http://www.christianforums.com A forum for Progressive/Moderate Adventists. en Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:55:00 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.christianforums.com/style/misc/rss.jpg http://www.christianforums.com http://www.christianforums.com/t7417401/ Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:27:26 GMT After looking at the other Adventist forums, such as Club Adventist and others were a wide spectrum from liberal to conservative theological views of Adventism is discussed with little rancor or anger, I think we should look to see if coming together as Seventh Day Adventist in a united Aventist... After looking at the other Adventist forums, such as Club Adventist and others were a wide spectrum from liberal to conservative theological views of Adventism is discussed with little rancor or anger, I think we should look to see if coming together as Seventh Day Adventist in a united Aventist forum can happen. What are your thoughts? ]]> Progressive/Moderate Adventists reddogs http://www.christianforums.com/t7417401/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7417331/ Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:11:08 GMT The most recent “Adventist World” magazine has the following article title and subtitle (written by Jan Paulsen): “Why Do They Walk Away?” “Keeping youth and young adults engaged in the church must be one of our highest priorities.” Several things came to mind: 1. Why must we do this? 2. The... The most recent “Adventist World” magazine has the following article title and subtitle (written by Jan Paulsen):

“Why Do They Walk Away?”
“Keeping youth and young adults engaged in the church must be one of our highest priorities.”

Several things came to mind:

1. Why must we do this?

2. The word “keep.” Why would we want to keep them inside of anything? We can help our children expand their domain instead of drawing a line around a small one.

3. The assumption that they have “gone” somewhere less desirable. We could ask them where they are, where they wish to go, and then help them get there.

4. The premise of “away.” Many of them are walking “toward” something. It only appears “away” because of the self-centric perspective of the viewer.

Thoughts? ]]> Progressive/Moderate Adventists Avonia http://www.christianforums.com/t7417331/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7415753/ Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:07:58 GMT "Dad, I'm Borrowing
the Car!"


$1,000,000 FERRARI



FERRARI Hits A Power Pole at 200mph!!!!












The driver only had some bruising (seat belt)
And 2 small cuts.


-car loss $1 Million bucks!


-waiting list for a new one - 2 years;


-when can I drive Dad's car again? - nuclear 1/2 life;


-when will I not be grounded & see the light of day? -Same day the polar ice caps melt-still alive....


Priceless!!!


Car only had 9 miles on it !


One mile of those miles was during the wreck.


Now you know why I seldom loan my car.

Your brother in Christ,
Doc ]]> Progressive/Moderate Adventists thecountrydoc http://www.christianforums.com/t7415753/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7412398/ Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:12:33 GMT “For to me *to live **is** Christ*, and *to die **is** gain.*22But if I live in theflesh, this is the fruit of my labor. Yet I do not know what I shall choose.23For *I am pressed * *together by the **two*: having a desire to *depart and to be with Christ*, which is far better.24But *to **remain... “For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.22But if I live in theflesh, this is the
fruit of my labor. Yet I do not know what I shall choose.23For I am pressed
together by the two: having a desire to depart and to be with Christ,
which is far better.24But to remain in the fleshis more needful for
you.25And having this confidence, I know that I shall remain and continue
with you all, for your advancement and joy of faith,” Phil 1:21-25 MKJV


Phillip 1:23 is the most potent argument that the advocates of Life After Death can pull. The
reasons are obvious.



Paul was saying that he was confused between departing and being with Jesus and
remaining to serve Christ. The question here is: 'What does 'departing and being with
Christ' mean ?'. Does it mean death ?



In verse 21 Paul makes it clear that for him 'to live is Christ' meaning that Paul saw living
as a chance to serve Christ as he explained in verses 22 & 24.



He also continued to say that on the other hand for him 'to die is gain'. It is important to
note here that Paul is talking of physical death as in when we loose our loved ones
because he is confused in choosing between dying and living 'in the flesh' (v 21).



Now a 'Million dollar question' is: 'How was death gain to Paul ?'. This question is
answered by what Paul says as he continues:



“For I am pressed together by the two: having a desire to depart and to
be with Christ, which is far better.24But to remain in the fleshis more
needful for you.” Phil 1:23-24 MKJV



Paul is talking of the two opposed events and that is dying and living. Each of these events
has it's benefit for Paul. The benefit of living is that Paul will continue to serve Jesus
[v22,24]. Then clearly the other remaining benefit of the two which is 'departing and being
with Christ' can only be a result of the other event which is a death of Paul.



Therefore Paul clearly saw death as a means for him to meet Christ.






Discussing 'Soul Sleepers' Response



Those advocating Soul Sleep belief state that Paul wrote these words because he
understood that when he dies the next thing he would experience would be the trumpet of
the return of the Lord since he'd be asleep all along ?



Paul Dies >> Paul Sleeps Unconscious For Centuries Before The Lord's Return >> Jesus Returns And Raises The Sleeping Saints Including Paul Who Then Regains His Consciousness
Would Paul see it as a benefit for him or for Jesus to leave the critical evangelistic
mission on earth and to go and sleep on a grave unconscious and doing nothing but
waiting for the Lord's Return ? It's difficult to imagine that Paul would see benefit in this.
Though this reasoning cannot be ruled out as yet.



Help !!!!! I m soooo confused! ]]> Progressive/Moderate Adventists dragNdrop http://www.christianforums.com/t7412398/