Abortion poll

Abortion or no?


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Statistically you’re more likely to get struck by lightning than attacked by a shark, until you get in the water. Same thing applies to the woods. The chances of a bear attack go up when you are in their territory.
Still women are wise to avoid strangers and some men they know. I don’t understand men who can harm women. When I was in patrol I arrested more people for domestic violence than anything else. I could never treat anyone like that, especially someone I’m supposed to care about
I am not suggesting you are dangerous. However, should I ever cross paths with you, I would be on guard, as you would of course be a stranger. The point is simply that a bears’s behavior is fairly predictable and encounters usually end with the bear taking off. With men, a miscalculation could have us tied up in a basement awaiting something far worse than a bear attack.
 
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I would never expect that paying for a woman’s meal, drinks and whatever else we did entitled me to anything more than the pleasure of her company.
Anyone who thinks a woman owes them something for a date is not only wrong they are ignorant.
I didn’t know that you were the spokesperson for all women though and know their experiences, likes and dislikes.
I still don’t know what pick the bear means and if you didn’t find my comment funny, no problem, it wasn’t intended for you
If that’s what you truly believe, then thinking it would be a funny joke, then defending joking about it, then insulting the person who’s explaining to you why it’s not funny to an overwhelming majority of women, is a truly baffling choice.
 
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I understand but I’m saying the statistics are misleading. You’re more likely to be harmed by a man until you go in the woods.
As somebody who lives in the woods, grew up in the woods, uses trails in the woods daily, and runs on a rail trail through the woods, let me tell you, I’ve seen both numerous bears (two already this year since trails opened in April) and strange men in the woods.

The number of times I’ve been flashed, stumbled upon somebody gratifying themselves, been cat-called, had somebody turn around to run behind or with me, or act in a way where I had to ensure I was safe by changing my route was so frequent that I now only go with my husband. And it wasn’t bears causing the issues. I don’t live in a high crime area, either.

Every bear I’ve seen sees me, then runs, excluding maybe 5% of them who just watch you, but then run off after I clap, yell, jump up and down, and wave my hands.

A quick search shows me that on the whole trail system, since 2005 there have been 6 women murdered and last year 78 reports of indecent behavior, and it looks like two rapes with a few more attempted rapes. However, there was one bear attack on the trail system, 3 others elsewhere in 10 years, and the last time a bear killed anybody anywhere in our state was 150 years ago.

And, frankly, a bear knows when it is being problematic. As we just saw, some men lack that self awareness.

I think all of this goes to illustrate the disconnect that exists for a lot of people with what women experience. Women say they experience things only to be told, no, you don’t or better yet, if they do experience it, that it’s not a big deal. It highlights why one group shouldn’t be jumping in to tell another group how they must live their lives, what medical procedures they can’t get, and what experiences they are and aren’t allowed to have a comment on.
 
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If that’s what you truly believe, then thinking it would be a funny joke, then defending joking about it, then insulting the person who’s explaining to you why it’s not funny to an overwhelming majority of women, is a truly baffling choice.
No insult was intended I just didn’t think you could speak for all women. I would never say what I posted to a woman, it was a comment intended for Belk and would have been better left unsaid.
I see from your other post you have quite a bit of experience in woods, with bears, and with creepy men.
I’m sorry that was your experience, all men are not like that. You have a husband so you must have found at least one good man.
 
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The life of the mother?
That would not be an abortion.

Delivering a child early because the mother is having complications - which may or may not lead to the child's death - is not the same as intentionally poisoning/dismembering a child in order to murder them.
 
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That would not be an abortion.

Delivering a child early because the mother is having complications - which may or may not lead to the child's death - is not the same as intentionally poisoning/dismembering a child in order to murder them.
I think there are conditions where an abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother
 
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I think there are conditions where an abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother
It would not be an abortion.

They would be delivering the child early.

They are not the same thing.
 
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It would not be an abortion.

They would be delivering the child early.

They are not the same thing.
You‘re playing a semantics game. If a pregnancy is intentionally terminated prior to viability it is always an abortion. As far as the medical community is concerned, miscarriages are also termed spontaneous abortion.
 
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You‘re playing a semantics game. If a pregnancy is intentionally terminated prior to viability it is always an abortion. As far as the medical community is concerned, miscarriages are also termed spontaneous abortion.
I understand the medical community's need to define a miscarriage as a "spontaneous abortion" - but that makes no logical or medical sense.

That designation is more political than it is medical.

Your argument would be akin to claiming that all killings are murder - regardless of any circumstances.

A woman who gets chemotherapy while she is pregnant is not "aborting" her child.

An abortion is the intentional termination of a pregnancy - not the unintended or unwanted result of a medical procedure.
 
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I understand the medical community's need to define a miscarriage as a "spontaneous abortion" - but that makes no logical or medical sense.

That designation is more political than it is medical.

Your argument would be akin to claiming that all killings are murder - regardless of any circumstances.

A woman who gets chemotherapy while she is pregnant is not "aborting" her child.

An abortion is the intentional termination of a pregnancy - not the unintended or unwanted result of a medical procedure.
If a fetus dies during chemotherapy, that would be deemed a miscarriage or still birth. However, no cancer treatment facility would even consider chemotherapy on a pregnant woman, so she would choose not treat until after delivery or choose to abort.

Inducing labor prior to viability is an abortion no matter the reason.

Medical terminology is not political and the term spontaneous abortion is not new.
 
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Zaha Torte

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If a fetus dies during chemotherapy, that would be deemed a miscarriage or still birth. However, no cancer treatment facility would even consider chemotherapy on a pregnant woman, so she would choose not treat until after delivery or choose to abort.

Inducing labor prior to viability is an abortion no matter the reason.

Medical terminology is not political and the term spontaneous abortion is not new.
To be clear - according to what you claimed earlier - you are claiming that a baby that dies in the womb would be considered a "spontaneous abortion" - not a "miscarriage" - right?

All words have meaning, and those meanings can change over time - like the word "abortion".

The word "abortion" - today - refers to the intentional killing of an unborn child.

I hope you can understand - considering all the political nonsense surrounding on-demand abortion and the effect of evil spirits - why a mother who loses her not-yet-born child in the womb might not want that tragedy to be known as an "abortion".

I believe the term "spontaneous expulsion" is more appropriate - and you seem to agree with me - since you used the term "miscarriage" as opposed to "spontaneous abortion" above.

You realize that there is a difference.

I never claimed that the term "spontaneous abortion" was new - only that anyone from the medical community who still insists on using that term to describe a miscarriage is doing so for political reasons.

Evil spirits want us to associate the intentional killing of our not-yet-born children with natural causes - so that the idea will be more palatable to their thralls when they are enticed to offer them up as a Satanic sacrifice.

They want us to believe they are in the same category.

Anyways - I do know that a mother can receive chemotherapy treatments while pregnant - it depends on how far along she is.
 
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To be clear - according to what you claimed earlier - you are claiming that a baby that dies in the womb would be considered a "spontaneous abortion" - not a "miscarriage" - right?

All words have meaning, and those meanings can change over time - like the word "abortion".

The word "abortion" - today - refers to the intentional killing of an unborn child.

I hope you can understand - considering all the political nonsense surrounding on-demand abortion and the effect of evil spirits - why a mother who loses her not-yet-born child in the womb might not want that tragedy to be known as an "abortion".

I believe the term "spontaneous expulsion" is more appropriate - and you seem to agree with me - since you used the term "miscarriage" as opposed to "spontaneous abortion" above.

You realize that there is a difference.

I never claimed that the term "spontaneous abortion" was new - only that anyone from the medical community who still insists on using that term to describe a miscarriage is doing so for political reasons.

Evil spirits want us to associate the intentional killing of our not-yet-born children with natural causes - so that the idea will be more palatable to their thralls when they are enticed to offer them up as a Satanic sacrifice.

They want us to believe they are in the same category.

Anyways - I do know that a mother can receive chemotherapy treatments while pregnant - it depends on how far along she is.
They are the same. A medical record will state spontaneous abortion if a miscarriage occurs and not for political reason but because that is the correct medical terminology.
 
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They are the same. A medical record will state spontaneous abortion if a miscarriage occurs and not for political reason but because that is the correct medical terminology.
They would designate it as such for the same reason they claimed that COVID killed the guy that shot himself in the head.

You used the term "miscarriage" not "spontaneous abortion" - your Freudian Slip shows how you really feel.
 
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They would designate it as such for the same reason they claimed that COVID killed the guy that shot himself in the head.

You used the term "miscarriage" not "spontaneous abortion" - your Freudian Slip shows how you really feel.
Miscarriage is the common term and spontaneous abortion is the medical term. You don’t have to agree but that is the facts. I’m guessing from your posts that you are not in the medical field, however, I am and your arguments just make you look foolish.
 
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Miscarriage is the common term and spontaneous abortion is the medical term. You don’t have to agree but that is the facts. I’m guessing from your posts that you are not in the medical field, however, I am and your arguments just make you look foolish.
I hardly see how that is so. I am not ignoring how the word "abortion" has changed. I am not ignoring how this now loaded term is being used for political purposes.

You are telling me that people in the medical community using "preferred pronouns" - affirming all that nonsense - and are no longer using terms like "mental retardation" - but they draw the line at "abortion"?

Their ever-shifting line in the sand all of a sudden becomes cement?

Politics has invaded every aspect of our lives. My realizing that does not make me look foolish. You denying that however....
 
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I hardly see how that is so. I am not ignoring how the word "abortion" has changed. I am not ignoring how this now loaded term is being used for political purposes.

You are telling me that people in the medical community using "preferred pronouns" - affirming all that nonsense - and are no longer using terms like "mental retardation" - but they draw the line at "abortion"?

Their ever-shifting line in the sand all of a sudden becomes cement?

Politics has invaded every aspect of our lives. My realizing that does not make me look foolish. You denying that however....
How is wanting the term abortion removed from certain diagnoses or procedures any less political?
 
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How is wanting the term abortion removed from certain diagnoses or procedures any less political?
When did I claim that it wasn't?

At least I am aware of the game, its rules and the fact that I am playing.
 
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