http://www.christianforums.com A forum to discuss/debate theological doctrines not accepted by mainstream evangelical Christianity (eg. Full Preterism, Unitarianism) en Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:01:14 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.christianforums.com/style/misc/rss.jpg http://www.christianforums.com http://www.christianforums.com/t7418921/ Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:29:21 GMT First Let me Speak Freely.

There are 2 major differences between the Bible, and the Koran. The 1st Difference is the teaching of Jesus Christ. The 2nd Difference is the acceptance of Eternal Damnation, which is life without the effectiveness of "religion". Islam/Muslim Is a "religion". The Koran teaches that, followers of its teachings must resist "Eternal Damnation". Meaning if you believe anything in the "Koran" then you must fight all signs of its conclusion.

So that is what this discussion is about, but where are you going with this important insight?

If the goal of the Koran was to destroy the United States, it would simply teach to seek out and destroy the "manchild", since this is the offering for the United States, which allows them to enter into the 2nd Resurrection Period. Without this offering the USA, would simply be destroyed before May 21, 2011. That is the temptation of JUDAS, which is called Judas Iscampiot.

The Koran instead teaches not to destroy the United States. But to Launch a Nuclear Weapon at the United States, When Babylon comes to this planet. This is done by implication. Let me explain, the coming of "Babylon" represents the end of the effective use of all "religion", so this means the effective end of "Islam", since its a teaching from the Koran.
The Koran teaches that its the "true" gospel, so any identification with its end will be met with force. This is identified with the presense of ALIEN LIFE. Because the Koran (Quran) teaches that "man"-kind is the highest order.

COINCIDENTALLY, the Babyloian Ships will come to this planet and will be in the airspace of the United States. The "islamic" world will respond to this, as every islamic/muslim person identifies, ALIEN LIFE, with the end of Islam. Ultimately a Nuclear Attack will come from the geographic area, where the conflict is in the Middle-east. Namely, from Pakistan, although the misscle will be manufactured in Iran, Iraq, and Afganistan. As in the method of distribution of its materials used in its construction.

When the misscle comes to the United States, headed for the Babylonian Ships. Babylon will redirect the misscle to Virginia, or New Jersey. But most likely Virginia according to Nostradamus. The reason Babylon redirects the Misscle is because it would affect the 1st Resurrection Rapture. Because the manchild must be delivered from this location, as is given in the Bible. Babylon doesn't redirect the misscle any further within the United States, because, Babylon will do a demonstration of where the land-mass'es will split by the movement of their Ships, from before the earth.

And the Central United States, is an area that will have extreme tradegy, and outside of their demonstration of land-mass movement. They would like to see what becomes of this, and would rather not have this simple nuclear attack. Become an advanced warning to the Central United States, because the coasts and upper region of the United States. Is not prepared to support those additional people. So when the LOCUSTS do come, by ignorance the nations of the earth. Will be given these more fully, and the survival rate will become higher, because there will be that much less of ADAM.

so before you talk about the Koran's Biblical Denial of the 2nd Resurrection Period, is there something else you want to say?

You have no power over weather or not Judas Iscamping. Betrayes the son of man. You raised up this ungodly, false prophet, and you will be delivered by his hands. YOU, this nation will be condemned by its own ungodliness. My God is greater then your god. If i may continue.

When the ships come, i will be called before some of you in this very nation in the month of may. I will be called before some of you, not because you know not of the words which i have spoken or by who's mouth it cometh. You will come for a sacrifice. I will be delivered by your hands, but he will deliver you by his hands.

A look at the Koran, before we look at the Koran and Bible

very simple...
[20.10] When he saw fire, he said to his family: Stop, for surely I see a fire, haply I may bring to you therefrom a live coal or find a guidance at the fire.

When the nations of "Islam" see judgement or "fire". They will together devise a plan. In the month of may when the ships first come. In june, an item of destruction or "coal", is set towards the place where "judgement or fire" begins. This is the United States, the state of Pennsylvania.

[20.11] So when he came to it, a voice was uttered: O Musa:
[20.12] Surely I am your Lord, therefore put off your shoes; surely you are in the sacred valley, Tuwa,
[20.13] And I have chosen you, so listen to what is revealed:
[20.14] Surely I am Allah, there is no god but I, therefore serve Me and keep up prayer for My remembrance:
[20.15] Surely the hour is coming-- I am about to make it manifest-- so that every soul may be rewarded as it strives:

These in context, can be a continuation of that thought, which is the command to attack the USA by implication of the USA being the birthplace of "judgement" or "fire". (20.11)"o musa" can therefore be called terminal velocity. (20.12) The only thing sacred about the Koran, is its call to attack, "sacred valley, tuwa", the decision and attack must be made before the passage of 2 months. When Babylon, encircles the globe, most likely all nuclear weapons which are launched will be detonated before they can leave into the atmosphere. (20.13) All factions of Al queda, will call for peace with the united states, and an end to all warfare, to fullfill the desire of the "Koran". (20.14) This islamic world, will search the "Koran", as to what the coming of the "ships" mean, and what must be done. (20.15) THE MANIFESTATION OF THE KORAN IS TO DENY THE 2ND RESURRECTION PERIOD, WITH THE SACRIFICE OF ALL LIFE, WHICH IS CALLED ALL THINGS ISLAM.

(i didn't continue into 20.16, because dealing with an increased "self awareness", can be called a struggle to fullfill "desire". View in the context of this thread, the majority of the Koran simply exists to attack the 2nd Resurrection Period Rapture. The islamic world may not know it yet, but they will become incredibilly dangerous.)


Where does the Holy Bible identify the Koran's denial of the 2nd Resurrection Period as beneficial to Mankind?

GENESIS 41:1 And it came to pass at the end of two full years, that Pharaoh dreamed: and, behold, he stood by the river.
GENESIS 41:2 And, behold, there came up out of the river seven well favoured kine and fatfleshed; and they fed in a meadow.
GENESIS 41:3 And, behold, seven other kine came up after them out of the river, ill favoured and leanfleshed; and stood by the [other] kine upon the brink of the river.
GENESIS 41:4 And the ill favoured and leanfleshed kine did eat up the seven well favoured and fat kine. So Pharaoh awoke.

This is talking about a COW, so we will look at the Koran's book called "THE COW".(after we look at the bible) Do you see how simple and painless that was? In context, Genesis 41:1, the two years, is refering to the the completion of the months of may 2010, when babylon arrives, and June 2010, when the usa is attacked by the islamic world. Genesis 41:1 = 4+1+1=6, 6=June.

Genesis 41:2 is talking about the first Resurrection Rapture in the month of July, as 4+1+2=7, 7=July. The 1st Res. Rapture is July 2010. gen. 41:3 is the period of 8days where the bodies are all thrown out, this is where mankind realizes, that its time for them to become independant of the "gospel", because they are all unworthy. gen. 41:4 is the 9days of this process when the 1st Res. Rapture is complete. Babylon won't do anything except wait until after your earth stops its most blunt movements in May 21, 2011, when they can complet the 2nd resurrection, by oct. 20, 2011 (although i described this in more detail)

Now that we've identified this, what about the Koran and "The Cow"?

[2.12] Now surely they themselves are the mischief makers, but they do not perceive.

This is in the book called "the cow" in the Koran (quran). 2.12, 2+1+2=5, 5=MAY. If you think the islamic world hates the United States now. Wait until you see the ships come. Jealously is the context of their intrepretation for the Koran, to come to the same conclusions i've come to already, simply because i understand how the Koran, obscures the true Gospel. (given at the beginning of this post).

Everyone around the world is going to become infactuated with the United states. I'm going to warn you right now, i gave you guidelines for the 1st Res. Rapture. And if you put more people then what i said, babylon may very well thrown them all out and that will count towards the 200,000,000 total. And you'll just end up with a bunch of United States citizens thrown out, where this should of been ideally, been spread more equally among the nations.

Babylon is not really going to be doing any communications, so you already understand their behavior, from me. I never said you couldn't lie, and use this for yourselves, knowing that all of mankind will be tried, so as to become more "self aware", and more "free", in your being. Which is eternal damnation, because you cannot become more "self aware" with Christ, because that is your nature.

This "self awareness" is a gift. Believe it or not, i've touched on a very very hot issue which were not too far from. But my suggestion is that you do not respond with a nuclear attack in kind. But that you instead put isreal in commond over the decision of response. And that you support Isreal. The likelyhood that anyone who is a devout "islamic" person, will live past Oct. 20, 2011. Is very unlikely, as if they truely obeyed the Koran, they would resist this more abundance of Life.

Because noone believes anything i'm saying, i can say this over a forum. But when next year comes, and when humanity realizes the true evil of religion, as demonstrated chiefly by Islam. There will be an outcry, and demand to keep this a secret.

catholicism would be the most benign religion, the exact opposite is Islam. the only religion with a future is catholicism. Christianity has no value in the future as a practice. But the gospel is always of value, for a measure of your development as "mankind", in your "selfishness". The last sentence has an implied goodness to it, as it shouldn't be understood to be implied negatively. ]]> Unorthodox Theology yeshuachrist http://www.christianforums.com/t7418921/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7418317/ Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:28:51 GMT What are we? Why are we here and for what purpose? Are we just a bunch of carnal people lost in a confusing world full of sin, shame, religion, politics, evil and or good? Or is there a deep and awesome hidden purpose for this whole mess? What are we? Why are we here and for what purpose?

Are we just a bunch of carnal people lost in a confusing world full of sin, shame, religion, politics, evil and or good?


Or is there a deep and awesome hidden purpose for this whole mess? ]]> Unorthodox Theology Spartan Warrior http://www.christianforums.com/t7418317/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7417808/ Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:22:55 GMT To Gather Together As “One” …. Family The following excerpt is taken from the Acts of John, New Testament Apocrypha by Hennecke- Schneemelcher, Vol. II, Westminster Press. 99. This Cross then (is that) which has united all things by the word and which has separated off what is transitory and... To Gather Together As “One” …. Family

The following excerpt is taken from the Acts of John, New Testament Apocrypha by Hennecke- Schneemelcher, Vol. II, Westminster Press.

99. This Cross then (is that) which has united all things by the word and which has separated off what is transitory and inferior, which has also *compacted* all things into one. But this is not that wooden Cross which you shall see when you go down from here; nor am I the (man) who is on the Cross, (I) whom now you do not see but only hear (my) voice. I was taken to be what I am not, I who am not what for many others I was; but what they will say of me is mean and unworthy of me. Since then the place of (my?) rest is neither (to be) seen nor told, much more shall I, the Lord of this (place), be neither seen nor told.
100. The multitude around the Cross that is not of one form is the inferior nature. And those whom you saw in the Cross, even if they have not (yet) one form -not every member of him who has come down has yet been gathered together. But when *human* nature is taken up, and the race that comes to me and obeys my voice, then *he who* now *hears* me shall be united *with this* (race) and shall no longer be what he now is, but (shall be) above them as I am now. For so long as you do not call yourself mine, I am not what I am; but if you hear me, you also as hearer *shall be* as I am, and I shall be what I was, when you* (are) as I am with myself; for from *me* you are what I am.(?) Therefore ignore the many and despise those who are outside the mystery; for you must know that I am wholly with the Father, and the Father with me.

John 17:21. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23. I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24. Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 2:6. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7. Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

Isaiah 45: 9. Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? 10. Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth? 11. Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12. I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13. I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the Lord of hosts.


Psalm 2:6. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee. 8. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.


John 12:32. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.


Psalm 87:5. And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her. 6. The Lord shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah. 7. As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there: all my springs are in thee.


Matthew 23: 9. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.


Psalm 82:6. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8. Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.


John 10:28. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30. I and my Father are one.

ODE of Solomon 10:1 The Lord hath directed my mouth by His word: and He hath opened my heart by His light: and He hath caused to dwell in me His deathless life; 2 And gave me that I might speak the fruit peace: 3 To convert the souls of them who are willing to come to Him; and to lead captive a good captivity for freedom. 4 I was strengthened and made mighty and took the world captive; 5 And it became to me for the praise of the Most High, and of God my Father. 6 And the Gentiles were gathered together who were scattered abroad. 7 And I was unpolluted by my love for them, because they confessed me in high places: and the traces of the light were set upon their heart: 8 And they walked in my life and were saved and be came my people for ever and ever. Hallelujah.
Isaiah 66:18. For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

Amos 4:12. Therefore thus will I do unto thee, O Israel: and because I will do this unto thee, prepare to meet thy God, O Israel. 13. For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind, and declareth unto man what is his thought, that maketh the morning darkness, and treadeth upon the high places of the earth, the Lord, The God of hosts, is his name.

Ezekiel 36: 23. And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24. For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be My people, and I will be your God.

Isaiah 60:3. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. 4. Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. 5. Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. 6. The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the Lord. 7. All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory. 8. Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows? 9. Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the Lord thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee. 10. And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee. 11. Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.

Isaiah 2:2. And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 4. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Isaiah 46:3. Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb: 4. And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.

Secrets of Enoch 65:6 When all creation visible and invisible, as the Lord created it, shall end, then every man goes 7 to the great judgement, and then all time shall perish, and the years, and thence forward there will be neither months nor days nor hours, they will be stuck together and will not be counted. 8 There will be one aeon, and all the righteous who shall escape the Lord's great judgement, shall be collected in the great aeon, for the righteous the great aeon will begin, and they will 9 live eternally, and then too there will be amongst them neither labour, nor sickness, nor humiliation, nor anxiety, nor need, nor violence, nor night, nor darkness, but great light. 10 And they shall have a great indestructible wall, and a paradise bright and incorruptible, for all corruptible things shall pass away, and there will be eternal life.

Isaiah 25:6. And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined. 7. And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. 8. He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

Book of Enoch 61:1 And I saw in those days how long cords were given to those angels, and they took to themselves wings and flew, and they went towards the north. 2 And I asked the angel, saying unto him: 'Why have those (angels) taken these cords and gone off?' And he said unto me: 'They have gone to measure.' 3 And the angel who went with me said unto me: 'These shall bring the measures of the righteous, And the ropes of the righteous to the righteous, That they may stay themselves on the name of the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever. 4 The elect shall begin to dwell with the elect, And those are the measures which shall be given to faith And which shall strengthen righteousness. 5 And these measures shall reveal all the secrets of the depths of the earth, And those who have been destroyed by the desert, And those who have been devoured by the beasts, And those who have been devoured by the fish of the sea, That they may return and stay themselves On the day of the Elect One; For none shall be destroyed before the Lord of Spirits, And none can be destroyed. 6 And all who dwell above in the heaven received a command and power and one voice and one light like unto fire. 7 And that One (with) their first words they blessed, And extolled and lauded with wisdom, And they were wise in utterance and in the spirit of life.

Psalm 22:27. All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. 28. For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations. 29. All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul. 30. A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation. 31. They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

Isaiah 45:22. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. 24. Surely, shall one say, In the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. 25. In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Revelation 5:11. And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12. Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, honour, and glory, and blessing. 13. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14. And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

It sounds like FAMILY REUNION (Feast of Tabernacles) to me. Can you say, “Amen”?!

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc. :thumbsup::amen::clap: ]]> Unorthodox Theology goodnewsinc http://www.christianforums.com/t7417808/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7417394/ Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:13:51 GMT Being born again is different than being saved. We will all come to the knowledge of the truth. The world will be saved.


2Cr 5:19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.




Just not all at once.


Jhn 3:3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Jhn 3:7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

1Pe 1:23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.



Here is a scripture that shows this to be true.


1Ti 4:10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1Ti 4:11These things command and teach.

We see here Paul stating that Jesus is the Saviour of all men. Then he says "specially of those that believe".
And why "especially"? Because we know Him and therefore we are able to partake of the great promises because those who are not born again don't know of the promises and therefore cannot partake. This is "receiving the kingdom".


2Pe 1:4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.



The scriptures that speak of "choosing", this is what we are choosing, righteousness


kat ]]> Unorthodox Theology katallasso http://www.christianforums.com/t7417394/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7417312/ Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:20:46 GMT I have a small question.

Could one call oneself a christian if you believe the following:

I Believe that God created heaven and earth, and that Jesus came to die for our sin. but I also believe that God has a wife, called Asherah.

I'm not a trinitarian. I follow a path closely related to the charismatic view, but currently outside the church. ]]> Unorthodox Theology kkgarbod http://www.christianforums.com/t7417312/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7416536/ Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:59:12 GMT Except that the Bible never says so.

1. "Lucifer" is not a name. I think some confusion about this comes from the fact that the description 'luciferous' is of latin origin... and there is no reason to even have it in our English versions.

2. In a prophecy directed toward the king of Babylon, why would there be another name thrown in in the middle of it? If I were reading a letter supposedly written to me and half way in the writer started talking about some guy named Bob I would just trash the letter. Do you listen to a voicemail when the person says "hey cheri, it's mike" and your name is not cheri?

3. Both Ezekiel and Isaiah are full of prophecies of other countries and leaders of them; including israel, Egypt, Pharaoh, Cypress, Tyre, Babylon, Moab, and many leaders...., also to the people of several nations...including Israel. and not just once but many times. These peple are always referred to as men. I believe it was the reference to the king of Tyre where it specifically says that he became bad through his trading and merchant dealings..., not too sure but I don't think Satan has a merchant business.

4. btw- saying a person was in Eden does not have to be literal. not only that but eden is the region where the garden was... Eden is not the garden.

5. Jesus said "you are of your father, the devil, who was a murderer from the beginning." He doesn't say he was a once perfect angel. ]]> Unorthodox Theology agape101 http://www.christianforums.com/t7416536/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7416075/ Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:58:17 GMT please ignore please ignore ]]> Unorthodox Theology thekabalist http://www.christianforums.com/t7416075/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7415778/ Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:10:24 GMT YouTube - How Many Gods Are There? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzz9DSCMWzU) YouTube - How Many Gods Are There? ]]> Unorthodox Theology OpenDoor http://www.christianforums.com/t7415778/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7414930/ Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:54:54 GMT It was almost a tie between that title or -the heathen's virtue, falling short of the gospel-. Should it of been this it could of been called inflamatory. And so it is not. (thats a sentence, a sentence is a complete thought, how scholars attack the bible).

It was though some time early that the earth was the center of creation. Eventually it was the sun. The reality is the "gospel" is the center of creation, in so much that man is called ADAM. If everyone had there needs met, and there was no suffering. There would be an extinction of "rich" and "mighty" men. Being "rich", or "mighty" entails an ingredient of oppression. Which is the opposite of the "gospel"'s message of "freedom". This is the nature of this discussion. The heathen do for gain, obey the law. But the meaning is the heathen seek suffering, among the members of ADAM.

Where as the "reprobate", to their own hurt and often death, seek to establish their own law. Gain may not become relevant with a "reprobate", but opposing the "law" of the gospel, in as much as it is percieved is their hallmark. The heathen serve no purpose, because there is no gain or plenty outside of slaughter, should this become the case, should the world change. These should become dinosaur. But the world hasn't changed, has it? If the heathen in any way could take life for gain, verily i say they have in their members recieved of the marks which should be meet already. Can they recieve again new life as for the promise in which they deliver themselves from the fire, and unto damnation.

So far the "heathen", and the "reprobate" have been much the same. You can also look at these as the "degree" of fallen man. Because all men have come short of the glory. These surely seek of their own. They will not seek Christ, and Christ will not come for these. and some will live, they will make a christ unto themselves. So that the covering that would, should not come again. Because the covering that is speaks, I am my own, and in my own image i am.

Should the earth split?? Peter and the earthly Church.

Peter is identified with the church. To the heathen, and to the reprobate. Because a "church" is an establishment, it requires money to operate. To the heathen, and to the reprobate, this is justification for these to destroy the promise in the members of ADAM. Embezzlement of all kinds primarily. Lotteries, Insurances, interest rates, all diverse gamblings. Mortages, utilities bills (people have a right to live off the land, or give them a means to an end). Not speaking of taxes which help heathen and reprobates respect the land and the laws.

Lots of these ideals come from the Church. When Christ said i must go so i can pour out the Holy Spirit from among you. Christ meant the church can no longer be solely used because its against his nature. The birthplace of corruption among men, is in opposition with Christ. When Christ said i will destroy the temple and rebuild it in 3 days. He meant the Church is no longer worthy, Christ himself through the holy spirit, superceeds the church as the judge, and introductor to the gospel. Which is the beginning of the promise of eternal life.

The church leaders understood the meaning of the destruction of the temple. And being heathen and reprobates, they understood the answer was to remove Christ altogether from the church, even kill christ in the flesh. In so much that the heathen and reprobate are a law unto themselves. Christ through his mercy has lifted his law above these, and the salvation plan complete.

Should men be confounded?? James the martyr.

James identified with martyrdom, being of the first, notwithstanding Christ. To the heathen and the reprobate. Christ is greater then creation, even the creator of creation. Its impossible man to understand the gospel, without FAITH. The lust of the heathen and the reprobate, lies in resisting the holy spirit, through striffs and contentions with the flesh. there is no mystery to the doctrine or understand of men, its foolishness and leads to death. If there is gain from death, WOE IS IT PRAISED AMONG MEN!!! If there is no gain, but to the glory of the name of Christ, WOE IS IT ACURSED AMONG MEN!!!

To the heathen and to the reprobate. You understand martyrdom, with prostitution primarily. descriminations, and divisions, and denominations of diverse kinds. temporary labor (the foolishness of men knows no bounds), laws that hurt citizens first and all aliens.

Christ will reward the subversive nature of man with afflictions and with confusions of the mind after the former lusts of men. The desire of men is to avoid the judgement of Christ, their own nature of being!!! oh the heathen and the reprobate are the last ones to be called to answer for themselves!!! Mighty is the Christ, and great is his name, his tabernacle can no man claim.

Should the gospel become unprofitable?? John and baptism.

John is identified with water baptism. To the heathen and to the reprobate. Faith without work is dead, faith without Christ is twice dead and swollowed up. A good work which glorifies the father in secret, is meet for faith. Christ has poured out the holy spirit to all men since the crucifician. Its not that men can claim that being a "heathen" or "reprobate", which is to be "man". Is there nature, ITS THEIR DESIRE!!! Christ has exposed these, and the truth since he has risen from the cross. man has chosen to do evil works, and man has chosen to snare his inner man with striffs and contentions. yea for gain, has made sport of hatred and mallice.

Most of church history, and the history of all mankind. Centers around doing evil, which is outward and testifies to men of Christ (lack of). And striffs and contentions, which is to rejoice innerwardly after evil doings, even lusts of all things evil. Which the inner man testifies of to the holy spirit. (2 witnesses, inner outer)

BY 2 WITNESSES IS SOMETHING ESTABLISHED, SURELY cHRIST HAS TWICE ESTABLISHED THESE AND BY MANY OTHERS OF HELL FIRE. and if there be another principality save for babylon, there has been provision for these by inclusion by brain. ADAM was created to be judged, and be of a testimony to the glorious nature of the christ.

To the heathen and to the reprobate. You deny yourselves and your bodies wasted, and your pain is insurmountable. You understand baptism by NARCOTICS. You want to feel good, and deny yourselves, and a holy man causes you pain. SAVE FOR THOSE WHO SAY I HAVE GAINED BY MY FAITH (WHICH IS NOT FAITH BUT DAMNATION)!!!

If mankind is thrown down the gospel, why do they seek it again when it is taken from upon them. ADAM was created to be judged of christ, and these new ones were created for themselves. How therefore can Christ accept these, knowing they are not of him? TO YOUR OWN HURT AND DEATH, SHOULD YOU AGAIN ENTER INTO THE MENTION OF THE MIND OF CHRIST WHICH IS THE GOSPEL!!!! (rejoice all ye of heaven, Christ has been merciful, and the mercies have long suffered. The living god has given his son for crucifician.) ]]> Unorthodox Theology yeshuachrist http://www.christianforums.com/t7414930/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7414478/ Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:58:36 GMT What can separate humans from the love of the Father? Matthew 23:9. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Isaiah 45:9. Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay... What can separate humans from the love of the Father?

Matthew 23:9. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Isaiah 45:9. Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? 10. Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth? 11. Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12. I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Isaiah 46:3. Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel,

(1) which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb:

4. And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you:

(2) I have made, and

(3) I will bear; even

(4) I will carry,

(5) and will deliver you.

Can sin separate men from the love of our Creator-Father?

Can demonic possession cause God to lose love for His sons and daughters?

Can worship of false God’s do it?

Can demon worship do it?

Can belief in a non-Christian religion do it?

Can atheism and agnosticism separate men from God’s love?

What about involvement with abortions?

Can mass murderers be separated from God’s love?

Can being a drug addict cause God to turn on His victimized children?

Can not knowing God make Him disregard those children?

Can your church affiliation make God turn against His offspring?

What about the salvation doctrines men teach in the churches?

What if men do not believe God? Answer: Romans 3:3.



Now the Holy Spirit concurs with the Father through Paul.


Romans 8:37. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39. Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


God’s chosen “Savior” agrees with The Father and the Holy Spirit.


John 1:29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 12:32. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

John 10:28. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30. I and my Father are one. 31. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

1 John 5:7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


Conclusion

Nothing can separate us from the love of the Creator-Father exemplified in Christ Jesus!

Can you say, “Amen”?!


John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc. :thumbsup::amen::clap: ]]> Unorthodox Theology goodnewsinc http://www.christianforums.com/t7414478/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7414246/ Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:07:12 GMT The Everlasting Gospel What is it? It is GOOD NEWS that mankind are offspring of the Father. In fact they are “cells” of his living body shaped with a head, torso, arms and legs. They cannot perish because IMMORTALTY of the spirit is a DNA heritage from the Father. As such the living... The Everlasting Gospel

What is it? It is GOOD NEWS that mankind are offspring of the Father. In fact they are “cells” of his living body shaped with a head, torso, arms and legs. They cannot perish because IMMORTALTY of the spirit is a DNA heritage from the Father. As such the living spirits of men are EVERLASTING. The “everlasting gospel” is that message EXACTLY! The doctrines of men in the churches that mankind will burn in hellfire with devils are LIES. Only the sons and daughters of devils, namely their demonic “images”, will burn and cease to exist with Lucifer and Babylon! As the Father is so are His children. Our spirits have ETERNAL LIFE from conception. And the spirit is the real YOU stuck in a clay envelope. Some men have the attitude of Esau and despise their birthright!

The GOOD NEWS that men cannot perish with devils but they have inherent eternal life as spirits is on the Internet right now and is available to the whole world via cyberspace!

Revelation 14:6. And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7. Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8. And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Isaiah 40:1. Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God. 2. Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned (Lamb FIXED this on a cross about 2000 years ago, John 1:29) : for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.

1 Timothy 4:9. This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. 10. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 11. These things command and teach.

Matthew 24:14. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Do you have a spiritual clock? What time is it?


John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc. :thumbsup::amen::clap: ]]> Unorthodox Theology goodnewsinc http://www.christianforums.com/t7414246/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7414243/ Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:47:30 GMT In one of my many discussions of John 1:1, the topic of John 10:34 came up. Here's the immediate context:

• 33. "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." 34. Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? 35. If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken-- 36. what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?

Here's the greek:
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineI...Tpdf/joh10.pdf


Notice when Jesus quoted the law calling humans "Gods" he used the term "theoi" with no definite article, as a nominative predicate noun. Similarly, in John 1:1c, "theos en ho logos" uses the term "theos" in "the word was theos" is also a nominative predicate noun with no definite article (although the subject here is singular, so they use the singular "theos" instead of the plural "theoi")

So... Is there a correlation? As many consider John 1:1 to suggest that Jesus literally was the God with whom he was... are these two grammatically identical phrases, identical in meaning? Do most people consider John 10:34 to be stating that these humans literally were part of the godhead? Or, how do you guys interpret what was being stated at John 10:34? ]]> Unorthodox Theology The Gregorian http://www.christianforums.com/t7414243/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7413908/ Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:06:20 GMT I was reading the scriptures and came across the statement that Jesus bought us.

1Cr 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

So how in the world do we become UNBOUGHT, does Jesus return some of us and get His sacrifice back?

Just a thought.

Kat ]]> Unorthodox Theology katallasso http://www.christianforums.com/t7413908/ http://www.christianforums.com/t7412492/ Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:28:36 GMT YouTube - The Truth About The Trinity ]]> Unorthodox Theology OpenDoor http://www.christianforums.com/t7412492/