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Originally Posted by mont974x4
I want a Red Rider BB gun with a compass in the stock :p


LOL:p
Ok, I'll pencil that in underneath my 2007 Mercedes S class request. :cool:
(that means you'll probly get yours first).


I would like for my stage III lymphoma to be cured!
 
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You'll put your ey.....

Oh nevermind....

ROFL JD,... you know, I almost said that line from the movie, but i looked at his age & thought that he wouldn't know what i was talking about & not "get it".

Too funny Jd!^_^


Ok, **did I just have a blonde moment?? Is the Red Rider BB gun FROM THE MOVIE???
Oh my, I think I should have just kept my mouth shut. DUH lolol
 
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Sometimes I wish God would just Test to me see if I can handle extreme wealth. :p :holy:

(I know, be careful what you wish for - been there done that!) :help:


I have done that, or at least asked God to bless me with $100,000. I know from times I have had a little money that I do not buy vanity "toys" with it. I would give a gift to the church, and would use it to get our house finished, get a well drilled, and maybe a better car - but not an expensive one.
I have said even if I had a million dollars I would not buy Porches or Jaguars or Mercedes
 
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We are supposed to tithe to our local church or "storehouse"...some however, are between churches...in that case as even with the other...those that are led by the spirit of God are the sons and daughters of God. We all should be led by Him and as we acknowledge Him, He will direct our paths.
 
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Tithing was apractice in ancient Israel under the old covenant in order to maintain the OT priesthood... there is no need for it at all under the new covenant since the new covenant priesthood does not even minsiter until the new earth except to the saints who are looked after by guardian angels, not by filthy lucre...
 
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I believe the false doctrine of tithing as it's being pushed throughout much of the church needs to be BROKEN, renounced, repented of..... and the preachers teaching it need to teach the truth about what tithes WERE and what offering & gifts are.

While some people have claimed to be blessed by tithing, the fact remains they are accepting and promoting a false doctrine. I suppose I could be blessed by the doctrines out there that make me feel comfortable in my sins and say there is no hell. (And some so called preachers do teach such things!) However, it would be a temporal blessing, not an eternal one.

For every one that claims to be blessed by tithing there are at least an equal number (probably more) that are cursed by it, burdened by it, and financially in bondage because of it. As I have stated before - when preachers teach if you don't tithe you will be under the curse like Malachi says, and specifically a financial curse, that is nothing but witchcraft in Christian language!

Someone wants me to tithe to the church? Good - next fall I will bring in 10% of the vegetables I grow in my garden, 10% of my herbs, and 10% of my chickens (if we get chickens in spring). Then we will all feast on it and give a portion to the homeless in the area....of course I don't know where the temple priests & Levites will be to accept my tithe, nor do I know how part of my tithe will be offered as a sacrifice unto God since Jesus dies once for all.....

See how rediculous the tithe teaching is?
 
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Tithing was apractice in ancient Israel under the old covenant in order to maintain the OT priesthood... there is no need for it at all under the new covenant since the new covenant priesthood does not even minsiter until the new earth except to the saints who are looked after by guardian angels, not by filthy lucre...
Jesus tithed...and He said this about giving...in the NT.

Mat 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Mat 6:2 Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

Mat 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

Luk 11:41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.

Luk 12:33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

Act 3:2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;

Act 3:3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.

Act 3:10 And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him.

Act 10:2 [A] devout [man], and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

Act 10:4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

Act 10:31 And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.

Act 24:17 Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.

Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?

Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites?

Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.

Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose [is] this image and superscription?

Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Mat 22:22 When they had heard [these words], they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Luk 11:41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.

Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
 
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I believe the false doctrine of tithing as it's being pushed throughout much of the church needs to be BROKEN, renounced, repented of..... and the preachers teaching it need to teach the truth about what tithes WERE and what offering & gifts are.

While some people have claimed to be blessed by tithing, the fact remains they are accepting and promoting a false doctrine. I suppose I could be blessed by the doctrines out there that make me feel comfortable in my sins and say there is no hell. (And some so called preachers do teach such things!) However, it would be a temporal blessing, not an eternal one.

Why don't you tell us what you REALLY think? :o

I disagree w/ your comment on those electively practicing a tithe to be 'supporting & promoting a false doctrine".
The amount anyone gives to God is only between us & God - and not to be judged by others either way.

There are Messianic Christians who KNOW we aren't under the OT Torah/Law who electively observe the feast days & dietary laws God set forth.
NOT becuz they're under the law (and they do not claim they're under Law), but they willingly do it for a deeper relationship w/ God in symbolism - just as we take communion & get baptized.

Are all the Messianic believers of Christ promoting false doctrines by their elective observance too?

To get really technical, most of us obey some of the dietary laws of not eating the fat of the animal & not eating blood... we obey the same moral laws of the 10 commandments too... that's observance of some OT law. The law isn't BAD or EVIL - the dietary laws are good guidelines we need to follow including no eating blood.

My husband and I tithe, and I take some personal offense to your harsh judgment of our designated giving.
The Tithe was what God originally ordained for His people - I can't see how it's somehow "evil" now to ELECTIVELY give 10% and even MORE of our income if we so choose.

We aren't to make judgments on any amounts people give as per the NT. Some wealthy people we knew gave much MORE than 10% of their incomes...
I don't find anything wrong w/ that. :scratch:
In fact, the NT teaches the principle that the more you give, the more God gives you in return.

What are the wealthy to give?? And what of the woman who was dead broke who gave her 2 mites which was her entire income and Jesus was so pleased with her.?

I know & understand where your coming from, I just think judgment on any amounts people elect to give (10%, more than 10% or less than 10%) isn't right or any of our business, nor is it 'promotion of false doctrine'. It's between us & God alone.
 
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I believe the false doctrine of tithing as it's being pushed throughout much of the church needs to be BROKEN, renounced, repented of..... and the preachers teaching it need to teach the truth about what tithes WERE and what offering & gifts are.

While some people have claimed to be blessed by tithing, the fact remains they are accepting and promoting a false doctrine. I suppose I could be blessed by the doctrines out there that make me feel comfortable in my sins and say there is no hell. (And some so called preachers do teach such things!) However, it would be a temporal blessing, not an eternal one.

For every one that claims to be blessed by tithing there are at least an equal number (probably more) that are cursed by it, burdened by it, and financially in bondage because of it. As I have stated before - when preachers teach if you don't tithe you will be under the curse like Malachi says, and specifically a financial curse, that is nothing but witchcraft in Christian language!

Someone wants me to tithe to the church? Good - next fall I will bring in 10% of the vegetables I grow in my garden, 10% of my herbs, and 10% of my chickens (if we get chickens in spring). Then we will all feast on it and give a portion to the homeless in the area....of course I don't know where the temple priests & Levites will be to accept my tithe, nor do I know how part of my tithe will be offered as a sacrifice unto God since Jesus dies once for all.....

See how rediculous the tithe teaching is?

Absolutely ridiculous . It seems that the people who are the most ignorant of the tithing Scriptures are those that say that all should because the Scriptures say to do so . If they aren't ignorant , then they intentionally twist the passages to keep people in the dark in order to perpetuate their Law .
 
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Why don't you tell us what you REALLY think? :o

I disagree w/ your comment on those electively practicing a tithe to be 'supporting & promoting a false doctrine".
The amount anyone gives to God is only between us & God - and not to be judged by others either way.

There are Messianic Christians who KNOW we aren't under the OT Torah/Law who electively observe the feast days & dietary laws God set forth.
NOT becuz they're under the law (and they do not claim they're under Law), but they willingly do it for a deeper relationship w/ God in symbolism - just as we take communion & get baptized.

Are all the Messianic believers of Christ promoting false doctrines by their elective observance too?

To get really technical, most of us obey some of the dietary laws of not eating the fat of the animal & not eating blood... we obey the same moral laws of the 10 commandments too... that's observance of some OT law. The law isn't BAD or EVIL - the dietary laws are good guidelines we need to follow including no eating blood.

My husband and I tithe, and I take some personal offense to your harsh judgment of our designated giving.
The Tithe was what God originally ordained for His people - I can't see how it's somehow "evil" now to ELECTIVELY give 10% and even MORE of our income if we so choose.

We aren't to make judgments on any amounts people give as per the NT. Some wealthy people we knew gave much MORE than 10% of their incomes...
I don't find anything wrong w/ that. :scratch:
In fact, the NT teaches the principle that the more you give, the more God gives you in return.

What are the wealthy to give?? And what of the woman who was dead broke who gave her 2 mites which was her entire income and Jesus was so pleased with her.?

I know & understand where your coming from, I just think judgment on any amounts people elect to give (10%, more than 10% or less than 10%) isn't right or any of our business, nor is it 'promotion of false doctrine'. It's between us & God alone.

What I REALLY think is that the PREACHING of tithing is wrong. Whether or not a person gives 10% or 5% or 99% to their church is irrelevant. But,...... if they do it specifically because they are being convinced to do so because of the tithe teaching, then there is a problem. I wouldn't say this about you since you appear to know the truth about what tithing was. What I said goes for people who insist that tithing is for today, for the church, and a Christian has to give 10% of their INCOME (money) or else stand the danger of being under a curse. That's where the real problem lies - when pastors throw that curse scripture at you in order to convince you to tithe.

HephzibahBenJudah said:
Jesus tithed...and He said this about giving...in the NT.

Mat 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Mat 6:2 Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

Mat 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

Luk 11:41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.

Luk 12:33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

Act 3:2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;

Act 3:3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.

Act 3:10 And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him.

Act 10:2 [A] devout [man], and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

Act 10:4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

Act 10:31 And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.

Act 24:17 Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.

Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?

Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites?

Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.

Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose [is] this image and superscription?

Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Mat 22:22 When they had heard [these words], they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Luk 11:41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.

Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Show me where scripture says Jesus tithed? It's silent. We don't know if he did or didn't. It could go either way. One could say he did because he was a keeper of the law. Another could say he didn't because he interpreted the law differently by healing on the sabbath, and because he went to the temple and drove out the money changers and those who were selling animals for the sacrifice... saying they had made the temple a den of thieves.

Most of your verses mention ALMS not tithes. Big difference.

Alms = eleemosune: giving alms, charity, a donation to the poor.

Tithes = apodekatoo: to receive a tenth.

You also are missing the fact I have brought up a few times here and in other tithing threads - that tithes were always food, not money. When Jesus does mention tithe to the pharisees it has to do with herbs and spices: food.

As far as Luke 18:12 - the man who gave tithes of all he possessed was NOT justified if we read the surrounding verses.

Finally, the gospel accounts of tithing occur before Jesus death and resurrection so have absolutely nothing to do with the church. Once Jesus was crucified and became the atonement for our sins, he fulfilled the sacrificial requirement and there was no longer a need for the temple sacrifices. The feasts, the sacrifices all pointed to Christ who fulfilled them. The moral law such as the ten commandments and other moral laws still stand, being summed up in "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely]this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."

Tithing was never instituted for the church. Gifts are, offerings are, alms (donations for the poor) are. Tithes are not.
 
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