothers therefore to pray that the gift of discernment and boldness in the power of God's Spirit return to the church.

This thread all by itself is a sign of the times. May it inform us for the battle ahead.

Notice how as soon as one of them starts to reval the hate they have for the Bible another arrives. We are fighting the battle of our times right here, right now, gird yourselves up.

Praise you Lord! Glory to You Lord Jesus! Your word is faithful! You are high above all authority, the wisemen of the earth are but dust.

My attraction to the same sex is sexual. No sugar coating. Been like that since memory starts. McDonald's is making an effort to end the gay bashing, and it's time the Church did the same.

The versus you quote a horrible translation, btw.

 

[Hagnismos]

My attraction to the same sex is sexual. No sugar coating. Been like that since memory starts. McDonald's is making an effort to end the gay bashing, and it's time the Church did the same.

The versus you quote a horrible translation, btw.

Is'nt the red letter usualy reserved for Mod comments?

Why don't we talk about the version of the Bible that tells people homosexulaity is ok. When did that one get written?

Also the church of Jesus Christ is not a possession of the world, therefore when the world seeks to reform the church it is seeking what it cannot have, this too is lust and clearly reveals the one who inspires such things.

 

[Texas Lynn]

no

I apologize then. From the rest of your posts here you seem like a real mensch. sorry for getting the wrong idea about you at first.

 

[Texas Lynn]

I am shocked at the boldness of those who claim God's grace while still asserting themselves as homosexuals.

Better get used to it, then.

 

[Carey]

This statement of the "vampire theory of homosexuality" which is the same pushed by James Dobson and other religious right figures has long been discredited. No one in the helping professions these days who's not utterly incompetent believes this these days.

I have never heard of the Vampire theory.

I just use common sense.

Originally Posted by Carey

We never find the same sex attractive until our minds have been poisoned to the opposite sex through improper upbringing and the experiences associated with it.

Raise a child correctly with love and teach them love of the Bible above all other things they can read or learn and they will not engage in homosexual acts.

Thye wont steal.

They won;t commit adultery.

They wont tale the Lords name in vain.

They will sin as we all do but the biggy's they will not.

But if satan is perverting your mind .....

Amos 5 : 10 you hate the one who reproves in court
and despise him who tells the truth.

Zephania 3 : 5 The LORD within her is righteous;
he does no wrong.
Morning by morning he dispenses his justice,
and every new day he does not fail,
yet the unrighteous know no shame.

2 Peter 2 : 4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them into gloomy dungeons[b] to be held for judgment; 5if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men 8(for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.[c] 10This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority.

 

[Texas Lynn]

I have never heard of the Vampire theory.

I just use common sense.

Not in this. Your assertions are not based on reality.