I need some help guys...(Only those that are Biblically sound)

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MatthewDiscipleofGod

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Athiests arent making Christians look stupid, Christians are making Christians look stupid.

Are you implying if you're listed on the web site you are making Christians look stupid by being stupid? The reason I ask is because you are also quoted on that web site. ;)
 
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Are you implying if you're listed on the web site you are making Christians look stupid by being stupid? The reason I ask is because you are also quoted on that web site. ;)

Heh, so am I, and I'm not even a fundie. But since those guys label anyone who believes that all non-Christian religions are false (i.e. me) a fundamentalist, I guess they can't tell the difference. The funny part is that if you compare Chris' posts on fstdt to mine, his sound comparatively nicer.

Alas, Jacob is absolutely right, regardless of what is posted on fstdt. Even on CF, I've heard some ridiculous things said. Heck, on this very forum, I got a hard time when I once started a thread to refute the idea that the Sun orbits the earth. Apparently some people believe that "science is of the day-vil." I think any sensible person will agree that when you start defending geocentrism on religious grounds, you make Christianity look like a religion for idiots. And that can have disasterous consequences for the souls of the unsaved. I think that in general, Christians need to stop espousing anti-intellectualism if we are to be taken seriously.
 
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Are you implying if you're listed on the web site you are making Christians look stupid by being stupid? The reason I ask is because you are also quoted on that web site. ;)

No doubt am I quoted on it, I dont really listen to my critics, but They are only using the ammunition we give them.
 
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No doubt am I quoted on it, I dont really listen to my critics, but They are only using the ammunition we give them.

Don't forget 3 important points.

1. Christians will always be hypocrites because we are all still sinners.

2. Not all "Christians" are really Christians.

3. Christianity and Christians will always be foolish to nonchristians.

1 Corinthians 1:18-27 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
 
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I agree totally, but I also think that some Christians are also very very very dumb in some aspects and they make all Christians look dumb because of it. They cant just make something up and say Christians have said it, we have to say it first.
 
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I agree totally, but I also think that some Christians are also very very very dumb in some aspects and they make all Christians look dumb because of it. They cant just make something up and say Christians have said it, we have to say it first.

Well I don't know if I totally agree with the making stuff up. I have seen Christians get misquoted more then once. I agree we can sometimes say dumb things. Sometimes we are just passing on bad information we have heard from others. We should lovingly correct our Christian brother or sister which typically doesn't happen at places like here and it just turns into a battle thread to see who can win. Also some Christians think I say stupid things when I talk about the earth only being about 7,000 years old. I would have to disagree though since I have studied the topic from a Biblical and scientific perspective a great deal. I'm just glad we won't have to worry about this stuff in Heaven.
 
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Heh, so am I, and I'm not even a fundie. But since those guys label anyone who believes that all non-Christian religions are false (i.e. me) a fundamentalist, I guess they can't tell the difference. The funny part is that if you compare Chris' posts on fstdt to mine, his sound comparatively nicer.

Alas, Jacob is absolutely right, regardless of what is posted on fstdt. Even on CF, I've heard some ridiculous things said. Heck, on this very forum, I got a hard time when I once started a thread to refute the idea that the Sun orbits the earth. Apparently some people believe that "science is of the day-vil." I think any sensible person will agree that when you start defending geocentrism on religious grounds, you make Christianity look like a religion for idiots. And that can have disasterous consequences for the souls of the unsaved. I think that in general, Christians need to stop espousing anti-intellectualism if we are to be taken seriously.

I never said "science is of the day-vil"

And I never said I knew everything about science, I can still learn, but from what I know now, Geocentrism is very possible, taking redshift findings into consideration.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0807tj.asp
 
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When you learn to actually debate let me know, because you have no clue what you are talking about.

I am not saying that We can reason that the earth revolves around the sun because its the simpliest answer. By no means, infact you have demonstrated that the simplist answer is that everything revolves around the earth. Given the Mass of each planet and the mass of the Sun, it is only logical to understand that the Gravitational pull of the sun is far greater than the earths and that the earth revolves around the sun.
 
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I am not saying that We can reason that the earth revolves around the sun because its the simpliest answer. By no means, infact you have demonstrated that the simplist answer is that everything revolves around the earth. Given the Mass of each planet and the mass of the Sun, it is only logical to understand that the Gravitational pull of the sun is far greater than the earths and that the earth revolves around the sun.

Geocentrists don't reject gravity, try again.
 
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