Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits

stevil · Feb 24, 2024

truthpls said:
What is special is that by Him dying for us we no longer will ever die but have life everlasting.

Utter nonsense. Everyone that has lived has either already died or will die

truthpls said:
People who value eternal life also value life on earth. People who value God also value the earth because He is gonna fix it.

If we want to save ourselves from wars and global warming, We need to do it. We don't wait for some mythical creature to pop by and save us.

truthpls said:
Otherwise the wicked people would kill off the rest of us or some such.

What happened to hate the sin not the sinner? Wicked people?

truthpls said:
Good thing He promises He is returning again soon to do that Himself.

Soon, LOL
Any moment now?
Blink. Have I missed it?
No, still coming. Soon, soooooooooon,
any moment now.

If Jesus 2.0 is born in Mexico and he is persecuted there and seeks to bring his glory into USA, what will happen when he reaches the border.

truthpls said:
Prove it.

The burdon of proof is on those that proclaim god exists. What evidence is there? No one has seen him, no one has detected him.

BCP1928 · Feb 24, 2024

truthpls said:
You don't find it fishy when a majority gets less votes? If a majority of say, Americans were Christian then there are basics that they would have to agree on.

When that happens, let me know.

essentialsaltes · Feb 24, 2024

essentialsaltes said:
GOP lawmakers and candidates [who are not Nikki Haley] race to distance themselves from Alabama court decision
The [National Republican Senatorial Campaign] also sent a memo to their GOP candidates Friday and obtained by CNN that encourages candidates to “clearly and concisely reject efforts by the government to restrict IVF.” The memo also outlines a recent poll showing the popularity of the procedural even among conservatives.

Meanwhile, in the House...

NB: bill was sent to languish in committee more than a year ago. Nobody expects this to go anywhere -- but 100+ Republicans apparently want it to. (Though many are probably just doing something useless and performative for their pro-life constituents.) It will be interesting to see whether, now that this Alabama ruling has come, future versions of such a bill acknowledge IVF as an exception.

125 House Republicans — including Speaker Mike Johnson — back a 'life at conception' bill without any IVF exception

This Congress, 125 House Republicans — including Speaker Mike Johnson — have cosponsored the "Life at Conception Act," which states that the term [human person and] "human being" includes "all stages of life, including the moment of fertilization, cloning, or other moment at which an individual member of the human species comes into being."

Hans Blaster · Feb 24, 2024

truthpls said:
Yes there is an absolute need. God created man male and female. No confusion about it. God is not the author of confusion.

People who murder do not need to admit or even know they are inspired and motivated by supernatural forces. The bible tells us that Satan and his children are murderers. It was Satan that entered Judas when he went out to arrange Jesus being murdered. It does not matter whether Judas realized as he walked out that door that he was possessed or not.

Speaking words from hell is not something that requires people knowing or admitting they are doing so either. By the fruit we know the tree.

Those who do know. Those who read Scripture. Those who know good from evil.

What doesn't matter is whether you are aware of it or deny it. (not whether it is supernatural or not)

There is no point in my response to your posts given your tenuous grasp of objective reality.

truthpls · Feb 24, 2024

stevil said:
Utter nonsense. Everyone that has lived has either already died or will die

As far as you can see.

stevil said:
If we want to save ourselves from wars and global warming, We need to do it.

No you cannot do it. We need help.

stevil said:
We don't wait for some mythical creature to pop by and save us.

I wait for the Guy who lived right here on earth ans showed He was God to do it as promised. Relying on Al Gore or etc just won't cut the mustard.

stevil said:
What happened to hate the sin not the sinner? Wicked people?

All people are born sinners. Look around if you thought everyone was actually perfect.

stevil said:
Soon, LOL
Any moment now?
Blink. Have I missed it?
No, still coming. Soon, soooooooooon,
any moment now.

Just when we need the Calvary He comes.

stevil said:
If Jesus 2.0 is born in Mexico and he is persecuted there and seeks to bring his glory into USA, what will happen when he reaches the border.

He walks on the river and through the barbed wire and wall of course

stevil said:
The burdon of proof is on those that proclaim god exists.

That is called history. It also is proven in the lives of people. But I think the thread topic is getting lost here. The point is that tinkering with reproduction set up by God is not the best thing.

stevil said:
What evidence is there? No one has seen him, no one has detected him.

Yes, pretty well all believers detect Him and see Him in many ways.

truthpls · Feb 24, 2024

BCP1928 said:
When that happens, let me know.

If the salt has lost it's savor what good is it? If bible believers cannot agree on a few basics like that there is a God and prayer etc, then what good are they?

truthpls · Feb 24, 2024

Hans Blaster said:
There is no point in my response to your posts given your tenuous grasp of objective reality.

There is more to reality than kowtowing to every sin and fad and gross mutilating assault on kids that arises.

Bradskii · Feb 24, 2024

o_mlly said:
I've asked for an argument from science and logic. A legal argument is a deflection and cannot apply (Alabama law withstanding).

You asked for an answer. I have given one. I don't care if someone makes it a law or not. It's my personal opinion. If you don't like it then keep asking other people until you get one with which you agree.

o_mlly said:
Arguably, a child less than, say 3 years old (perhaps even older), cannot live outside the care of others. So, the independent viability of the child cannot be a point at which one obtains their right to life. And those who are on life support at any age do not suspend their right to life. Do you have any other arguments to support that one's obtains their right to life at some point in time after conception?

Did someone say live 'independently'? I didn't. So stop redefining my position, thanks. So the answer is no. I don't have another argument. I'm happy with the one I have given.

Hans Blaster · Feb 24, 2024

truthpls said:
There is more to reality than kowtowing to every sin and fad and gross mutilating assault on kids that arises.

I have no interest in "sin".

Pommer · Feb 24, 2024

Having read the thread, (very nice job by all, BTW!), I have noticed a clear lack of discussion with the hundreds (to thousands) of “persons” currently in literal “cold storage”; what’s to happen to them?

truthpls · Feb 24, 2024

Hans Blaster said:
I have no interest in "sin".

I have no interest in denying sin

BCP1928 · Feb 24, 2024

truthpls said:
If the salt has lost it's savor what good is it? If bible believers cannot agree on a few basics like that there is a God and prayer etc, then what good are they?

Oh, they all agree on that. What else? To be considered a Christian on this forum (for example) one must accept all of the tenets of the NIcene Creed and be a Trinitarian. But none of that is under dispute.

truthpls · Feb 24, 2024

BCP1928 said:
Oh, they all agree on that. What else? To be considered a Christian on this forum (for example) one must accept all of the tenets of the NIcene Creed and be a Trinitarian. But none of that is under dispute.

Great, so if a majority population adopted some of that into it's laws life would be better

BCP1928 · Feb 24, 2024

truthpls said:
Great, so if a majority population adopted some of that into it's laws life would be better

The Creed is a statement of personal belief. It is not clear how it would suggest policy proposals.

Derf · Feb 24, 2024

Belk said:
I see. So then in the classic trolley problem if 5 vials containing cells were on the track you would pull the switch to kill a single child? Well, that is not how I would see it but you do have a valid point, that is a third option.

I'm not sure why this bears on the conversation. Even if I made a terrible decision, it would not change whether the child and the cells are live human beings. What we're talking about is whether the cells are actually human, and if they are, which @Bradskii acknowledges, it is murder to kill them intentionally with malice, which is the definition of murder.

If for some reason I am told to either murder a 4-year-old child versus breaking some glass vials that supposedly have embryos in them, I might make a wrong decision. But so what? My decisions, good or bad, do not define human life or murder.

Derf · Feb 24, 2024

stevil said:
I do often wonder how much better society would be without Christianity.

Check out North Korea. They can tell you.

truthpls · Feb 24, 2024

BCP1928 said:
The Creed is a statement of personal belief. It is not clear how it would suggest policy proposals.

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,

Well, a policy proposal based on that might be to include Jesus in schools. It might be to teach people that God created the heavens and earth. It might also include teaching them there are spirits that are invisible as well as the natural world...etc

o_mlly · Feb 25, 2024

Bradskii said:
You asked for an answer. I have given one. I don't care if someone makes it a law or not. It's my personal opinion. ... I don't have another argument.

You do know that an opinion is not an argument, right? So, your answer from science and logic as to when does the child obtains a right to its life is, (paraphrased), "I got nothing but here's my opinion."

Moving right along, at a glacier pace, may one who is knowingly ignorant commit an act with lethal consequences? That is, may the hunter who sees the bushes move let loose with both barrels before affirming the movement was not caused by another person?

Desk trauma · Feb 25, 2024

Derf said:
Check out North Korea. They can tell you.

… or Japan.

BCP1928 · Feb 25, 2024

truthpls said:
We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,

Well, a policy proposal based on that might be to include Jesus in schools. It might be to teach people that God created the heavens and earth. It might also include teaching them there are spirits that are invisible as well as the natural world...etc.

They are perfectly free to believe that, and many do.

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