God never changes. We do. This is Christ's Law

HopeSings · May 18, 2024

What law did Adam and Eve obey? What law did Noah obey? We might conclude that they obeyed what Jesus and his apostles command us because God never changes

What is Jesus law in my opinion?

Its this:

Avoid sexual immorality and foolishness like drunkenness. I'm not saying alcoholism is sin necesarily but acting like a fool is. Being drunk should be avoided obviously but I don't judge alcoholism. I leave it up to God.

We also don't want wealth or luxury but simplicity. We don't look to politics for help but to God. We endure all manner of hardship. We are honest in everything.

We don't judge or condemn. We forgive. We avoid all division, bitterness, clamor, debate, factions, slander, gossip, government rebellion, suspicions, conspiracy theories, hate, hypocrisy, pride, and vanity.

We treat others how Jesus treated us and how we want treated. That's love. We pray for each other and keep our eyes guarded from sin that we stumble by. We guard our words as well. We help widows and orphans.

That's pretty much it. There are other things I suppose but that's it in a nutshell. That's my church in my heart. Im not perfect but I hope to be.

RandyPNW · May 19, 2024

HopeSings said:
What law did Adam and Eve obey? What law did Noah obey? We might conclude that they obeyed what Jesus and his apostles command us because God never changes

God's nature doesn't change. But we do. So His methods do change, to adjust in dealing with us. The Law of Moses was very different from the code of conduct Jesus left the Church. There was an act of redemption that needed to be accomplished. The Law preceded it and reflected that. The Gospel code followed it, and reflected that.

But even before the Law of Moses, God's word wrote upon the heart of Man the need to reflect His image. Since God is, by nature, loving, we know from our conscience that we should lovingly respond to God's word, as it guides us to be like God.

HopeSings said:
What is Jesus law in my opinion? Its this:
Avoid sexual immorality and foolishness like drunkenness. I'm not saying alcoholism is sin necesarily but acting like a fool is. Being drunk should be avoided obviously but I don't judge alcoholism. I leave it up to God.

Alcoholism is an addiction and the product of capitulation to the pressure to have a high that is in our control. Since it is a form of control, it is wrong--it does not respond to God's word, which would have us to act like Him, who is serving, and not controlling in an abusive way.

HopeSings said:
We also don't want wealth or luxury but simplicity. We don't look to politics for help but to God. We endure all manner of hardship. We are honest in everything.

Rejecting wealth and complexity is not necessarily a virtue. If you are doing this to serve God, it may be a good thing, or not. Many people require a measure of wealth to accomplish what they've been called to do, whether to provide for posterity or to produce a business.

HopeSings said:
We don't judge or condemn. We forgive. We avoid all division, bitterness, clamor, debate, factions, slander, gossip, government rebellion, suspicions, conspiracy theories, hate, hypocrisy, pride, and vanity.

Yes, we should focus on Christ above, who is beside God his Father. That's a good place to remain.

HopeSings said:
We treat others how Jesus treated us and how we want treated. That's love. We pray for each other and keep our eyes guarded from sin that we stumble by. We guard our words as well. We help widows and orphans.

That's pretty much it. There are other things I suppose but that's it in a nutshell. That's my church in my heart. Im not perfect but I hope to be.

Church is meeting with other Christians. Church is a society, a fellowship. And because we have a variety of gifts neglecting this fellowship can be a loss.

We are not here to avoid problems but to speak to them, to deal with them. In this way we show how God Himself deals with the problems of this world.

HopeSings · May 19, 2024

RandyPNW said:
God's nature doesn't change. But we do. So His methods do change, to adjust in dealing with us. The Law of Moses was very different from the code of conduct Jesus left the Church. There was an act of redemption that needed to be accomplished. The Law preceded it and reflected that. The Gospel code followed it, and reflected that.

But even before the Law of Moses, God's word wrote upon the heart of Man the need to reflect His image. Since God is, by nature, loving, we know from our conscience that we should lovingly respond to God's word, as it guides us to be like God.

Alcoholism is an addiction and the product of capitulation to the pressure to have a high that is in our control. Since it is a form of control, it is wrong--it does not respond to God's word, which would have us to act like Him, who is serving, and not controlling in an abusive way.

Rejecting wealth and complexity is not necessarily a virtue. If you are doing this to serve God, it may be a good thing, or not. Many people require a measure of wealth to accomplish what they've been called to do, whether to provide for posterity or to produce a business.

Yes, we should focus on Christ above, who is beside God his Father. That's a good place to remain.

Church is meeting with other Christians. Church is a society, a fellowship. And because we have a variety of gifts neglecting this fellowship can be a loss.

We are not here to avoid problems but to speak to them, to deal with them. In this way we show how God Himself deals with the problems of this world.

In these last days the church is apostate. Scripture prophesied it. I wouldn't be judging me friend but instead judge yourself and the church. I have a judge already. I have no political division and i have no religious division against God. Politics is division against God in my understanding. You heed to preach to your church and not me, my friend.

HopeSings · May 19, 2024

RandyPNW said:
God's nature doesn't change. But we do. So His methods do change, to adjust in dealing with us. The Law of Moses was very different from the code of conduct Jesus left the Church. There was an act of redemption that needed to be accomplished. The Law preceded it and reflected that. The Gospel code followed it, and reflected that.

But even before the Law of Moses, God's word wrote upon the heart of Man the need to reflect His image. Since God is, by nature, loving, we know from our conscience that we should lovingly respond to God's word, as it guides us to be like God.

Alcoholism is an addiction and the product of capitulation to the pressure to have a high that is in our control. Since it is a form of control, it is wrong--it does not respond to God's word, which would have us to act like Him, who is serving, and not controlling in an abusive way.

Rejecting wealth and complexity is not necessarily a virtue. If you are doing this to serve God, it may be a good thing, or not. Many people require a measure of wealth to accomplish what they've been called to do, whether to provide for posterity or to produce a business.

Yes, we should focus on Christ above, who is beside God his Father. That's a good place to remain.

Church is meeting with other Christians. Church is a society, a fellowship. And because we have a variety of gifts neglecting this fellowship can be a loss.

We are not here to avoid problems but to speak to them, to deal with them. In this way we show how God Himself deals with the problems of this world.

Are you suggesting that it's ok for a man to be wealthy but he's a sinner if he has the disease of alcoholism?

RandyPNW · May 19, 2024

HopeSings said:
In these last days the church is apostate. Scripture prophesied it. I wouldn't be judging me friend but instead judge yourself and the church. I have a judge already. I have no political division and i have no religious division against God. Politics is division against God in my understanding. You heed to preach to your church and not me, my friend.

I share what I believe. If you don't like it, don't spend time here. This forum encourages the sharing of opinions, particularly Christian ones.

RandyPNW · May 19, 2024

HopeSings said:
Are you suggesting that it's ok for a man to be wealthy but he's a sinner if he has the disease of alcoholism?

Yes, it's okay to be wealth if that's your calling and you use money properly. Everybody is a sinner of one sort or another, of one degree or another. Alcoholism involves the sin of over-indulgence. And it leads to carelessness, which is also a sin. I'm not judging the degree to which God deems it "evil." God knows the heart of each one, as well as the circumstances that lead up to the addiction.

HopeSings · May 19, 2024

RandyPNW said:
I share what I believe. If you don't like it, don't spend time here. This forum encourages the sharing of opinions, particularly Christian ones.

Take your own advice friend.

RandyPNW · May 19, 2024

HopeSings said:
Take your own advice friend.

Take my own advice? You're not giving me an opinion. You're telling me to go "preach elsewhere."

HopeSings · May 19, 2024

RandyPNW said:
Take my own advice? You're not giving me an opinion. You're telling me to go "preach elsewhere."

I thought I was saying to stop preaching division because division is unholy

HopeSings · May 19, 2024

RandyPNW said:
Take my own advice? You're not giving me an opinion. You're telling me to go "preach elsewhere."

It's not OK to live in wealth and luxury. Jesus and Paul said so.

HopeSings · May 19, 2024

Jeremiah 9:23 Thus says the Lord:

“Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom,
Let not the mighty man glory in his might,
Nor let the rich man glory in his riches;

RandyPNW · May 19, 2024

HopeSings said:
It's not OK to live in wealth and luxury. Jesus and Paul said so.

Quotes please?

Clare73 · May 20, 2024

HopeSings said:
What law did Adam and Eve obey? What law did Noah obey? We might conclude that they obeyed what Jesus and his apostles command us because God never changes
What is Jesus law in my opinion?
Its this:

Avoid sexual immorality and foolishness like drunkenness. I'm not saying alcoholism is sin necesarily but acting like a fool is. Being drunk should be avoided obviously but I don't judge alcoholism. I leave it up to God.
We also don't want wealth or luxury but simplicity. We don't look to politics for help but to God. We endure all manner of hardship. We are honest in everything.
We don't judge or condemn.

Keeping in mind that we are to judge:
1) open sin in the body (1 Co 5:1, 12-13, Gal 6:1),
2) doctrine (Ac 17:11, 1 Th 5:21),
3) disagreement between believers (Mt 18:15),
4) ourselves (1 Co 11:31) - which is not a part of judging others,
5) rightly, by actions (Jn 7:24).

God never changes. We do. This is Christ's Law

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