My Replies to Ben Johnson's 15 points of works

As I've stated already my major contention with you isn't how you come to grace - but instead it's how you are supposed to keep it. The proof text verses do not even address the point at hand - namely that you have to maintain your salvation through merit/works.

But since you did see fit to list some verses let's take a look at them and see how grace is in fact maintained and upheld by...

Behe's Boy

Originally Posted by Ben johnson

3. Salvation is "being IN CHRIST" (2Cor5:17), and Christ dwelling in him. 1Jn4:16

Since the proof text verses in this point don't really address the doctrine of election I will put the focus on the argument that these verses demonstrate responsible grace.

I have made the assertion that responsible grace is nothing more than a fancy form of works-based salvation.

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Behe's Boy

Originally Posted by Ben johnson

2. All who believe Jesus, and receive Him (as Savior and Lord/master), are saved. Jn6:40

One reason I hit on points 11-15 first is because they most directly speak to the argument of "responsible grace" but this point has no bearing on the argument at hand and is in and of itself irrelevant to this conversation.

This point offers no support whatsoever to the erroneous...

Behe's Boy

Originally Posted by Ben johnson

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You're clearly contending that a man's works form the basis for his remaining saved.

Do you still not see a problem with that?

Look, if you're going to participate in these discussions, you gotta stop doing that. In Post 298 I very clearly demonstrated I am NOT pushing ANY kind of "works salvation". I don't blame you for ignoring the post; not only does it

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Behe's Boy

Originally Posted by Ben johnson

15. Our very reconciliation conditions on our "continuing in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and NOT being moved away from (Jesus) the Hope of the Gospel." Col1:21-23 is very clear. Equal "if" verses are 2Pet3:17, and Heb3:6, and Heb3:14. They all say the same.

This point only proves the hypocracy or self-delusion of your position. You state that you...

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