Texas Man Files Legal Action Against Partner for Out-of-State Abortion

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If he didn't want the child, he would not be trying to save the child
That is faulty logic. He could easily be uninterested in the baby and exclusively interested in hurting his expartner. And yes that absolutely is a very real possibility.


Sure is...

His wife was trying to abort a person in their 80"s????
Well how old was it?.
 
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Are we still confused as to why the birth rate is dropping and why women are increasingly single by choice?
IF they chose to have consensual sex, that's on them. They can't scream and say "oh but I accidentally got pregnant" blah blah blah. Adults take responsibility for their actions.
 
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That is faulty logic. He could easily be uninterested in the baby and exclusively interested in hurting his expartner. And yes that absolutely is a very real possibility.
So is driving off a cliff
Well how old was it?.
Considering the child was still young n the womb, certainly not 80-89 years old.
 
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He’s not trying to save a child. He’s trying to control and punish his ex for getting a legal procedure. The deed is already done.
Murder (of any kind) ... "the deed is already done" .... does that mean the perpetrator(s) should not be brought to justice because the deed is already done? Of course not. "legal procedure" ??? states have different laws regarding that ... it can be legal or illegal depending on a states laws on the matter (like it or not).

If people are irresponsible and have sex without using contraceptives .. then it is likely the beginning of human life will result.

Be responsible ... if you don't want a child don't engage in unprotected sex. I would say ... if one willfully engages in unprotected sex then by default you/they are OK with producing a child and by default have consented to the likelihood of producing offspring.

The unborn are the most vulnerable among us and their life should be protected and not disposed of because of human irresponsibility.

Most adolescents in the United States receive some form of sex education at school at least once between grades 6 and 12; many schools begin addressing some topics as early as grades 4 or 5. So how reproduction occurs is understood at a very early age.

Take responsibility and most times these issues will not need to be addressed.
 
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legal procedure" ??? states have different laws regarding that ... it can be legal or illegal depending on a states laws on the matter (like it or not).
It was legal where it took place.
 
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Murder (of any kind) ... "the deed is already done" .... does that mean the perpetrator(s) should not be brought to justice because the deed is already done? Of course not. "legal procedure" ??? states have different laws regarding that ... it can be legal or illegal depending on a states laws on the matter (like it or not).

If people are irresponsible and have sex without using contraceptives .. then it is likely the beginning of human life will result.

Be responsible ... if you don't want a child don't engage in unprotected sex. I would say ... if one willfully engages in unprotected sex then by default you/they are OK with producing a child and by default have consented to the likelihood of producing offspring.
You don't know the circumstances of this pregnancy though, do you?


The unborn are the most vulnerable among us and their life should be protected and not disposed of because of human irresponsibility.
What? No they're not. Young children between the ages of birth and 4 are the most vulnerable and should be protected. Currently, 30% of pregnancies end early naturally. Can't protect those.

And why put effort into protecting something that you LITERALLY could not care less about inside of a calendar year?
If pro-life folks believed in more actual pro-living policies, I feel like I could at least entertain the argument of "protecting fetuses".


Most adolescents in the United States receive some form of sex education at school at least once between grades 6 and 12; many schools begin addressing some topics as early as grades 4 or 5. So how reproduction occurs is understood at a very early age.
In my jurisdiction, kids are able to be excused from sex ed....and some feel "parents have the responsibility" to share that info and don't.
 
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You don't know the circumstances of this pregnancy though, do you?



What? No they're not. Young children between the ages of birth and 4 are the most vulnerable and should be protected. Currently, 30% of pregnancies end early naturally. Can't protect those.

And why put effort into protecting something that you LITERALLY could not care less about inside of a calendar year?
If pro-life folks believed in more actual pro-living policies, I feel like I could at least entertain the argument of "protecting fetuses".



In my jurisdiction, kids are able to be excused from sex ed....and some feel "parents have the responsibility" to share that info and don't.
Most unintended pregnancies result from not using contraception or from not using it consistently or correctly. This should be taught early and consistently in the education system.

In this mans case ... if it is being considered to being litigated ... then one can conclude there appears to be "legal cause" to do so. If there is not a case then it won't be litigated ... or perhaps it may be dropped for other reasons. Guess we will have to wait and see if and how this plays out.
 
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Most unintended pregnancies result from not using contraception or from not using it consistently or correctly. This should be taught early and consistently in the education system.
Agreed. Unfortunately many religious people object to these items being taught.
In this mans case ... if it is being considered to being litigated ... then one can conclude there appears to be "legal cause" to do so. If there is not a case then it won't be litigated ... or perhaps it may be dropped for other reasons. Guess we will have to wait and see if and how this plays out.
 
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Most unintended pregnancies result from not using contraception or from not using it consistently or correctly. This should be taught early and consistently in the education system.

In this mans case ... if it is being considered to being litigated ... then one can conclude there appears to be "legal cause" to do so. If there is not a case then it won't be litigated ... or perhaps it may be dropped for other reasons. Guess we will have to wait and see if and how this plays out.
I think that's the problem with the law. It doesn't actually matter whether the father wants the child. IIRC The law is written so that the mother can be sued.

Period.
 
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IF they chose to have consensual sex, that's on them. They can't scream and say "oh but I accidentally got pregnant" blah blah blah. Adults take responsibility for their actions.
Does that justify being harassed by a controlling ex? Which was my point. Women would rather be single than risk finding themselves in a relationship with a man who would behave in this way.
 
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Murder (of any kind) ... "the deed is already done" .... does that mean the perpetrator(s) should not be brought to justice because the deed is already done? Of course not. "legal procedure" ??? states have different laws regarding that ... it can be legal or illegal depending on a states laws on the matter (like it or not).

If people are irresponsible and have sex without using contraceptives .. then it is likely the beginning of human life will result.

Be responsible ... if you don't want a child don't engage in unprotected sex. I would say ... if one willfully engages in unprotected sex then by default you/they are OK with producing a child and by default have consented to the likelihood of producing offspring.

The unborn are the most vulnerable among us and their life should be protected and not disposed of because of human irresponsibility.

Most adolescents in the United States receive some form of sex education at school at least once between grades 6 and 12; many schools begin addressing some topics as early as grades 4 or 5. So how reproduction occurs is understood at a very early age.

Take responsibility and most times these issues will not need to be addressed.
She did what she felt she needed to do in a state where the procedure is legal. What he is doing is harassment via the civil court system.
 
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I just want to give this woman a hug… I’ve been there with an ex or two who would do ANYTHING to force contact after the breakup. This is just another way it can be exploited to lock women into abusive dynamics after they get away. I bet she deeply regrets telling him. I wonder if she can get around the charges by claiming she’s ultimately unsure of the child’s paternity, which is what other women are doing to escape these things.
 
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Does that justify being harassed by a controlling ex? Which was my point. Women would rather be single than risk finding themselves in a relationship with a man who would behave in this way.
Of course not.
 
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She did what she felt she needed to do in a state where the procedure is legal. What he is doing is harassment via the civil court system.
well ... it would seem ... if it was legal in her state then he wouldn't have a case. ???
 
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well ... it would seem ... if it was legal in her state then he wouldn't have a case. ???
The whole point is trying to find a way to punish her in Texas for actions that didn’t happen in Texas.
 
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The whole point is trying to find a way to punish her in Texas for actions that didn’t happen in Texas.
And as somebody who worked in law enforcement, I can tell you that it’s not at all an uncommon tactic of abusive exes suing their former partner for things that are blatantly and demonstrably idiotic. Not only is it the whole “bad attention is better than no attention” theory, and a means to penalize and get revenge against the victim, but it also serves as a means to get information on them. Addresses, employer names, if they are dating again, work schedules… All sorts of stuff.

I remember a guy who sued his ex for trimming a tree in the yard. Not cutting it down. Not trimming it in a way that was damaging. Not trimming it in a way that wasn’t aesthetically pleasing. Simply trimming it. Why? Because he wanted to compel her to answer if she was dating anybody under the guise of “could your boyfriend have trimmed the tree?” and discover her work schedule. And it worked.
 
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