http://www.christianforums.com A forum open to Christians and Jews to discuss Messianic Judaism beliefs and issues. en Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:30:58 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.christianforums.com/style/misc/rss.jpg http://www.christianforums.com http://www.christianforums.com/t7419283/ Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:46:46 GMT When the Lord and two angels visited Abraham, he had a calf slaughtered and served it to the Lord along with milk and butter. GEN 18:8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat. I just... When the Lord and two angels visited Abraham, he had a calf slaughtered and served it to the Lord along with milk and butter.

GEN 18:8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.


I just noticed that.
So, why is it not kosher if it was good enough for God Himself to eat? ]]> Messianic Judaism christianmomof3 http://www.christianforums.com/t7419283/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7419150/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:42:28 GMT I was surprised that when I saw a preaching about unclean foods, especially pork, you'll read a lot of response from Christians who are against it. And they say "I pray for this preacher that they will be enlightened"... But the truth is, those preachers are already been enlightened! They, who oppose the teachings, needs to be enlightened. So sad to see they thought these preachers are infidels, deceived or false preachers (according to those Christians who opposed the teaching of clean and unclean foods) but the truth is God sent them and used them to help the church to know the truth... Can't believe it that preachers are being persecuted with false accusations...

Just posting my idea here, hehe! I posted a video in FB and I'm not sure if someone is going to response to that in the negative way... Just wanna help everyone and I hope it will...
:bigeye: ]]> Messianic Judaism tm2cruz http://www.christianforums.com/t7419150/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7419123/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:53:03 GMT Shalom, What is the history and meaning of the star of David? Shalom,

What is the history and meaning of the star of David? ]]> Messianic Judaism http://www.christianforums.com/t7419123/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7418928/ Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:01:07 GMT *Fighting Against A Christless Christmas* By Paul Shlichta www.AmericanThinker.com (http://www.americanthinker.com/) In the fourth century A.D., the Catholic Church made a big mistake. Acceding to the popular tradition that Jesus Christ had been born on December 25 and wishing to keep Christians... Fighting Against A Christless Christmas
By Paul Shlichta www.AmericanThinker.com

In the fourth century A.D., the Catholic Church made a big mistake. Acceding to the popular tradition that Jesus Christ had been born on December 25 and wishing to keep Christians from participating in the infamous orgies of the year-end pagan festival of Saturna­lia, the Church established December 25 as the feast of the birth of Christ. Thus, for seventeen centuries, Christ­mas and Saturnalia have competed for the attention of the public. By now, I think we must admit that Saturnalia has won and that Christmas has been thoroughly de-Christianized.

During its long and varied history, Christmas has seldom been entirely free of Saturnalian contamination. As its celebration rose to prominence in the Middle Ages, the nativity scene was flanked with older pagan symbols, such as decorated trees and Yule logs, and religious adoration was admixed with feasting and revelry. After the Reformation, many Protestant sects viewed Christmas with suspicion as "popish" and/or pagan; its celebration was actually banned during the Puritan regime in England.

The 19th century ushered in a trend toward popularizing Christmas by transforming it into a secular holiday of sentimentality and benevolence. This was done at the expense of elbowing Christ off the stage. (It is noteworthy that in the most famous expres­sion of Victorian Christmas spirit, Dickens's A Christmas Carol, the words "Jesus" and "Christ" do not occur even once.) By way of substitution, a new central figure was created —a motley amalgamation of Saint Nicholas, the god Odin, the pagan Yule goat, and the British Father Christmas. His image was defined by cartoonist Thomas Nast and his personality and activities by Clement Moore's "Twas The Night Before Christmas."

Throughout the twentieth century, Santa Claus grew in importance as Christ faded into the shadows. This was largely because "Santa" equated to "gifts" which equated to "sales receipts." But the moguls of commercialization were tolerant. If you were eccentric enough to attribute some sort of reli­gious significance to Christmas, then you were permitted to do so, just so you did it quietly. You couldn't make a major movie about the birth of Christ but you could sneak in an angel or two, as in It's a Wonderful Life, which became the entertainment world's epitome of Christmas. During this period, the infant Jesus was still allowed an occasional walk-on role, mainly in artistic Christmas cards and French carols whose cultural value outweighed their offensive reli­giosity.

But by the beginning of this millennium, even this crumb was denied to Christians. In a series of aggressive confrontations, every trace of Christ in Christmas has been attacked. Public nativity scenes and even Christmas trees have been challenged in the courts as violations of the First Amendment. Holiday children's movies have ceased to be religiously neutral and either deify a gigantic god- like Santa, as in The Polar Express, or else attack Christianity as in the cynically atheistic Hogfather and the clumsily anti-Catholic The Golden Compass. Even the name "Christmas" has been erased, in the interest of inclusiveness and diversity, and been replaced by "the Holiday "—a bit of PC censorship that stores such as Sears, Kmart, Target, and Gap persist in even after threats of boycotts.

The change is now complete. In the thick advertising sections of a Sunday
newspaper, the word "Holiday" was invariably used; "Christmas" did not
appear once. The reasoning behind this censor­ship is positively frightening. When challenged about the change from "Christmas trees" to "holiday trees," Sears responded: "The reason for our use of holiday tree is due to the [sic] Sears Holding is a very diverse company, we do not want to offend any of our associates, but also our valued customers. We decided to call them holiday trees because even if Christians are the only religion that uses a Christmas tree we still do not want complaints from other customers of different religions complaining about our use of Christmas."

So the name "Christmas" is now offensive, the forbidden "C word." Jesus Christ is now He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.

By now, we should have learned that we must fight for our rights or lose
them. The question really is: do we believe and cherish our beliefs strongly
enough to fight for them? * ]]> Messianic Judaism Torah http://www.christianforums.com/t7418928/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7418776/ Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:16:54 GMT I'm posting this as I'm curious to see what everyone thinks about it.
It is taken from a Hebrew Israelite website called Israelite Heritage.
I would appreciate it if it was read objectively (if that is even possible), instead of right away jumping to 'thats offensive anti-semitism'. I honestly would like to know what you think about this.


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THE EDOMITES & THE KHAZARS

"The large majority of surviving Jews in the world are of Eastern European descent - and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the volga, not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that genetically they are more closely related to the Hun, uigur, and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob".

ARTHUR KOESTLER "THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE"
page 17

Who are the people in the land of Israel Known as Jews?

DESCENDANTS OF THE BIBLICAL ISRAELITES is the answer most people will give when confronted with this question. But is this true, if you have read all the pages on this site up until now, you know the answer is no. To prove this all we have to do is look to history for this answer. The Israeli Jews consists of two groups (Ashkenazi and Sephardim), ten to twenty percent are known as Sephardim or Eastern Jew, the remaining eighty to ninety percent are known as Ashkenazi or European Jew. The Ashkenazi Jew comes from Eastern European countries, the Sephardim comes from "Mideast countries". Let history show us who the KHAZARS and Sephardim were and are:

In the year 450 A.D. one of Europe's barbaric tribes was beginning to show signs of restlessness. This tribe was called the KHAZARS (Chazars). Within the next two hundred years, the KHAZARS would form Eastern Europe's largest and most powerful kingdom. They would rule supreme for about 200 years, ranking in power with the Muslim Caliphate and the Byzantine Empire. Their kingdom, of approximately one million square miles, bordered the Aral sea on the east; Kiev and the Ukrainian Steppes on the west: the Caucasus mountain and the Black Sea on the south: and the Ural mountain on the north.

Khazaria represented a very important period in European history, without their valor, Europe would have probably been one 100% Muslim today. Why don't we hear more about the KHAZARS and their mighty empire today?
Now lets look at the genealogy of the KHAZARS. Since this matter is so important, we shall allow the Kagan or King of the KHAZARS to inform us. A Khazar King named Joseph corresponded with a Spanish Israelite named Hasdai Ibn Sharprut sometime between 954 and 961 C.E. (Manuscripts of this correspondence may be seen in the Library of Christ Church at Oxford, England and in the Leningrad Public Library in Leningrad, Russia) Hasdai was the chief minister of the Caliph of Cordoba Abd - al - Rahman III.

At that time Cordoba was the splendor of Moorish Spain (a mixture of black skinned Muslims and Israelites ), and was the main center of European Culture. In his letter to Hasdai, King Joseph stated that he was from the line of JAPHETH, FROM THE SEED OF TOGARMAH, Japheth's grandson. He further stated that Togarmah, who was the brother of ASHKENAZ, had ten sons and the KHAZARS represented the seventh son. With his own lips, this King had given the root of his being and the lineage of his offspring which was from the sons of Japheth .

Let us now see what the scriptures have to say about Japheth and Togarmah. In the book of Genesis 10: 2 - 5. "The sons of Japheth: Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. and the sons of Gomer: ASHKENAZ, AND Riphath, and Togarmah. And the sons of Javan: Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. By these were THE ISLES OF THE GENTILE divided in their lands everyone after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

According to the King of the KHAZARS, his people descended from the family of Magog. Like all European nations at the time, the KHAZARS were pagans. However, ca. 740 C.E. King Bulan initiated the conversion of his kingdom to a new and different philosophy. Before the conversion, the Kagan invited representatives of Christianity, Islam and the Israelites to discuss the three doctrines. It was unanimously agreed, in response to the Kagan's question, that the doctrine of the Israelites was closest to the truth, he came to this conclusion because both the Christians (Byzantine) and Muslims both respected the Hebrew scriptures.

And also in order for the KHAZARS to remain independent they chose the faith that neither the Christian or Muslims was part of but both respected. After the conversion the Khazar King changed his name to become King Obadiah. They displayed much hope but very little understanding, especially of spiritual matters. Eventually, they had to invent their own brand of the law which later they named Judaism. The word "Judaism" cannot be found in the writings of the Prophets of old, neither is it found anywhere in the Holy Scriptures. Judaism, is a misunderstanding or perversion of the customs of the ancient Israelites, as practiced by the KHAZARS.

Arthur Koestler in his very noteworthy book "THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE gives further detailed information about the KHAZARS and their conversion to the faith of the Israelites and how the majority of today's European Jews are direct descendants of them. The information contained in his book is backed up by scripture that show's the Jews are Gentiles, not natural -born Israelites

According to Microsoft Encarta, "Today, about 85% of all Jews are Ashkenazim". The Ashkenazi are not descendants of Israel, Ashkenaz was the grandson of Japheth and brother of Togarmah. Arthur Koestler further explains why today's Jews call themselves Ashkenazi even though they are the Physical seed of Togarmah. He shows that the KHAZARS took on the name of Ashkenaz because it was prophesied in Jeremiah 51:27 that Ashkenaz and their allies would conquer Babylon.

After reading all the historical and biblical information about who are and who are not the true Israelites according to the flesh, should make us have an full understanding of Revelation 12:9. which states : And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the devil and Satan, which deceive the whole world.

The whole world is deceived not only about the right way to worship YHWH, but they are deceived about who are the true Israelites a people near and dear unto YHWH (psalms 148:14).


The second half of the Jewish populace in the land of Yisrael today are the Sephardim or Eastern Jew / Edomites. They have been in the land for over 1900 years , since the 1st century C.E. They are indigenous to the "Mideast". These are the real Edomites (descendants of Jacob twin Esau or Edom) they have lived side by side with the Arab population for many centuries. They are truly descendant from Shem, these Jews are different from the Ashkenazi in appearance they have darker skin and look more like the darker Arab population of the "Mid East", they also comprise less than 20% of the Israeli population. But it would appear that this small segment "Children of Shem" (NOT SEMITES) lineage is cleverly used, along with "Judaism" to imply the "Shemitic" origin of all Israelis Jews.

These Sephardim entered the land in the first century C.E., along with the Romans when Israel was being kicked out of the land, as it is written in the book of Obadyah.

Verse 2 "Behold, I have made you small among the heathen: you are GREATLY DESPISED."

While verses 10 - 16 tells us of Edom's injustice against the Israelites and the prophesy of their curse. "For your violence against your brother Jacob shame shall cover you, and you shall be cut off for ever.

verse 11 In the day that you stood on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even you was as one of them.

verse 12 But you should not have looked on the day of your brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither should you have spoken proudly in the day of distress,

verse 13 You SHOULD NOT HAVE ENTERED INTO THE GATE OF MY PEOPLE IN THE DAY OF THEIR CALAMITY: yeah, you should not have look on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands ON THEIR SUBSTANCE IN THE DAY OF THEIR CALAMITY:

verse 14 Neither should you have stood in the crossway, to cut off his that did escape; neither should you have you have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.

verse 15 For the day of YHWH is near upon all the heathen: as you have done, IT SHALL BE DONE UNTO YOU: YOUR REWARD SHALL RETURN UPON YOUR OWN HEAD.

verse 16 For as you have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea they shall drink, and they shall shallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been".

The Sephardim / Edomite / Eastern Jews are being oppressed big time by the Ashkenazi and because they have joined with the Ashkenazi and call themselves Jews, the surrounding Arab population despise them just as much as they do the Ashkenazi. So they have it coming both ways, but this is their punishment for helping to mistreat the Israelites.

In a book by a Ashkenazi Jew Jack Bernstein entitled 'LIFE OF AN AMERICAN JEW IN RACIST, MARXIST ISRAEL', he tells of his experience in Israel which was not a pleasant one, but he tells of how he married a Sephardim woman and the hatred and discrimination he received from the Ashkenazi population even though he himself is a Ashkenazi. But because he was married to a Sephardim he caught all kinds of hell, the Sephardim are second class citizens in Israel, for this reason Jack Bernstein calls Israel racist, because anybody who is not Ashkenazi is treated as second class citizens.

The Sephardim / Edomites came into the land and laid their hands on Israel possessions and pretended to be the Hebrews, but as Yah said, he would return their reward on their own head. So now the Ashkenazi has come in and move them over and they are pretending to be the true Hebrews and laid their hands on Edom possessions, but this is just the fulfillment of prophecy. I find it interesting that the Sephardim are looked at and called [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]s by the Ashkenazi.

This fact Mr. Bernstein points out in his book on page 39
"One Day I entered a café in Tel Aviv, The place was crowded and I sat down on the only seat available. Also sitting at this table were five Sephardim Jews from Morocco. they learned that I was studying the Hebrew language so they were helping me with my studies when a blue eyed Nazi type Israeli Police officer walked into the café. He ordered me to "GET AWAY FROM THOSE KOOSHIM" . "KOOSHIM" in Hebrew means "[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]".
The Ashkenazi are treating the Sephardim in a similar manner as we are being treated in the United States.
One thing we have learnt is that history rewards all those that do the research. History has showed us that the Jews are not Israelites but Gentiles. We have learnt that this Gentile has descended from the families of Japheth (Togarmah, Gomer, Gig, Magog) and not from the House of Jacob. We have also learnt that Edom has joined with this Gentile to deliberately pervert the word of YHWH.

The Israelites descended from Jacob; while the KHAZARS descended from Japheth and the Edomites from Esau. The Israelites originated from northeastern Africa; while the KHAZARS originated from southeastern Europe and the Edomites from the southern Palestine/Jordan area.

The Majority of Israelites have black skin, according to the Holy Scripture, with woolly hair. The Israelis have white skin, mostly blue eyes, long straight hair.

The Israelites spoke Egyptian, Hebrew, Aramaic and later Greek, Roman, Spanish, various West African languages and today the various languages of the Americas. The Israelis (KHAZARS) spoke a language called Yiddish which many of them still speak.

The Israelites practiced the faith of their forefathers as commanded by their creator through Moshe and written in their history book, the holy scriptures.

The Israelis practice a pagan philosophy called Judaism (those few who have a religious belief). The Israelites traveled by way of the Red Sea and the Jordan; while the KHAZARS traveled by the way of the Caspian Sea and the Volga, and the Edomites by way of the Dead or salt Sea and the Arabah.

The Israelites came from Canaan through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Yaaqob; while the KHAZARS came from the Caucasus through Gomer, Togarmah and Khazar, and the Edomites from Mount Seir through Abraham, Isaac and Esau or Edom.

Finally, according to the Holy Scriptures, Yah himself selected the Israelites and hated the Edomites (Malachi 1: 1-5), while according to history, the KHAZARS were chosen by men.
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Shalom! ]]> Messianic Judaism http://www.christianforums.com/t7418776/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7418356/ Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:10:30 GMT Is it so quiet around here because of the upcoming holidays, or is because everyone is afraid of having their posts pulled for honest questions and answers like some of our friends who are no longer here have had done for that very reason? Is it so quiet around here because of the upcoming holidays, or is because everyone is afraid of having their posts pulled for honest questions and answers like some of our friends who are no longer here have had done for that very reason? ]]> Messianic Judaism anisavta http://www.christianforums.com/t7418356/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7417855/ Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:34:34 GMT I started a thread in Politics area of CF: *What the world is coming to (http://www.christianforums.com/t7417851/#post53505948) * I think we are on the verge of things coming to a close or at least the start of the New World Government being established with real power over nations which our... I started a thread in Politics area of CF:

What the world is coming to

I think we are on the verge of things coming to a close or at least the start of the New World Government being established with real power over nations which our own president will be going to sign a treaty next month.

Tag ]]> Messianic Judaism Shamash Of Yeshua http://www.christianforums.com/t7417855/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7417570/ Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:28:14 GMT When you log on you can normally see at a glance the threads you have posted to and so can keep an eye on their progress (or regress :cool:). Now there are no indications as to which threads I have posted to! Given that we no longer always see the bold type to indicate new postings it is hard,... When you log on you can normally see at a glance the threads you have posted to and so can keep an eye on their progress (or regress :cool:). Now there are no indications as to which threads I have posted to! Given that we no longer always see the bold type to indicate new postings it is hard, now, to keep track, especially when there have been a number of new posts.

Anyone else find this new minimal signage a problem?

Plus the fact it is O so sloooooooow again and timing out often! ]]> Messianic Judaism Heber http://www.christianforums.com/t7417570/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7417506/ Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:40:51 GMT Have you been able to find many Messianic resources for them?

I can't seem to find music, videos, or anything like that. Even if there were just some good Hanukkah movies for kids (not necessarily Messianic) or Passover etc.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks!:clap: ]]> Messianic Judaism lifeinlavender http://www.christianforums.com/t7417506/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7417464/ Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:32:40 GMT John 2:6 Now there were six stone waterpots lying there, according to the Jews' rite of purification, holding two or three measures each.

What was this referring to? thank you! ]]> Messianic Judaism christianmomof3 http://www.christianforums.com/t7417464/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7417260/ Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:47:05 GMT How many people believe there is a select few members in this world who are pushing to have a one world government? Another question is do you believe there are people in certain positions who do lie to cover the above? And last but not least, do you believe what is written in the Bible, that... How many people believe there is a select few members in this world who are pushing to have a one world government?

Another question is do you believe there are people in certain positions who do lie to cover the above?

And last but not least, do you believe what is written in the Bible, that HaS-tan is the god of this world and will do everything to cause so much division amoungst believers in G-D by mixing in lies with Truth?

Well maybe just one last question: Do you believe we are closing in on times of desperation for the masses, mainly those who don't have belief in The Creator of All Things Great and small? I know much of what is happening now around the world and has been for a long time now is small compared to what is to come when that person(s) takes total control and attempts to kill all who have any kind of belief in The Father other then him. ]]> Messianic Judaism Shamash Of Yeshua http://www.christianforums.com/t7417260/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7417098/ Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:33:35 GMT Shalom everyone, I am back to make shalom the best that I can. Considering how hard my life has been especially lately dealing with having my unemployment denied and being told I will have to pay back $2880. I had an appeal but lost it. The employer implied that he told me he fired me the day... Shalom everyone,

I am back to make shalom the best that I can. Considering how hard my life has been especially lately dealing with having my unemployment denied and being told I will have to pay back $2880. I had an appeal but lost it. The employer implied that he told me he fired me the day I was let go by the assigned employer. I regret having a temper when I feel look down on. This happened at the job when the manager who has such a big head and brags as well started to push my buttons as soon as the second in charge who happened to be in charge of the operations of the floor went on vacation. And alot of stress was building inside me from the beginning of working there three months prior. Not to drag this out. I was working through a temp agency. After losing that job I was assigned I called the temp agency every week to see if they had any new job. And since they didn't the first week after I decided to reopen my unemployment that was already open before I got the job. The unemployment person I told that I was fired by the assignment asked if the temp agency fired me and I said no because they didn't. I also talk too much and let the Temp agency manager know I was reopening my unemployment during that first week just after I talked to unemployment. I called him to make sure I wasn't fired. Well two weeks later when I called in he tells me he was terminating me because I filed an unemployment claim against him and that when all this is over I can come back and then said he did have a job for me.
So in the appeal he says "Don't you recall when I told you that you were fired on such and such day" and I in my stupidity only said " I don't recall" without saying that isn't true because you told me on the 14th of July. And I also called two people afterwards which included the only close friend I have that lives nearby and my mom and told then that day that the temp manager fired me. Then I called unemployment the next day to inform them also. I don't know why I didnt' call them the same day. And before the appeal hearing I was thinking don't they keep records of what someone says when they call in.
It is hard to find a job to begin with and now I have to deal with saying I was fired. And also having to pay back the unemployment.
Well I have one more thing to do and that is file for a Review. But I need help with it since I don't feel I can do it. I wish I knew about the organizations around here that help on the Appeal process but they don't when it gets to the Review. Since in the Review basically all you can bring up is what was said in the Appeal and maybe some things that would apply that weren't brought up.
I have my phone records and now have the hearing on cd.
I know I have been walking a rocky road for a long time and many times have thought of just ending it. But you know what, I can't, but at the same time at times it sure feels like I will, but then I don't.
I feel the wrath of HaS-tan and just feel like giving up.
I'm behind in rent a month and a half and have bills coming up that I won't be able to pay like the internet and phone and also kosher and organic food to eat. Let alone gas to get around. I do all my job searches online.
And to top it off I basically gave my surveying job to a house mate since I thought I would have a job in Eastern WA back in Jan. And the Surveyor is mad at me for telling him to go ahead and use the housemate. We were a team when I was working in that job and since the owner brought back a the person who trained me he had to let someone go which was the housemate. Then when the jobs stopped coming in I open unemployment and started looking for another job. At times he would have some work, but not much. And then I had an opportunity in Eastern WA and went there after telling my boss to go ahead and use the housemate, but decided after being there for a day that it won't work out. So basically I screwed myself from surveying for good. I thought in doing that it helped the housemate when I did that. Now I don't feel good for getting him moved in either.

Anyone know any lawyers that might be able to help me. And also anyone that might be able to hire me even for a short time. I have a car with insurance. I'm glad I had the unemployment or I wouldn't have insurance till next march.

I am sorry for being so Bi-polar and scisophrenic. Even though I don't agree with certain beliefs I shouldn't take it out on those who have come to believe in that faith. I do believe that one corrects those within the body according to Timothy and Thesalonians. Sorry I get so bent at times.

Tag ]]> Messianic Judaism Shamash Of Yeshua http://www.christianforums.com/t7417098/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7416269/ Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:33:32 GMT Recently, many of our more classical Jewish friends have left this forum and gone elsewhere.

I for one miss the vigorous debate. I do not proselitise or push my religious convictions down people's throats, but I do engage in healthy dialogue.

to this end, can anyone tell me where they have gone.



Steve ]]> Messianic Judaism cyberlizard http://www.christianforums.com/t7416269/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7416225/ Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:56:30 GMT John 1:25 And they asked him and said to him, Why then are you baptizing if you are not the Christ nor Elijah nor the Prophet? I have some questions about this verse. Apparantly, John was baptising people in a river. This was not, to my understanding, a practice of the Jewish religion at that... John 1:25 And they asked him and said to him, Why then are you baptizing if you are not the Christ nor Elijah nor the Prophet?

I have some questions about this verse.
Apparantly, John was baptising people in a river.
This was not, to my understanding, a practice of the Jewish religion at that time.
As far as I know, there were ritual baths called Mikvah's, but they were done to oneself and not by anyone to someone else.

So, the first question, was the baptism that John was doing something entirely new to the Jewish people?

Then, the second question - why did they think that because John was baptising people he must have been Christ, or Elijah or the Prophet?
Where did that concept come from?
Is it from somewhere in the Bible or from some writings outside of the Bible?

I did find reference to the prophet in Deuteronomy 18:15- it refers to a Prophet like Moses who will be raised up but that does not mention baptism.

Thank you. ]]> Messianic Judaism christianmomof3 http://www.christianforums.com/t7416225/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7416040/ Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:48:05 GMT I'm in a discussion with a guy who pulled a bunch of 'contradictions' probably from some athiest website and it included the mark of the beast as being 616 instead of 666. He's trying to discredit me preaching Jesus and I need help and understanding about this whole matter. Please help me. ]]> Messianic Judaism RMDY http://www.christianforums.com/t7416040/