Christian Forums - Traditional Adventists http://www.christianforums.com The forum for Adventist members. en Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:01:23 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.christianforums.com/style/misc/rss.jpg Christian Forums - Traditional Adventists http://www.christianforums.com THIS is a MUST READ!!! Ben Stein on Christmas from CBS Sunday Morning http://www.christianforums.com/t7415003/ Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:18:43 GMT

I Only hope we find GOD again before it is too late!



The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.


My confession:


I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are, Christmas trees.


It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house inMalibu .. If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.


I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period.. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country.. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.


Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.


In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.


Billy Graham'S daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding Hurricane Katrina ).. Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?'


In light of recent events... Terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.


Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem ( Dr. Spock 'S son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said okay.


Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.


Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'


Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.


Are you laughing yet?


Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.


Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.


Pass it on if you think it has merit.


If not, then just discard it..... No one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.


My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,

Ben Stein

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Your brother in Christ,
Doc
 ]]> Traditional Adventists thecountrydoc http://www.christianforums.com/t7415003/ Adventist church in Gibraltar ? http://www.christianforums.com/t7414966/ Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:10:54 GMT Is there one ? Is there one ? ]]> Traditional Adventists sim-value http://www.christianforums.com/t7414966/ When Do you say enough? http://www.christianforums.com/t7414396/ Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:33:57 GMT So I was wondering when you think it's time to shake the dust from you feet and move one?

I've found that many on these boards really have no interest in learning or understanding truth. It seems better to most that we engage in argument then work together to understand the bible.

More so then not I prefer to say something when someone disparages our teachings publicly, but when do you think one should simply move on?

I hate the idea that someone may get the wrong idea about Adventisim because of what someone who has been lead astray may say, but at the same time I don't want to constantly battle against people who are suppose to be my siblings in Christ.

It's troublesome. ]]> Traditional Adventists Stryder06 http://www.christianforums.com/t7414396/ TIME is TICKING AWAY!!! http://www.christianforums.com/t7413893/ Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:56:27 GMT *Your* *prayers* *are* *needed!!!* ========================================================================== *Time Is Ticking Away (http://www.amazingfacts.org/Publications/NewsandFeatures/tabid/121/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/442/Time-Is-Ticking-Away.aspx)* Image:... Your prayers are needed!!!


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Time Is Ticking Away


Pastor Doug Batchelor is presenting a unique Bible prophecy seminar — calledTime Is Ticking Away — in Sydney, Australia, through November 14, 2009 — and the timing couldn’t be more critical.


A spiritual battle is being waged for the hearts and minds of people living in the city of Sydney and the rest of that nation. This weekend in Australia, virulent and outspoken atheist Christopher Hitchens will be speaking at the Festival of Dangerous Ideas in Sydney. What’s so dangerous about ideas? Well, according to Mr. Hitchens, “Religion poisons everything.”


Atheists in Australia and around the world are upping the ante in their war of words and ideas, attacking the Christian faith with increasing hate and antagonism.



So it’s absolutely crucial that God’s people — you and all of our supporters — begin to pray right now for Pastor Doug and this outreach effort, that a powerful outpouring of the Holy Spirit will move on the hearts of people all over Australia during this 20-part event.

  • If you are in the area, we ask you to support Time Is Ticking Away by going to the event in person.
  • October 26–November 14: Event Cinemas Complex (Greater Union), 505-525 George Street, Sydney.
  • If you have a friend or family member in the area, please call or email them about Time Is Ticking Away. Invite them to attend and pray for them.
This important outreach event is also a major financial commitment. Television ads are already appearing on primetime television in Sydney. We also plan to record and distribute the series after it is completed. We need you prayers and financial support more than ever!




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Your brother in Christ,
Doc
]]> Traditional Adventists thecountrydoc http://www.christianforums.com/t7413893/ Ron Paul does it again. http://www.christianforums.com/t7413289/ Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:05:41 GMT Among the many other GOOD legislation that Ron Paul has brought to the HOR, here is an awesome one. I, being in the natural health care community, applauds this bill.The FDA is a corrupt and evil federal government 'agency' that has no Constitutional right to be in existence. It has failed the American people miserably in it's 'purpose'. If you are tired of the federal government taking over your sovereign rights, call your reps and encourage them to vote on this bill. Thank you.

CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL INTRODUCES
3 BILLS TO RESTORE CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT;
END FDA CENSORSHIP OF HEALTH CLAIMS;
AND END FTC CENSORSHIP OF HEALTH INFORMATION

Washington, D.C.: Today on the floor of the House of Representatives, Congressman Ron Paul introduced three bills that would restore constitutional government; end FDA censorship of health claims; and end FTC censorship of health information.

The Congressional Responsibility and Accountability Act. This bill prohibits regulations promulgated from regulatory agencies from going into effect unless passed into law by Congress in the way in which the Constitution designates. Under Article I of the Constitution, the Congress of the United States, our elected representatives, are the ones given the exclusive power to make laws. In violation of the non-delegation doctrine, about 90% of all law created by the federal government is the product of unelected heads of bureaucratic agencies, not our elected representatives. From 1934 to the present, the Congress of the United States has delegated executive, legislative, and judicial governing power to these agencies. The founding fathers warned that this combination would give birth to tyranny, self-dealing, and corruption and would be the death of liberty. Because the unelected bureaucracy makes the laws, the nation has been transformed from a republic into a bureaucratic oligarchy. Congressman Ron Paul’s Congressional Responsibility and Accountability Act restores constitutional government by returning to Congress the responsibility to make laws, thereby making them once again accountable for the laws to those who elect them.

The Health Freedom Act. This bill removes FDA’s power of prior restraint over all nutrient-disease relationship claims. Under the bill, FDA may not prohibit any statement concerning a nutrient affecting a disease (including treatment effects) from being made in the market and may only act against a statement once made if it possesses clear and convincing evidence that the statement is false. Presently FDA blocks an enormous quantity of truthful information concerning the effects of nutrients and foods on disease from reaching consumers. That barrier is removed by the Health Freedom Act, but the Act preserves the power of the government to prosecute those who communicate falsehood. The essential purpose of the First Amendment is to disarm the federal government of the power to impose a prior restraint on speech. The FDA has imposed a prior restraint for decades to the health detriment of the public. Passage of the Health Freedom Act will restore constitutional governance by reasserting the supremacy of the First Amendment over the Food and Drug Administration.

The Health Information Protection Act. This bill prevents the Federal Trade Commission from taking action against any advertiser that communicates a health benefit for a product unless the FTC first establishes based on clear and convincing evidence that the statement made is false and that its communication causes harm to the public. Presently, the FTC reverses the Fifth Amendment burden of proof on the government when it charges advertisers with deceptive advertising and then demands that they prove their speech true based on contemporaneously held documentation or be deemed to have advertised deceptively. The Fifth Amendment requires that FTC bear the burden of proving advertising deceptive. It may not constitutionally shift the burden to the advertiser to prove its statements not deceptive. The First Amendment requires that FTC not act against speech unless the speech is provably false. It may not constitutionally accuse a party of false advertising yet lack proof that the advertising is false and condemn advertising based on an absence of documentation concerning the truth of the statement rather than the presence of evidence establishing the falsity of the statement.

Dr. Paul’s introduction of these three momentous bills offers hope to those who presently perceive themselves as disenfranchised of a return to constitutional government.
* * * * ]]> Traditional Adventists honorthesabbath http://www.christianforums.com/t7413289/ Quote about Sunday http://www.christianforums.com/t7412659/ Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:53:37 GMT Neat quote I just read:

"Now the Syrian cult of the Sol Invictus, the invincible sun, officially introduced into Rome by the Emperor Aurelian (270-275) absorbed and superseded all other heathen religions, and formed a bridge for the dominance of Christianity, thus contributing not a little to the complete and unconditioned ascendance of this day over the week."

Karl Budde, The Sabbath and the Week," Journal of Theological Studies 30/117 (Oct. 1928): 2. ]]> Traditional Adventists djconklin http://www.christianforums.com/t7412659/ Something Not Often Seen! http://www.christianforums.com/t7412198/ Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:31:54 GMT Contrary to popular belief this photograph is actually older than I am. Doc Image: http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o238/KatrinaMarie_photos/Niagrafalls.jpg Contrary to popular belief this photograph is actually older than I am.

Doc



]]> Traditional Adventists thecountrydoc http://www.christianforums.com/t7412198/ Alcohol http://www.christianforums.com/t7412153/ Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:02:01 GMT I know we have discussed this topic numerous times and this is why I placed this information in the non-debate area, because this is FYI only. Look carefully at the the last part of this document and how it says that even at LOW levels, alcohol has a devastating effect on the body. ... I know we have discussed this topic numerous times and this is why I placed this information in the non-debate area, because this is FYI only.

Look carefully at the the last part of this document and how it says that even at LOW levels, alcohol has a devastating effect on the body.

The document is too large for this page, so just follow the link--thank you.

ConnDOT: How Alcohol Affects Your BAC ]]> Traditional Adventists honorthesabbath http://www.christianforums.com/t7412153/ <![CDATA["Dad, I'm Borrowing the Car!"]]> http://www.christianforums.com/t7412108/ Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:43:50 GMT Dad, I'm Borrowing
the Car!

$1,000,000 FERRARI



FERRARI Hits A Power Pole at 200mph!!!!












The driver only had some bruising (seat belt)
And 2 small cuts.

-car loss $1 Million bucks!

-waiting list for a new one - 2 years;

-when can I drive Dad's car again - nuclear 1/2 life;

-when will I not be grounded & see the light of day -Same day the polar ice caps melt-still alive....

Priceless

Car only had 9 miles on it !

One mile of it was during the wreck.






]]> Traditional Adventists thecountrydoc http://www.christianforums.com/t7412108/ THE POWER of the STORM #1 http://www.christianforums.com/t7412087/ Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:30:50 GMT Image: http://officeofstrategicinfluence.com/calm/wentloog.jpg ]]> Traditional Adventists thecountrydoc http://www.christianforums.com/t7412087/ <![CDATA[3ABN's 25th ANAVERSARY!!!]]> http://www.christianforums.com/t7411628/ Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:12:55 GMT Dear Doc, Can you believe Three Angels Broadcasting Network is 25 years old? That's right! It's been some 25 years since that historic November night when the Lord inspired our founder, Danny Shelton, to “build a television station that would reach the world with the undiluted three angels' messages; one that would counteract the counterfeit.”

Under God's leading, and by His Grace, we have tried to carry out that mandate for this past quarter century, and needless to say, His blessings have been almost too numerous to tell!

You have been an important part of those blessings, so it is with great pleasure that we extend a special invitation for you to join us at the historic Battle Creek Tabernacle in Battle Creek, Michigan, for a special 25th Anniversary live broadcast beginning Thursday evening, November 5 at 7:00 p.m. Eastern Time. The broadcasts will continue on Friday evening at 7:00 p.m., and on Saturday at 9:30 a.m. and 2:30 p.m.

This is truly an event that you won't want to miss! We'll have a number of 3ABN presenters and guests; Jim Nix will join us from the Ellen White Estate; the 60-voice Andrews University Singers will join us to help debut the music from the new Pillars Of Our Faith musical project. These new songs are based on the doctrines of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and were written exclusively for 3ABN by two of the most recognized and talented songwriters in the country. A number of other friends of the ministry will stop by to join us also, so come join us as we kick off a yearlong celebration of the goodness of the Lord to this ministry. Your presence will be the “icing on the cake,” and it won't be the same without you, so please make plans to join us for what promises to be a time of rejoicing and great spiritual blessings. We hope to see you there!


Jim Gilley, President
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Your brother in Christ,
Doc ]]> Traditional Adventists thecountrydoc http://www.christianforums.com/t7411628/