Your tradition or Paul’s tradition?

They just upgraded the meaning of Tradition to mean institutional rules, regulations, and ritual, the three R's known as religion

HopeSings said:

I obey Paul's tradition in scripture. I don't follow man's church tradition however. If the church wants to follow Paul's tradition then they should be poor and be dressed in rags like the apostles were. See 1 Corinthians chapter 4

They should have a messenger of Satan torment them like Paul did. They should be out of their own minds for God somtimes as the apostles were.

They should carry death in their bodies as the apostles did. That's tradition.

Not tradition in some of the churches but all of the churches. Note the scripture below

1 Corinthians 4:16 Therefore I urge you, imitate me. 17 For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.

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I think you're taking this too literally. Paul set himself out there as an example of one whose commitment was to Christ and to his cross. He was not advocating for Christians to have the exact same circumstances and experience that he had. He knew full well that many Christians had different gifts and that those with a higher calling would meet more difficult challenges. But we all will have challenges if we are to accomplish things for the Lord.

Paul did not advocate for poverty and martyrdom. What he did advocate for was a commitment to Christ, to put Christ ahead of the world and its lusts. We should pray and ask God for things, but we must always send our requests through the sieve of God's will, which is both His moral requirements and His direction.

HopeSings said:

Paul said that everyone who will live godly will be persecuted and we are. We do it to each other actually. Hate is murder in God's eyes. Division and contention over religion and politics is not love.

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I see that you talk about Paul a lot on threads and rarely mention Jesus is there a denomination that follows the Apostle Paul?

I was looking at the updates on campus protests and the war in Gaza a week ago and something crossed my mind as I reflected on their plight. The students were suffering for righteousness and the early church was more akin to the Palestinians than the images we hold. Their fellowship had a cost and following Christ could cost them their lives. I asked myself how many would do the same today?

That's why there's so much weakness, talking and inaction. How did a group of students do what the church should have done? That was the moment I realized it's over. We failed in the pandemic and in the latest catastrophe. We claim millions in the flock but our utility is fleeting.

I understand what you're getting at and remind myself of David. He was a man after God's own heart and I don't think belief will bring you to that point. You need something more. A searing or coalescence. Something that transmutes the old and I'm not convinced most have undergone it.

I see tares, wolves and goats and little sheep. But the ones I see are strong and girded and that brings me joy.

~bella

HopeSings said:

I obey Paul's tradition in scripture. I don't follow man's church tradition however. If the church wants to follow Paul's tradition then they should be poor and be dressed in rags like the apostles were. See 1 Corinthians chapter 4

They should have a messenger of Satan torment them like Paul did. They should be out of their own minds for God somtimes as the apostles were.

They should carry death in their bodies as the apostles did. That's tradition.

Not tradition in some of the churches but all of the churches. Note the scripture below

1 Corinthians 4:16 Therefore I urge you, imitate me. 17 For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.

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Sometimes historical background plays a role. Some of Paul's Tradition are about a congestion of both Jewish and gentile Christians. Lawfully speaking, covenants don't actually go away in terms of Law. They somehow "overlap" or "complementory" with each other. Jewish Christians can still observe the Jewish laws, while gentile Christians still follow self-conscience to act. That's why Paul allowed some Jewish custom to be practised inside the churches for the mutual respect of both groups of Christians.

HopeSings said:

I see it differently. Moses law was obeyed by the weak in faith. Paul never taught it.

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Paul even urged Timothy to circumcize, for a reason though. While removing shoes, covering head and such are for the purpose of mixing the two groups of Christians, or else the Jews may unnecessarily feel offended when coming to a church.

Hawkins said:

or else the Jews may unnecessarily feel offended when coming to a church

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Not a problem in the early 'churches; in the homes and town squares. Offense came upon later forced conversion to gentile institutional Christianity.

HopeSings said:

Paul's own words tell them that they're weak in faith

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Of course. That's how they can't actually abide by the laws. However the lawful meaning of the Jewish custom is still there. And something needed to be done for the mixing of both groups of Christians.

timothyu said:

Not a problem in the early 'churches; in the homes and town squares. Offense came upon later forced conversion to gentile institutional Christianity.

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The Jews were sometimes so offended that they plotted to kill Paul in Philippi. As long as the custom won't contradict the New Covenant, Paul allowed it such that the Jews can join churches more comfortably. Say, there's no way for the Jews to demand gentile Christianss to practise circumcision as it largely violates what the New Covenant would say. But removing shoes or covering head seemed to be ok.

HopeSings said:

I obey Paul's tradition in scripture. I don't follow man's church tradition however. If the church wants to follow Paul's tradition then they should be poor and be dressed in rags like the apostles were. See 1 Corinthians chapter 4

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Do you dress in rags? Are you poor? If so, how are you online? Have you sold all your possessions and given the proceeds to the church?

HopeSings said:

They should have a messenger of Satan torment them like Paul did. They should be out of their own minds for God somtimes as the apostles were.

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Tell us about yours - how has this messenger of Satan buffeted you? Have you been beaten? Have you been stoned? Have you been shipwrecked? Have you been thrown in prison because of preaching the Gospel?

How do you deal with the daily issues?

HopeSings said:

They should carry death in their bodies as the apostles did. That's tradition.

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Umm.... describe that please

HopeSings said:

Not tradition in some of the churches but all of the churches. Note the scripture below

1 Corinthians 4:16 Therefore I urge you, imitate me. 17 For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.

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Interesting - how exactly do you do that?

HopeSings said:

It doesn't matter what others think. I work out my own salvation as Paul said. I'm willing to listen however. Please elaborate.

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My bad I'll delete my post I turned to the wrong chapter.