Biden calls Japan & India Xenophobic in same group as China & Russia

GoldenBoy89 · May 7, 2024

xen·o·pho·bi·a
noun

dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

We’ve got a few examples in this thread that seem to fit this definition.

Laodicean60 · May 7, 2024

SMTA said:
Those nations are xenophobic.
Biden is honest and correct

Why does America have to worry about Asia, don't we have enough problems at home? No wonder countries are leaving our influence in droves, tired of being bullied into doing what we want. Call them xenophobic it's their culture maybe they see America from the outside and don't want to be like us, a bunch of lunatics. India would have been a good ally against China.

Adam56 · May 7, 2024

Maria Billingsley said:
Though the word " xenophobic " may not have been the best choice, after some research it is absolutely true. Japan is on a point system, 80 or over qualifies a person to get citizenship ( I rated 20) , there is an online calculator. As far as Inda, they excluded Muslims in their new citizenship law. That is pretty xenophobic IMHO.

Islamophobic and xenophobic aren’t synonymous.

IceJad · May 7, 2024

Maria Billingsley said:
Thanks for sharing. My entire family comes from Cuba. One by one my mother and father brought them over. They all seeked asylum from a communist country. Here is their contibution:

Carlos- Horse trainer
Edgar- Postal worker
Delphina- Manicurist
Josephina- Las Vegas Hotel maid
Eli-Economist
Vitico-Elderly care worker
Nurka- Special needs care provider
Camilla- Wine maker
Isabella- College student

They were all US citizens within a couple of years. None of them had jobs waiting, good credit or had extraordinary resumes.

Firstly let me congratulate your family in escaping communism. It's a nightmare to live under one. My great grandparent from my maternal side did so too. She and her son escaped communist China with little to their name save what they could carry. They rebuilt their lives here in Malaysia or Malaya (Persekutuan Tanah Melayu) as it was known back then.

Now back to present time. My friend's story didn't just end with successfully migrating to the US. There is more since we are talking about US' immigration policies. For the first few years the US government made his life stressful. You see the job his company has for him was continually being scrutinized by the government. They kept asking the company why the position is filled by immigrant and has been putting pressure on the company to replace him with a local. The company did their best to justify his employment and move to the US. He told us how much he feared for his future in the US. How he feared that the entire family will be forced to go back after uprooting themselves from Malaysia. We have God (he being a Christian as well) to thank that everything worked out. Now he is stable in the US.

Then let me tell you another personal story this time my younger cousin who moved to Japan recently. The application was smooth and took little than a few months. She is well educated (Phd) but has not have a stable job yet when applying to go to Japan.

I know of a lot of people who have moved to other countries. I have families and friends that have moved to US, Canada, Sweden, Denmark, UK, Singapore, Australia, Hong Kong and Thailand. I know of the challenges they faced when we meet each other. So I know of a lot of different quirks as I would put it in international immigration. Malaysians are famous for migrating everywhere. We have an issue with brain drain here due to the amount of high value individuals moving away.

Tell me again why my friend faced so much difficulty in a country Joe said was so open to immigrants? An upstanding guy with a stable job, good credit rating, a family and zero criminal records. While my cousin went into Japan with so little trouble.

IceJad · May 7, 2024

Bradskii said:
You do realise that, like us down here, they are all immigrants?

You also realise that the Yamato people (Japanese people) are also immigrant themselves came from the Korean peninsular. The native were the Yayoi people. Then they intermixed. So are we playing the old history game or recent history only?

Like the explanation I gave earlier the position of the US is not because of immigration. It's because of her unchallenged position from WW2 and her ruthless strangling of rising countries like Japan. Just because the people doing the strangling are themselves once immigrants do not validate Joe's statement. It is not the immigrations that made US economy great. It is the tactics. Reality is as it is. The immigrant story is a fairytale to win votes.

Japan is in such a state is partly due the US actions earlier. The US pretty much destroyed Japan's micro processor industry. No amount of immigration to Japan will fix the economy. Japan also faces competition in the form of South Korea and China which trade in similar products and services on top of a sluggish global economy. Now with a weaker Yen maybe Japan can capitalize on exchange rate to boost exports.

By your logic, the power of China rise is due to lack of immigration because 99% of the people are local. But we know it's not the case. It's due to China's opening up, technological transfer from western countries & Japan/Korea, economic policies and number of population. China is having economic issues is partly due to the US engaging with a trade war with them. Blocking them from key technology and placing restriction on their products and services. Whether they deserved it or otherwise is another issue altogether.

Bradskii · May 7, 2024

IceJad said:
You also realise that the Yamato people (Japanese people) are also immigrant themselves came from the Korean peninsular. The native were the Yayoi people. Then they intermixed. So are we playing the old history game or recent history only?

As the US and Australia have only been existence in their current state for a couple of hundred years, then yeah...fairly recently.

IceJad said:
By your logic, the power of China rise is due to lack of immigration because 99% of the people are local.

That's definitely not my logic. One country benefiting from immigration does not mean that another with less immigrants will do worse. I think it's called affirming the consequent. As in a dog is an animal with 4 legs. But an animal with 4 legs isn't necessarily a dog.

IceJad · May 7, 2024

Bradskii said:
As the US and Australia have only been existence in their current state for a couple of hundred years, then yeah...fairly recently.

That's definitely not my logic. One country benefiting from immigration does not mean that another with less immigrants will do worse. I think it's called affirming the consequent. As in a dog is an animal with 4 legs. But an animal with 4 legs isn't necessarily a dog.

I know that, but this thread is about Joe's tying of xenophobic to economic issues remarks. He's clearly in the wrong.

Bradskii · May 8, 2024

IceJad said:
I know that...

Then why ask?

Here's something to ponder. Take everyone out of the USA who was born overseas. You lose nearly 15% of their citizens. The economy would collapse. Try it with China, Russia or India and tell me what the result would be.

Pommer · May 8, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
Why does America have to worry about Asia, don't we have enough problems at home? No wonder countries are leaving our influence in droves, tired of being bullied into doing what we want. Call them xenophobic it's their culture maybe they see America from the outside and don't want to be like us, a bunch of lunatics. India would have been a good ally against China.

Why should U.S. Americans worry about how we’ve treated an area that has a 6-fold population “surplus”?

That we’re roughly 5% of the Earth’s population consuming about 35% of the resources shouldn’t be taken as “the natural order of things” but a brief sojourn into being a bully-nation.
We’re the 21st century’s Britain.

Maria Billingsley · May 8, 2024

IceJad said:
Firstly let me congratulate your family in escaping communism. It's a nightmare to live under one. My great grandparent from my maternal side did so too. She and her son escaped communist China with little to their name save what they could carry. They rebuilt their lives here in Malaysia or Malaya (Persekutuan Tanah Melayu) as it was known back then.

Now back to present time. My friend's story didn't just end with successfully migrating to the US. There is more since we are talking about US' immigration policies. For the first few years the US government made his life stressful. You see the job his company has for him was continually being scrutinized by the government. They kept asking the company why the position is filled by immigrant and has been putting pressure on the company to replace him with a local. The company did their best to justify his employment and move to the US. He told us how much he feared for his future in the US. How he feared that the entire family will be forced to go back after uprooting themselves from Malaysia. We have God (he being a Christian as well) to thank that everything worked out. Now he is stable in the US.

Then let me tell you another personal story this time my younger cousin who moved to Japan recently. The application was smooth and took little than a few months. She is well educated (Phd) but has not have a stable job yet when applying to go to Japan.

I know of a lot of people who have moved to other countries. I have families and friends that have moved to US, Canada, Sweden, Denmark, UK, Singapore, Australia, Hong Kong and Thailand. I know of the challenges they faced when we meet each other. So I know of a lot of different quirks as I would put it in international immigration. Malaysians are famous for migrating everywhere. We have an issue with brain drain here due to the amount of high value individuals moving away.

Tell me again why my friend faced so much difficulty in a country Joe said was so open to immigrants? An upstanding guy with a stable job, good credit rating, a family and zero criminal records. While my cousin went into Japan with so little trouble.

The reason your friend had some difficulty is because his sponsor was his employer.

"PERM regulations require a sponsoring employer to test the U.S. labor market through various recruitment methods for “able, willing, qualified, and available” U.S. workers."

This is the law not Biden.

All of my family members were sponsored by my parents.

SMTA · May 8, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
Why does America have to worry about Asia, don't we have enough problems at home? No wonder countries are leaving our influence in droves, tired of being bullied into doing what we want. Call them xenophobic it's their culture maybe they see America from the outside and don't want to be like us, a bunch of lunatics. India would have been a good ally against China.

Look up the definition of xenophobic.
Those countries are exactly that.
Like it or not, that is the reality.

Laodicean60 · May 8, 2024

SMTA said:
Look up the definition of xenophobic.
Those countries are exactly that.
Like it or not, that is the reality.

I did and true. We've known this about some countries for years why bring it up now? Why make it our business? Why call them out? Maybe they don't want to be like us. They'll figure it out on their own or disappear and we can come in there and make Japan a state.

SMTA · May 11, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
I did and true. We've known this about some countries for years why bring it up now? Why make it our business? Why call them out? Maybe they don't want to be like us. They'll figure it out on their own or disappear and we can come in there and make Japan a state.

Wrong.
No understanding of other cultures noted.

IceJad · Monday at 2:51 AM

Maria Billingsley said:
The reason your friend had some difficulty is because his sponsor was his employer.

"PERM regulations require a sponsoring employer to test the U.S. labor market through various recruitment methods for “able, willing, qualified, and available” U.S. workers."

This is the law not Biden.

All of my family members were sponsored by my parents.

Immigration is not only about the policies for entry and exit. It encompasses all aspects of the immigrant. The fact that my friend had to undergo such difficulty indicates that the US is not as immigrant friendly as one would espouse. The standards that was put unto my friend was in all matrix unfair compared to many others who came illegally. He was rejected for years while others just walked (or swam) over the borders. Even when he is in he is constantly subjected to being replaced while illegals are protected from being deported. He followed all the instructions and see what that got him? While others break all the laws and see what they gained.

So If you're here to say Japan is unreasonable in their standards, I would strongly beg to differ. An emphasis on strongly. My cousin is a prove of it. In fact for a Malaysian it is easier to immigrate to Singapore than the US. Less requirements and less paperwork. In comparison Singapore has the better immigration policy and also the higher proportions of immigrants to local. And they have better working conditions too. Thailand also have you guys bet in terms of immigration policies. Two of my friends work there and their applications were not as miserable as my friend who chose America.

Overview

Singapore’s total population stood at 5.92 million as at June 2023 (Diagram 1), a 5.0 per cent increase from June...

www.population.gov.sg

Do you see or hear Singapore leaders talking like Joe and calling other nations xenophobic? And if statistics are a measure. America is quite xenophobic by looking at the immigrants per capital.

IceJad · Monday at 3:05 AM

Bradskii said:
Then why ask?

Here's something to ponder. Take everyone out of the USA who was born overseas. You lose nearly 15% of their citizens. The economy would collapse. Try it with China, Russia or India and tell me what the result would be.

I was not so much asking as proving a fact. Fact that Joe's talking points are moot. Immigration is not what makes the US economy strong. Neither is Japan's issue stems from immigration issues.

You were the one who tried to run defense for Joe by downplaying his FUBAR (fouled up beyond any recognition). You deemphasize his xenophobic remarks of other nations and redefine his statements to reflect the general US traditions of being a nation built by immigrants. I for one will not be so gracious. He is not getting of the hook so easily.

I have had enough of what I term "American Exceptionalism". Where America sets the standards for other while not applying it to themselves. America's mistakes always have an asterisk next to it. There is always some foot note and defense for it.

Joe ran his mouth and he gets lambasted for it. And I for one am ready for Trump to take over again. And if Trump does the same then next candidate.

Bradskii · Monday at 4:17 AM

IceJad said:
I was not so much asking as proving a fact. Fact that Joe's talking points are moot. Immigration is not what makes the US economy strong.

It's what made the economy what it is. As I said, apart from some people living on bits of land granted to them that they used to own, everyone in the US is either an immigrant or born of immigrants.

IceJad said:
You were the one who tried to run defense for Joe by downplaying his FUBAR (fouled up beyond any recognition).

I already called that out. It wasn't a smart think to say. So he gets an irate response from a couple of ambassadors. All things considered, that's small potatoes. What would you prefer? Calling a country xenophobic or a **** hole? Seems like you'd give whoever said the latter a pass but not the former?

Estrid · Monday at 6:18 AM

SMTA said:
Those nations are xenophobic.
Biden is honest and correct.

Blessed are the name callers, for they
shall bring peace and understanding.

durangodawood · Monday at 8:24 AM

IceJad said:
....
Joe ran his mouth and he gets lambasted for it. And I for one am ready for Trump to take over again. And if Trump does the same then next candidate.

But Trump already did that. Lots of that. He's proven to have failed your standard. Maybe RFK Jr is your man?

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