Jezebel Spirits, Soul Ties, Generational Curses etc

[janny108]

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A true Jezebel spirit is a rebellious spirit. If fully matured, it is lawless, unwilling to submit to any higher authority.
Their conscience is either underdeveloped or seared.

Because rebelliousness is as the sin of witchcraft (according to the Word), it attracts and opens doors to the demonic realm.

Highly developed jezebel spirits are cunning to an art form. They are treacherous. They are masters at masking themselves around most people, while zeroing in on their victim who has something they want - usually power in a church, business, home etc.

They are evil in the sense that they are perfectly willing for others to be hurt in their pursuit of what they want.

They need an Ahab type of personality to enable them. It takes courage and spiritual warfare to bring them down if they get themselves entrenched. It is far better to be a watchman on the wall and recognize what you are dealing with (discernment), before entrenchment occurs.

How do you know if a person just has a tendency to control things and someone with a Jezebel spirit?
In the bible, Jezebel controlled the actions of a king, right? Did she attempt to control on a physical level or a spiritual one? She had the prophets killed, did n't she?

I don't get the mixing of abominations and divine things, pls explain.
Jan

 

[janny108]

These side issues are actually 'strongholds' in people's lives that can keep them in bondage for decades and even longer.

Soul ties are usually what the world would call co-dependency. It's a form of 'idol' worship.

It's when someone serves another person at the expense of serving God. That service may be out of fear, or extreme need for their approval, or emotional neediness, etc.

Some type of fear is almost always at the root of it.

Repentance is the first step towards freedom.

Yes I agree about the soul ties. I think it's also about leaving a place where you have attachments and God is telling you to move on...But it's definitely about being attached to people. I wonder how many people don't "go" because of friends, relatives (esp)?

Jan

 

[Father Rick]

3 different issues...

First the 2 easy ones...

"Soul ties" are "modern psychology meets charismatic theology," and it not mentioned in scripture at all. It's basically trying to spiritualize bad relationships/bad relationship skills, so that one can just "pray a prayer" and "fix everything" rather than actually having to learn how to establish healthy boundaries in one's life.

A "Jezebel Spirit", while never mentioned in scripture per se, is used by many to describe a rebellious/controlling "spirit" within a person-- be that an attitude or an actual demonic spirit. It is (obviously) taken from Jezebel in scripture who dominated her weak husband, fought against the true prophets of God, and led the people into idol worship.

"Generational curses" are the more difficult of the three to discuss, since there are scriptures talking about the "sins of the fathers visited on the children to the 3rd and 4th generation." Scripture is also clear that the grace/mercy of God is visited to the 1000th generation, so it would definitely seem that God's grace is far greater in its impact (even on future generations) than any sin could ever be. Again, many try to spiritualize these things to make it so that one can "fix" everything by praying a "magical" prayer to "break the curse". In reality, it's about breaking patterns of sinful behavior. For example, most alcoholics are the children of alcoholics-- because they learned the behavior by living in a dysfunctional household. One has to allow the grace of God to bring change so that one doesn't continue in those destructive behaviors learned.

 

[mightywarrior77]

Yes I agree about the soul ties. I think it's also about leaving a place where you have attachments and God is telling you to move on...But it's definitely about being attached to people. I wonder how many people don't "go" because of friends, relatives (esp)?

Jan

There are different kinds of soul ties. Good ones and bad ones. I have had some experiences with the bad ones! You can have a soul tie with someone that you had a relationship with in the past. someone that you just can't seem to get over them. It almost torments you to no end. You have to take autority over that and renounce it and repent of it. You may disagree with me on this but I have had this to happen to me before. It works to repent, release and take control of this type of soul tie. The lord will free you from this and restore you.

 

[mightywarrior77]

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How do you know if a person just has a tendency to control things and someone with a Jezebel spirit?
In the bible, Jezebel controlled the actions of a king, right? Did she attempt to control on a physical level or a spiritual one? She had the prophets killed, did n't she?

I don't get the mixing of abominations and divine things, pls explain.
Jan

You are right on it Churchlady about the Jebezel spirits. That is something we have to watch out for in our Church or leadership.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

The Jezebel spirit is in direct relationship to Baal worship
The Art of False Religion

G.CAMPBELL MORGAN the crisis of Christ ---a late 19 century Christian teacher
Every human being who is not worshiping the One living God, is worshiping Baal, or Moloch, or Mammon, or all three
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Baal (the mind) =actions springing from intellect = deification of nature. Worshiping reproductiveness. Degradation and debase of intellect.

Moloch (the heart)= prostitution of emotions= expressed in cruelty and lust. Expresses itself in lack of love. Deeds of brutality toward offspring

Mammon (the will)=will w/o proper governing force=governing and mastering others. Worship of soul, mind and heart. Deification of human will.

All false religions are a product of humans indentifying themselves to produce their own god’s to worship.

But because of their imperfections the gods they produce are also imperfect.
"Man, distanced by God by sin, became ignorant of Him & unlike Him. Not withstanding this fact, the compasity & indeed the necessity for God remains, even though mankind has lost the knowledge of Him, love for Him & likeness to Him.

The only conception of God that man has, is what he finds within himself, &in attempting to think of God, he has consciously or unconsciously always projected his own personality into immensity.

This would have been a true thing to do had man remain true to divine ideals, for mankind was made in the image of God. Seeing that the shadow had become blurred & the image defaced, in the projection of himself man has emphasized the defects & intensified the ruin. To correct that God became incarnate, stooped to the level of man’s power to comprehend Him, gave him a perfect Man in order that the lines projected from the perfect Personality into immensity might be true lines, & so reveal correctly the facts concerning Himself.

When mankind stood erect in full possession of the facts of his own being, he was in very deed in the shadow & image of God. Essentially, possessed of an intellect, an effectual & a volatile nature, he was medium thro, which these essential facts should be expressed along the line of force or power.

Such was the Divine ideal of humanity: spirit & body: the spirit crowned, the body subservient: the spiritual nature dominant & the physical subservient thereto. In man, out of harmony with God, the spiritual fact has been neglected, with the result that the intelligence works wholly within the realm of the material, the affection is warped & prostituted, the will has lost it’s true principal of action. From this false religion arises."

_from "the crises of the Christ" by G. Campbell Morgan 1863-1945

 

[lismore]

Hi Rick

3 different issues...
A "Jezebel Spirit", while never mentioned in scripture per se, is used by many to describe a rebellious/controlling "spirit" within a person-- be that an attitude or an actual demonic spirit.
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My question would be that what is the difference between the 'Jezebel Spirit' and between the fruits of the sinful nature? Are most of the symptoms of the Jezebel Spirit not fruits of the sinful nature?

"Generational curses" are the more difficult of the three to discuss, since there are scriptures talking about the "sins of the fathers visited on the children to the 3rd and 4th generation." Scripture is also clear that the grace/mercy of God is visited to the 1000th generation, so it would definitely seem that God's grace is far greater in its impact (even on future generations) than any sin could ever be.
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Yes and even the curse to the third and fourth generation is for those who hate God:

punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me
Exodus 20:5

But Ezekiel said:

Ezek 18:20
20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

The bible also says:

2 Corinthians 5:17 NIV
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

The old has gone, surely the old would be what had the curse. The new creation in Christ cannot be cursed.

I dont know how anyone can say that a believer can have a 'generational curse', but yesterday a believer told me her daughter was having problems because they were descended from Vikings and are cursed through this .

 

[whitedove7]

What is a Jezebel spirit? It is a woman who is not lined up to the word of God according to Ephesians 5:22-33

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Wives and Husbands

22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[c] 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."

It is when a woman tries to rule and make the decisions over a husband does it cause a home to have problems. it is not in the right order.

A man can be controlling as well and so that is why the Lord says for the man to love his wife as Christ loved the church.

Soul Ties: If you have had sex outside a marriage, then soul ties are created. How do you know? It can be years and you will still have thoughts about them.

 

[lismore]

What is a Jezebel spirit? It is a woman who is not lined up to the word of God according to Ephesians 5:22-33
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Hi whitedove

But why do people call it a 'jezebel spirit?'. Thats something I dont understand. Is it meant to be a literal demon Spirit, the same one that motivated Jezebel?

 

[TreeOfLife]

Certain types of unrenewed mind attract and empower (by agreement) that type of spirit. However, it is the unrenewed mind that needs to be addressed first. The spiritual influence is outside the person, the mind is within them. IMO.

 

[GodismyRefuge]

3 different issues...

First the 2 easy ones...

"Soul ties" are "modern psychology meets charismatic theology," and it not mentioned in scripture at all. It's basically trying to spiritualize bad relationships/bad relationship skills, so that one can just "pray a prayer" and "fix everything" rather than actually having to learn how to establish healthy boundaries in one's life.

A "Jezebel Spirit", while never mentioned in scripture per se, is used by many to describe a rebellious/controlling "spirit" within a person-- be that an attitude or an actual demonic spirit. It is (obviously) taken from Jezebel in scripture who dominated her weak husband, fought against the true prophets of God, and led the people into idol worship.

"Generational curses" are the more difficult of the three to discuss, since there are scriptures talking about the "sins of the fathers visited on the children to the 3rd and 4th generation." Scripture is also clear that the grace/mercy of God is visited to the 1000th generation, so it would definitely seem that God's grace is far greater in its impact (even on future generations) than any sin could ever be. Again, many try to spiritualize these things to make it so that one can "fix" everything by praying a "magical" prayer to "break the curse". In reality, it's about breaking patterns of sinful behavior. For example, most alcoholics are the children of alcoholics-- because they learned the behavior by living in a dysfunctional household. One has to allow the grace of God to bring change so that one doesn't continue in those destructive behaviors learned.

Thank you for the clear instruction in Truth on these matters. Many are confused concerning these issues. I hope they were listening to you, Father Rick! Be blessed

 

[churchlady]

"Soul ties" are "modern psychology meets charismatic theology," and it not mentioned in scripture at all.

Father Rick, I have to respectively disagree with you on this one.

First of all, you call it 'charismatic theology at it's worst'
noting that the term 'soul ties' is not mentioned in scripture at all,....... then you DEFEND the 'Jezebel Spriit' by saying....."while never mentioned in scripture per se, is used by many to describe....."

Why can't 'soul ties', while never mentioned in scripture per se, be used by many to describe something that is observed in life situations.

Its basically trying to spiritualize bad relationships/bad relationship skills, so that one can just "pray a prayer" and "fix everything" rather than actually having to learn how to establish healthy boundaries in one's life.

You mean, just like some will accuse someone they don't like as having a 'Jezebel spirit'? Of course, terms to describe something can be abused by anyone!

But when you deal with some people in these very bad relationships, especially abusive ones, you actually NEED to 'spiritualize' the problem, because these people are in such darkness, that they can't see to free themselves from relationships, that everyone around them sees clearly are destructive.

Just teaching them relationship skills and boundaries are not enough for these who are in such darkness. That may be sufficient for people not caught in this darkness, but not for these unfortunate souls. They first have to have a stronghold (often demonic), broken off of their minds, and then they can learn relationship skills and boundaries.

Praise God that He heals from the inside out, not just the outside behavior.

"Whom the Son sets free, is free indeed."

 

[churchlady]

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How do you know if a person just has a tendency to control things and someone with a Jezebel spirit?

A person can be just the bossy, pushy, controlling type of personality and not be of a Jezebel spirit. They may be just immature and selfish.

However, the danger comes when a person who uses those traits to get their way, becomes given-over to it, to the point that they receive no correction and their conscience no longer convicts them. They are opening themselves to demonic enfluence. It can become set into their character structure until they no longer have the ability within themselves to be free of it. They have been captured by the enemy and are under the yoke of a stronghold.

 

[ahmunmun]

Father Rick, I have to respectively disagree with you on this one.

First of all, you call it 'charismatic theology'
noting that the term 'soul ties' is not mentioned in scripture at all,....... then you DEFEND the 'Jezebel Spriit' by saying....."while never mentioned in scripture per se, is used by many to describe....."

Why can't 'soul ties', while never mentioned in scripture per se, be used by many to describe something that is observed in life situations.



You mean, just like some will accuse someone they don't like as having a 'Jezebel spirit'? Of course, terms to describe something can be abused by anyone!

But when you deal with some people in these very bad relationships, especially abusive ones, you actually NEED to 'spiritualize' the problem, because these people are in such darkness, that they can't see to free themselves from relationships, that everyone around them sees clearly are destructive.

Just teaching them relationship skills and boundaries are not enough for these who are in such darkness. That may be sufficient for people not caught in this darkness, but not for these unfortunate souls. They first have to have a stronghold (often demonic), broken off of their minds, and then they can learn relationship skills and boundaries.

Praise God that He heals from the inside out, not just the outside behavior.

"Whom the Son sets free, is free indeed."

Well said!

 

[BearerBob]

It's superstitious crap.

 

[lismore]

It's superstitious crap.

Perhaps.

As I have often asked, what is the difference between the fruits of the sin nature and this Jezebel's Spirit?

I also ask about Generational curses what God meant by this:


Deuteronomy 24:16 NIV
Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.

Jeremiah 31:30 NIV
Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—his own teeth will be set on edge.


Exodus 18:20

20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.


Usually when someone brings up generational curses and I mention these scriptures, they tell me I have Jezebel's Spirit. When I say I dont believe In reincarnation they tell me I have a soul tie.

 

[BearerBob]

Usually when someone brings up generational curses and I mention these scriptures, they tell me I have Jezebel's Spirit. When I say I dont believe In reincarnation they tell me I have a soul tie.

Charismania(?) was supposed to be a correction for the ills of the previous doctrines. Instead it has become worse than Catholicism in alot of ways.

 

[Simon_Templar]

While I would agree with Fr. Rick for the most part on 'Soul ties' I would point out that there could be some precedent for the idea in regard to marriage and divorce. The bible teaches that marriage creates a spiritual bond which can only be disolved by God.

This is why the church traditionally has granted annulments, and not just divorces.

Marriage and divorce are civil legal contracts and can be done by civil authority. The relationship of husband and wife is something created by, and sanctified by God and thus only God can disolve it.
This, presumably, would be why Jesus says that a divorced person who remarries commits adultery.

On the Jezebel spirit I would also add in the refrence from revelation in the letters to the seven churches. A woman had begun teaching and was leading the church astray. Jesus refers to her as "that woman Jezebel". Since it is likely that Jezebel was not actually the woman's name, it seems to many that Jesus is making refrence to the spirit in which she was opperating.

Generational curses, I would put in the same catagory as Soul Ties.. there is a slight basis for it in scripture in certain circumstances, however, most of what is being refrenced is not a spiritual curse, but the simple every day sort of curse that we refer to as cause and effect. IE if you raise your children wrong, they have effectively been cursed because it will cause destruction and ruin in their lives as adults.

 

[Atlantians]

Hi

Recently I have been hearing about these things more and more at church during the sermon. Can anyone help me out with what these things are?

Jezebel's Spirit I have vaguely heard of once before. Its something that makes women try to rule over their husband (or something?). Sorry girls if I got that wrong

Generational Curses I dont think I believe in (Ezek 18).

What are Soul ties when they are at home?

Even if they are good things I prefer a sermon more and about Jesus+the gospel or the Holy SPirit than these side issues.

The Spirit of Jezebel is spiritual and positional userpation. harlotdome used to one's own benefit.

Woman have always saught authority over the husband since the fall, a part of the curse.
Men are put in a position of authority they were not supposed to have. Women were placed bellow their equal with a desire to have that equality restored, if not eliminated with the benefit going to herself.

Generational curses are commonly thought of as mystical wierd spiritual domination from some act of negative decisions long ago.
What they really are was demonstrated by one of my Elders in a sermon. He is a black history prophesor. He is also African in origin.
He talked about that as a kid, in the segregated community, the culture, being oppressed, caused the creation of a sense of selfish ambition. Gang activity.
This created a sense of lawlessness that meant that if a man in the community stole a TV, for instance, no one would care in that community if the TV was stolen from maybe a white family.
This led to children learning those behaviours and passing those behaviours to their children, and so on.
These "curses" last generations, until someone actively decides to fight that culture in their family and change it.

That is a generational curse.

As for this soul ties.
No clue.
Sounds hokey.

 

[TheGloryisHere]

Hi

Recently I have been hearing about these things more and more at church during the sermon. Can anyone help me out with what these things are?

Jezebel's Spirit I have vaguely heard of once before. Its something that makes women try to rule over their husband (or something?). Sorry girls if I got that wrong

Generational Curses I dont think I believe in (Ezek 18).

What are Soul ties when they are at home?

Even if they are good things I prefer a sermon more and about Jesus+the gospel or the Holy SPirit than these side issues.

a Jezebal spirit has no gender. Men have it as much as women. It just means its a controlling spirit. It's found in ppl who are into excessive control of others. You find that in both male and female. It has nothing to do with whether a person is married or not. It sometimes happens in marriage or it can be a leader who controlls those under him.